Tools from the old world

[Monte]

A lot of people "in the know" buy corded/battery chainsaws but I wanted gas power so I bought an MS 170. I found out later that PPE chaps aren't rated for electric chainsaws. From what I've read, chain-stopping fibers in the chaps will stop a gas motor but the electric motors keep spinning. If I needed a pole saw, though, I would consider a battery-powered electric since it is rigidly fixed away from the operator.

I can't tell you anything about the amount of plastic other than vids I've seen show the MS has about as much plastic as the big Stihls.

The fibres should stop any chainsaw. The fibres will clog the chain so the clutch will engage. Electric saws have a clutch too, at least over here, otherwise it would be illegal to sell them in europe. Chaps are also not common over here but pants. The chain stopping ability also depends on the class of chain saw protection:
class 0 = 16m/s chain speed
class 1 = 20m/s chain speed
class 2 = 24m/s chain speed
class 3 = 28m/s chain speed
class 4 = 32m/s chain speed
But the pants (+ shoes etc.) are designed for a chain which already slows down... If you cut with full speed without releasing the trigger the pants might not protect you....Electric/cordless chain saws usually have a slower chain speed (somewhere around 4 to 20 m/s) than a gas chain saw (usually around 20 to 30 m/s).
At the end of this video is a nice slowmo where you can see how the chain clogs:

Help please [emoji14]
Does anyone know of any good quality (if it's possible European made) angle grinder stands? (230 mm)

Cheap example:
https://goo.gl/images/CJEsP6

Thank you!

These are made in Germany:
https://www.metabo.com/de/de/zubeho...rennstaender/trennstaender-230-635000000.html

https://www.zoro.de/bohrstaender-ma...F-3TvFmYXfYWDKiwpmNiHDR5fao__ncsaAhB6EALw_wcB

 

[Cynical huckster]

The wireless bodywork inspection lamp from Facom.

 

[maico]

Had a bit on luck on the chainsaw front. Found this under the stairs hidden inside a binbag. Appears to date from 1994 and in good condition.

 

[losvre]

Actually, you are right!

Just checked my Hazets, and the older ones with the triangular hard handles are marked 'Germany' but the newer 803's are not marked at all! Also, the blades appear to have a different finish!

Like yourself, I don't mind if they are made in Slovenia particularly, I just want to ensure I pay Slovenian money not German money!!

Early indications are that these are decent drivers though! But ask me in a decade and I'll know for sure!

****** hell,

Imagine I bought them at the shop, really stupid of me!

I could not Imagine Hazet would do something like this and at that price.

Anyway, I will never buy anything again from any brand if I don't have the coo confirmed, just because.

BTW, if a product says just "Germany" by law it does not have to be "made" there just processed. I may be wrong though, so Monte can confirm.

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[jessysirazvan]

The handle is definitely Made in Germany; the blade[emoji848]

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The blade is

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[Cynical huckster]

DeWalt DW882 straight grinder. Grinder is made in Italy, but I have no idea about COO of the wrench

 

[Snakevz]

These are made in Germany:
https://www.metabo.com/de/de/zubeho...rennstaender/trennstaender-230-635000000.html

https://www.zoro.de/bohrstaender-ma...F-3TvFmYXfYWDKiwpmNiHDR5fao__ncsaAhB6EALw_wcB

Thanks, Monte!

 

[losvre]

The blade is

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[Monte]

The wireless bodywork inspection lamp from Facom.

nice ! How much € ?

****** hell,

Imagine I bought them at the shop, really stupid of me!

I could not Imagine Hazet would do something like this and at that price.

Anyway, I will never buy anything again from any brand if I don't have the coo confirmed, just because.

BTW, if a product says just "Germany" by law it does not have to be "made" there just processed. I may be wrong though, so Monte can confirm.

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If a product says "Germany" but is not from Germany it is a misleading advertisement claim and illegal. E.g. "KS Tools" was sued by Hazet a while ago because they used to print "KS Tools Germany" on their tools....The "BGS Technic Germany" is also gone.....But if there is no prosecutor there is no judge.....

DeWalt DW882 straight grinder. Grinder is made in Italy, but I have no idea about COO of the wrench

Do you know if SBD has a own factory in italy or just an contractor ?

Thanks, Monte!

you are welcome

 

[Matt XYZ]

I went skiing at a small mountain in northern Bavaria today. I was surprised to see this set-up at the top and bottom of each lift. A nice assortment of PB Swiss tools for adjusting your skis and snowboards.

 

[Cynical huckster]

nice ! How much € ?

It's quite cheap. Just €229,28 excl. VAT

Do you know if SBD has a own factory in italy or just an contractor ?

I'm not sure. Some DeWalt demolition hammers and mitre saws (such as DWS780) are Italian made. Anyhow, tomorrow I meet my manager, and I will try not to forget to ask him this question.

 

[mr.lemons]

I went skiing at a small mountain in northern Bavaria today. I was surprised to see this set-up at the top and bottom of each lift. A nice assortment of PB Swiss tools for adjusting your skis and snowboards.

Shame one of the tools was not a cable cutter

 

[upgrading]

I went skiing at a small mountain in northern Bavaria today. I was surprised to see this set-up at the top and bottom of each lift. A nice assortment of PB Swiss tools for adjusting your skis and snowboards.

That is really cool.

 

[dogfight]

Old 1/2 breaker bar, Tone, Japan. ~30 years old. Lightly used.

JTC 3713 go through screw driver, Taiwan, New.

 

[dogfight]

Toptul spark plug socket, Taiwan, used:

KTC hex, Japan, used:

Tone 1/2 ratchet, Japan, ~30 years old:

Skandia phillips screw driver, Germany, used:

Fujiya plier, Japan, used:

Kanon QLK200N 1/2 torque wrench, Japan, like new: (Similar to Tohnichi QL200N4, same design, same naming convention, may be Tohnichi buys this design patent from Kanon??)

 

[losvre]

Shame one of the tools was not a cable cutter

Worst yet, didn't have his tools and cutter with him?[emoji6][emoji482]

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[Cynical huckster]

I forgot to ask my SBD manager about their Italian factories, but here is a quote from DeWalt press release:

DEWALT is a global manufacturer and distributor of power tools. We currently manufacture our tools in the U.S., Mexico, Brazil, China, Italy, the U.K. and the Czech Republic, among other locations, and our products are built with materials and components from all over the globe.

Anyway, one of my top customers regularly buys DeWalt power tools, including straight grinders.

 

[maico]

If a product says "Germany" but is not from Germany it is a misleading advertisement claim and illegal. E.g. "KS Tools" was sued by Hazet a while ago because they used to print "KS Tools Germany" on their tools....The "BGS Technic Germany" is also gone.....But if there is no prosecutor there is no judge.....

Here's an example, NOS being sold in the UK

 

[Cynical huckster]

If a product says "Germany" but is not from Germany it is a misleading advertisement claim and illegal. E.g. "KS Tools" was sued by Hazet a while ago because they used to print "KS Tools Germany" on their tools....The "BGS Technic Germany" is also gone.....But if there is no prosecutor there is no judge.....

Just remembered my correspondence with BGS Technic export manager.

To avoid any misunderstandings we would like to inform you our goods are not made in Germany. Our goods are manufactured according to our standards and requests in Taiwan, China and India.
All goods are going through our final quality check here in Germany and all goods are only shipped from our warehouse here in Germany. All goods carry only our german address, there is no "made in ..." on the goods.
Furthermore please note we will not provide certificates of origin for our goods with the invoice. We will, however, if requested, print the original country of origin and the customs code on the commercial invoice. Please check if this is sufficient for importing goods to your country.

 

[dutchgray]

I'm not sure. Some DeWalt demolition hammers and mitre saws (such as DWS780) are Italian made. Anyhow, tomorrow I meet my manager, and I will try not to forget to ask him this question.

The radial arm saws were made in Italy as well, at least the ones sold here in the 80's, also the routers that are the same as the Elu ones, I think quite a lot of Dewalt machines for the Euro market came out of Italy.

 

[Cynical huckster]

The radial arm saws were made in Italy as well, at least the ones sold here in the 80's, also the routers that are the same as the Elu ones, I think quite a lot of Dewalt machines for the Euro market came out of Italy.

Well, I can't talk about whole European market. DeWalt power tools which are sold in Ukraine, came from China, Czech Republic, Mexico (reciprocating saws) and Italy. D28710 chop saw is made in Taiwan. Some new cordless tools recently appeared on the Ukrainian market are made in USA, but it isn't the Old World.

 

[maico]

One company that pushes things is Minox. Their cheaper binoculars are made in China and say so. Things get more murky in the mid-range. Some of their binoculars are made and designed by the likes of Kamakura in Japan. Nothing wrong with that, the Japanese optical industry is excellent. It's when Minox stamp the product 'made in Germany' on the high end range things get questionable. The German input may be assembling pre-built Japanese components, specifying a design and printing the boxes.
The glass may be from Schott or Ohara Corporation Japan.

 

[Monte]

It's quite cheap. Just €229,28 excl. VAT

I wait until exact copies are available at the food store

I'm not sure. Some DeWalt demolition hammers and mitre saws (such as DWS780) are Italian made. Anyhow, tomorrow I meet my manager, and I will try not to forget to ask him this question.

Thanks

I forgot to ask my SBD manager about their Italian factories, but here is a quote from DeWalt press release:

There is a company in itlay called:
STANLEY BLACK & DECKER ITALY PRODUCTION S.R.L.
...The higher priced miter saws are made still there...

Here's an example, NOS being sold in the UK

Looks exactly like this one

Just remembered my correspondence with BGS Technic export manager.

Thanks for the excerpt !

 

[dutchgray]

Well, I can't talk about whole European market. DeWalt power tools which are sold in Ukraine, came from China, Czech Republic, Mexico (reciprocating saws) and Italy. D28710 chop saw is made in Taiwan. Some new cordless tools recently appeared on the Ukrainian market are made in USA, but it isn't the Old World.

I was mostly referring to woodworking machines Dewalt dosent even make anymore, the big stationery stuff like bandsaws, RAS, planer thicknesser, historic stuff rather than current, but they were good machines in their time.

 

[Cynical huckster]

...The higher priced miter saws are made still there...

As far as I can trust my clients, Italian made DeWalt mitre saws (such as DWS780) are among the best on the Ukrainian market. And yes, we have Festool distributors too

I was mostly referring to woodworking machines Dewalt dosent even make anymore, the big stationery stuff like bandsaws, RAS, planer thicknesser, historic stuff rather than current, but they were good machines in their time.

Well, I'll try to make a short list of Italian made DeWalt power tools available in Ukraine.

• A lot of mitre saws (including cordless such as DCS778N, DCS777T2, DCS777N).
• D23700 circular saw.
• DCS350N threaded rod cutter.
• DW876 bandsaw.
• DW721KN and DW729KN radial arm saws.
• D27300 machinery planer thicknesser.
• DW625E plunge router.
• DW882 straight grinder.
• Three or four demolition hammers, including D25981.

 

[hautpot]

so when is Monte going to a tool show ???

 

[Dave455]

Here's an example, NOS being sold in the UK

And that's illegal in the U.K. too. Report 'em to Trading Standards... if you can be bothered!

 

[maico]

Italian made Prandi hatchet, vintage line with 800 gram German style head and American hickory handle.

Prandi make a large number of hammers and axes with Italian, German, Swedish, American, Greek and French pattern axe heads. The prices are reasonable, about a third of the price of the equivalent high end Swedish stuff like Granfors Bruk.

https://www.a-prandi.it/

pdf catalogue

https://www.a-prandi.it/media/email/Prandi_Catalogue_vintage_line_axes_and_hatchet.pdf

 

[Mr. Tool]

No wrong...it's the other way around....Kanon tries to replicate the Tohnichi brand and that's a fact.

Kanon QLK200N 1/2 torque wrench, Japan, like new: (Similar to Tohnichi QL200N4, same design, same naming convention, may be Tohnichi buys this design patent from Kanon??)

 

[maico]

Comparison of Prandi and German made Ochsenkopf. Both are open dye forged with power hammers like all commercial grade axes including Granfors.
Here's an example of this process at the Swedish Hults Bruk forge which is now owned by Hultafors

and in 1946...

and in 1923 incredibly hard work

The Swedish axes are only lightly cleaned-up after forging and given a sharp hand ground cutting edge.

The Ochsenkopf universal forestry axe is made of C60 carbon steel and has been machined on all faces, even underneath. Looking at the perfect grind I think it's been done with a robot arm offering the piece up to a grinder. It's then be lacquered and given a machine cutting edge.

The Prandi falls somewhere in between. Some finishing done by hand to the C45 steel and an edge that could benefit by fettling at home.

I found the varnish on the Prandi's hickory handle to thick. Easily remedied with patience. Scrape with a sharp knife. This retains the woods grain for a better grip than sanding would. Some people then treat the wood with boiled linseed oil but I've left it natural.
The quality of the hickory on my Granfors is a noticeable higher grade with straight grain. You pays your money and takes your choice...

 

[PiotrxV]

Monte I remember that some time ago you bought Husqvarna cordless chainsaw and now you got Dolmar. Cordless one is not up to the task ? I ask because I want to buy 536Li 36V and I'm afraid technology is not there yet to be really useful.

 

[dogfight]

Thanks for the info. So which one should I buy, Tohnichi or Kanon? I found that in rakuten.co.jp, Kanon is more expensive (for a similar torque range).

No wrong...it's the other way around....Kanon tries to replicate the Tohnichi brand and that's a fact.

 

[losvre]

Hello all,

I was in a small tool fair and they had some ok offers and needed a couple of things.

The third was not needed per second however it was too good offer and I can think a few jobs in the long run and as a backup for the battery system.

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[losvre]

Jig saw which I believe you can do lots of things from cuting wood and work tops to plastic, meta and chopping trees[emoji6].

Do you know where is it made?


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[losvre]

The second item I also needed as don't have one. Proper pics when it arrives as it was sold out at the fair.

Photo courtesy of Metabo




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[losvre]

The SDS plus quick with extra chuck for normal bits full alu/mag housing and low to high variable rpm and safety clutch and and .....

I think it was cheap I doubt how good would be, we will see.

Made in...

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[losvre]

Accessories added for free Made in..

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[maico]

The SDS plus quick with extra chuck for normal bits full alu/mag housing and low to high variable rpm and safety clutch and and .....

I think it was cheap I doubt how good would be, we will see.

Made in...

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles !

 

[marcone]

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles !

That's the preceeding model, UHE2850, although I don't think they changed COO.
I have a UHE2650 for domestic use and it has served me well, bought it 5 years ago after being abused professionally for 2 years. Versatile little machine, equivalent to Bosch DFV 2-28.

 

[maico]

From the German national anthem: Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit; Für das Deutsche Vaterland! (Unity and justice and freedom; for the German Fatherland!)

Woollen sock and garden tool experten Monte is usually the man to answer these questions, but he seem to have gone AWOL...

A search on google images usually reveals the clues...