Tools from the old world

[bmwpowere36m3]

How about this ?

Stumbled on these from Wera (from Zyklops line).... ordered a 1/4" adapter (8784 A1) to try out.

They also have 3/8" and 1/2" adapters.

 

[dogfight]

I believe it can withstand at least -20 Celsious degree temperature in northern Russia. The rubber ring is still working well after 30 years.

That's a tough looking can presumably designed for cold weather use ?

It's based on the much copied German WW2 design but without the thin steel.

 

[anetode]

I believe it can withstand at least -20 Celsious degree temperature in northern Russia. The rubber ring is still working well after 30 years.

In Russia, even the drunks can handle at least double that temp.

 

[losvre]

Are those compressors made in China Monte ?
I've been looking for one that size which isn't...

Monte and China do not go well together[emoji6][emoji848]

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[Mr MoAiZo]

Gedore is launching a new product line - Gedore red.
Seems like Carolus will be rebranded.

https://de.gedore.com/en/company/gedore/gedore-ranges/

 

[maico]

Monte and China do not go well together[emoji6][emoji848]

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A bit of googling reveals...http://otzovik.com/review_1469405.html

 

[Cynical huckster]

Just few pics from today's exhibition.

Bosch.



Metabo.



Makita.



Maruyama chainsaws. Made in Japan.

 

[JBH]

Does anyone know the OEM of this Würth ratchet, or the cost from Würth?

https://eshop.wuerth-industrie.com/...CH-JNTHD-1-4IN-145MM/071201405.sku/en/US/EUR/

 

[anetode]

Does anyone know the OEM of this Würth ratchet, or the cost from Würth?

https://eshop.wuerth-industrie.com/...CH-JNTHD-1-4IN-145MM/071201405.sku/en/US/EUR/

Another version of this is the VIM RLR4, you can find it on Amazon and eBay.

I have the Tone version of this ratchet with a non-turning metal handle in my portable kit.

edit: VIM RLR4, not RST4

 

[JBH]

Thanks! It looks like VIM also offers a variant of the Würth as well at probably a fraction of the cost, albeit unfortunately in a shiny chrome finish. I strongly prefer matte finishes on tools.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EOX6LZW/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[decaf]

Got a hammer from Bauhaus today, Simplex 40 from Halder.
Great quality!!

 

[bonneyman]

Have you tried drilling into that Wiha handle to get more shaft length adjustment? One of the KC Tools reviews mentions doing so, but I've not gotten around it to it on mine.

No I have not. Considering making a 1/4" magnetic bit holder shaft for this handle, but might just sell the thing instead to a Wiha fan.

 

[JBH]

I recently bought these Knipex snips from amazon.de (not a third party on amazon), model 95 05 190. Amazon shipped them in bubble wrap pouch.

I was surprised that they didn't have "Made in Germany" stamped on them, or any other COO stamp. Most Knipex products have "Made in Germany" prominently stamped on them.

I assumed when I ordered them that Knipex didn't make them, as "surgical steel" is not their core competency. But I thought they sourced them from another German company, perhaps Wezag based on the "hips" on the handles. (Like the Panduit-branded crimper partially pictured below.) I know German companies make stainless snips, such as for example this coax cutter (also works great for speaker wire up to 12/4!) I bought as part of a BNC crimping kit from eBay branded "Trompeter," pictured with the Knipex-branded snips and above-mentioned Panduit-branded Wezag crimp tool.

(Cutter seems to be current production, and available here: https://www.markertek.com/product/trp-700-0024/trompeter-coaxial-cutting-tool - highly recommended if you cut a lot of speaker cable, balanced line cable, coax, network cable, etc. For me they've supplanted the scissors below for such cutting tasks.)

This cutter is clearly marked "Germany," and "Rostfrei" (stainless) on the reverse (not pictures).

So I did some research. Zoro and KC Tool say the Knipex 95 05 190 are made in Italy; Crawford Tool does claim Germany.

I also took a second look at some Knipex scissors I bought from Chad's Toolbox a while ago. No COO on these either.

Zoro claims Italy for these, too; KC Tool is silent as to COO. Does anyone know who makes these for Knipex?

 

[Brunel]

JBH, the pictures are of a pair of snips that I inherited from my late father. They came from his work and I'd reckon they are 30-35 years old. I think I once had a smaller pair of the same style (which a heavy-handed friend broke) and I might have some cutters like yours somewhere.

One side is stamped "Rostfrei" and what appears to be "Solingen". The other side says "W. Germany". The handles are slightly different, as is the pivot bolt, but I am sure they are the same basic tool as yours.

I have seen this style of snips in other catalogues and have often wondered who the OEM is. Or perhaps they have been copied many times.

 

[Brunel]

A quick bit of googling suggests they are made by Winkelgreif.

See http://www.metapol.com.au/winkelgreif.html

This post on GJ suggests they are now part of Kukko / Turnus

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3935934&postcount=18959

And I found them on the Kukko website, Turnus part number 193-990, but with Winkelgreif printed on them.

http://www.kukko.com/en/catalog-product-turnus/4215/993-190-universal/multi-purpose-shears

EDIT: the image facility appears to be unable to display PNG files - you'll have to click the above link for a nice big picture. I can't find the cutters anywhere on the Kukko website. Perhaps they are only made for other companies.

 

[Brunel]

Draper part number 480 looks like the same thing:

https://www.drapertools.com/product/12389/190mm-Universal-Snips

As does Avit (CK) AV06040

http://www.avit-tools.com/Products/Hand_Tools/Sawing___Cutting/

 

[JBH]

Interesting. I wonder if they made my “Trompeter” cable snips too.

I strongly suspect that my snips are not made in Germany, because if so they would be marked as such. Maybe US market models have a COO stamped. Mine are direct German imports.

 

[Brunel]

I strongly suspect that my snips are not made in Germany, because if so they would be marked as such. Maybe US market models have a COO stamped. Mine are direct German imports.

Check out this page on Farnell. Same Knipex part number, different style handles, blade says "Germany" on it.

http://uk.farnell.com/knipex/9505190/snip-multi-purpose-190mm/dp/3814026

 

[anetode]

I also took a second look at some Knipex scissors I bought from Chad's Toolbox a while ago. No COO on these either.

Zoro claims Italy for these, too; KC Tool is silent as to COO. Does anyone know who makes these for Knipex?

Italy http://www.intercable.com/it/Electrical/Prodotti/Utensili-a-mano/Forbici-per-elettricisti

 

[Brunel]

Italy http://www.intercable.com/it/Electrical/Prodotti/Utensili-a-mano/Forbici-per-elettricisti

Interesting. These cutters from Intercable are the same as Knipex ones:

http://www.intercable.com/en/Electrical/Products/Hand-tools/Insulated-Cutting-Tools/Cable-Cutters

I have the smaller version (Knipex 95 16 165) and it says "made in germany" on a handle, but not on the metal, which is just laser engraved "Knipex" in a generic font. And the bolted pivot is very unlike Knipex.

I wonder if Knipex buys the bare tool from Intercable and fits its own handles, which is sufficient to allow them to be described as german. I think the law says something like "the last significant manufacturing operation" determines the COO.

 

[anetode]

I wonder if Knipex buys the bare tool from Intercable and fits its own handles, which is sufficient to allow them to be described as german. I think the law says something like "the last significant manufacturing operation" determines the COO.

Well, Intercable has a German branch, likely made in Italy but sold by http://elektro.intercable.de/en/

 

[Brunel]

Here's something interesting. On the small version, the jaws and bolt head are slightly different between Knipex and Intercable:

But on the large version, they are identical:

 

[anetode]

If Intercable sources any of their pliers from Knipex, it's likely that they're doing it through Knipex's Orbis/Will "Private Label" service. If so, then it looks like they're adding their own injection-molded handles. But I doubt that that's the case, as I'd expect a "Made in Germany" to be a prominent part of the design, given the price premium it commands.

My bet is that there's not much overlap outside of Knipex using their popular series of electrician's scissors.

 

[Brunel]

The Intercable plastic pliers look very similar to the Knipex ones. I suspect they're made in the same factory - but whose?

http://www.intercable.com/en/Electrical/Products/Hand-tools/Insulated-Plier-s/ISOplus

http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1324&groupID=1791

http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1324&groupID=1792

 

[maico]

Solingen is the place in Germany numerous companies making scissors have traditionally been based.
I've got a pre-war pair from my Grandparents which just say Solingen Germany.

I just got a new pair of Swiss Victorinox kitchen scissors which surprisingly are German made

 

[TjoFrasse]

Hello everyone that remembers me, and the ones that don't

I have been gone for a couple of years. I didn't quit using or buying tools, I just lost the time and energy to post here about it. I have continued to read the thread when I have found time though.

About six months ago I found some energy and then I started an Instagram account for my tools. Follow https://www.instagram.com/handtools/ if interested, I post regularly with mostly old world tool content.

But, as often said this thread is about pictures, so here are some:
A collection of old sockets:

A really nice find I did, some hardly used older Bahco pliers.

Bahco side cutters of different vintages.

Bahco water pump pliers of different vintages.

Knipex.

Older series Bahco water pump pliers, full range.

 

[JBH]

Italy http://www.intercable.com/it/Electrical/Prodotti/Utensili-a-mano/Forbici-per-elettricisti

Does Knipex own this company?

 

[beelsr]

Does Knipex own this company?

No. But they bought Weitkowitz a while back...

http://www.intercable.com/en/The-Company/History

 

[Monte]

In 1979 Bessey bought the Diener tool factory (Erdi shears) located in Esslingen and Solingen. At the time when the "Solingen"/"Germany" disappeared from the Erdi scíssors pictured below the coo also disappeared from other brands...

Speaking of Japanese power tools, Makita is really strong. Spare parts are affordable and inexpensive, there are a lot of service centers. But we have a completely different situation with Hitachi. A lot of spare parts are unavailable, sometimes you have to wait for a couple of months. Moreover, their service is terrible. I'm talking about Ukraine now, but in Russia they have a very similar situation.

Same here. There are many stores who sells Makita, but very few who sell Hitachi and offline it´s even worse since there is only 1 big box store chain who sells Hitachi...

What do others think? Am I on the right lines? Should I sell my 12-odd Bosch tools and buy Makita?

nope In case of 12 volt tools i think Bosch is better than Makita...In case of 18 volt tools i don´t know

Are those compressors made in China Monte ?
I've been looking for one that size which isn't...

Made in PRC
I was looking for a small 24 ltr. compressor but it seems the italians doesn´t make them anymore. Only 50 ltr and bigger. And i was to greedy for a german one from Kaeser....
Or maybe i didn´t look hard enough....Abac, Fima, Fiac, Fini, Nuair etc. ...too many choices As a reference for coo i looked here:
https://www.agrieuro.co.uk/air-compressors-c-110.html
(look at the compressors with an italian flag)

The compressor needed to fit under here:

Stumbled on these from Wera (from Zyklops line).... ordered a 1/4" adapter (8784 A1) to try out.

They also have 3/8" and 1/2" adapters.

that one looks even better !

Monte and China do not go well together[emoji6][emoji848]

sometimes yes (after i look into my purse )

Gedore is launching a new product line - Gedore red.
Seems like Carolus will be rebranded.

https://de.gedore.com/en/company/gedore/gedore-ranges/

noooo ....name misuse ....Where are the United Nations when you need them...

Just few pics from today's exhibition.

thanks for the pics !!

I recently bought these Knipex snips from amazon.de (not a third party on amazon), model 95 05 190. Amazon shipped them in bubble wrap pouch.

Most likely made in Italy by Betakut
http://www.betakut.it/cataloghi/casa.pdf
(last page)

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B00JMHQ8QC/

The Intercable plastic pliers look very similar to the Knipex ones. I suspect they're made in the same factory - but whose?

Maybe made by Isotools
https://isotools.de/en/solid-plastic-pliers

Hello everyone that remembers me, and the ones that don't

Welcome back
nice pics on your instagram page !















Helly Hansen fur work jacket for cold days:

 

[upgrading]

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[north]

Hello everyone that remembers me, and the ones that don't

I have been gone for a couple of years. I didn't quit using or buying tools, I just lost the time and energy to post here about it. I have continued to read the thread when I have found time though.

About six months ago I found some energy and then I started an Instagram account for my tools. Follow https://www.instagram.com/handtools/ if interested, I post regularly with mostly old world tool content.

*snip*

Yeah, there's something about your name. Can't quite figure it out though...

Nice to hear that you are up and running.

Love your pics both here and over at Instagram. Gonna keep an eye out over there.

In honor of your cool pics I'm gonna do the unthinkable and root for Sweden in the World Cup. (Except if you play against Brazil of course.) But don't tell anyone. The shame...

 

[PureLeaf]

Here's something interesting. On the small version, the jaws and bolt head are slightly different between Knipex and Intercable:

But on the large version, they are identical:

At work, I have the Gedore and Knipex version of the large cable cutters. They're identical to each other. I assume same COO on them. They're described as being Germany...

The Gedore ones even had a picture with blue handles, but when I bought them and they arrived, it was actually the red knipex handles.

 

[losvre]

"Consumable Products are warranted, at the time of sale, only against defects in workmanship or materials that prevent their use. Consumable products are goods reasonably expected to be used up or damaged during use, including but not limited to drill bits, saw blades, grinding discs, sanding discs, knife blades, files, O2 sensors and batteries. This warranty only extends to the original Customer and cannot be transferred or assigned."

https://www1.snapon.com/industrial/utility/Warranty.nws?docid=40991&


i think the heads are now drop forged and not made out of metal powder anymore like the old ones from the website/video











Bosch L-Boxx


Bosch GAS 10,8V-LI 10,8 volt vacuum

Hi Monte,

Is this Bosch vac adequate for the kitchen and the car cleaning with regards to suction? Runtime I don't mind that much.

Thanks

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[JBH]

Most likely made in Italy by Betakut
http://www.betakut.it/cataloghi/casa.pdf
(last page)

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B00JMHQ8QC/

Thanks, Monte. That looks like a match to me. Do you know anything about Betakut's reputation generally?

It appears there's definitely some Knipex brand premium. On amazon.it the Betakut 899/5,5 is 15,21 EUR and the Knipex 95 05 190 is ~9 EUR more on amazon.it. That said, they were cheaper than I could've gotten them here by quite a bit. Betakut does not seem to be available in the US, from a quick search.

 

[Cynical huckster]

thanks for the pics !!

You're welcome! A little bit of Toptul from our store.

 

[plumber84]

Hello everyone that remembers me, and the ones that don't

I have been gone for a couple of years. I didn't quit using or buying tools, I just lost the time and energy to post here about it. I have continued to read the thread when I have found time though.

About six months ago I found some energy and then I started an Instagram account for my tools. Follow https://www.instagram.com/handtools/ if interested, I post regularly with mostly old world tool content.

But, as often said this thread is about pictures, so here are some:
A collection of old sockets:

A really nice find I did, some hardly used older Bahco pliers.

Bahco side cutters of different vintages.

Bahco water pump pliers of different vintages.

Knipex.

Older series Bahco water pump pliers, full range.

Really nice collection Your instagram page is cool

 

[mr.lemons]

Very close to buying a facom 440 or Stahlwille 13/9 metric spanner set but was checking out other brands on Amazon and came across 'Heyco' which I hadn't heard of before. Seems like they mostly provide tool kits for German cars.

Not sure if they are just using old images but their 'new tools' sold by Heyco are marked 'West Germany.' Somebody needs to tell them about the wall.

 

[Monte]

Speaking of Bessey, look at this disgrace I just got.

Hi Monte,

Is this Bosch vac adequate for the kitchen and the car cleaning with regards to suction? Runtime I don't mind that much.

Thanks

For the kitchen maybe, for the car for limited use (loose dirt in the trunk etc.). It won´t **** up much and you also won´t be able to get the carpet really clean. It depends how "clean" is "clean" for you though
At the car wash where i worked a while ago we had larger Kärcher and Nilfisk units, some of them with 2 motors....

Thanks, Monte. That looks like a match to me. Do you know anything about Betakut's reputation generally?

It appears there's definitely some Knipex brand premium. On amazon.it the Betakut 899/5,5 is 15,21 EUR and the Knipex 95 05 190 is ~9 EUR more on amazon.it. That said, they were cheaper than I could've gotten them here by quite a bit. Betakut does not seem to be available in the US, from a quick search.

Depends on where you look:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B004LY3RI8/

https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_fro...0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=Knipex+95+05+190&_sacat=0

The first time i saw Betakut was at a tool exhibition. I never saw or heard of this brand over here before....Reputation is usually also connected with the brand name and if nobody knows the brand the image might be not so good.

You're welcome! A little bit of Toptul from our store.

nice selection !

Not sure if they are just using old images but their 'new tools' sold by Heyco are marked 'West Germany.' Somebody needs to tell them about the wall.

Or they want to offer historically correct tools for owners of cars pre-1990














News from Stahlwille:
electronics screwdrivers:

News from Matador:

http://www.matador-webseite.de/images/articles-matador/pdf-dateien/MATADOR_HIT_2017_DE_Zangen.pdf

News from Orbis:
http://www.orbiswill.de/fileadmin/orbiswill/pdf/Neuheiten_2018_Final_LR.pdf

NWS: new screwdrivers:
https://shop.nws-tools.de/en/innovations/screwdriver-for-slotted-screws-vde.html
https://shop.nws-tools.de/en/innovations/screwdriver-for-slotted-screws.html

Wera news:
https://www-de.wera.de/fileadmin/user_upload/elkat/2018/spring-2018/de/index.html#1

Wezag:
http://www.wezag.de/images/pdf/Flyer_Cable_BST_12022016_DE+UK_100dpi_s.pdf

Rennsteig:

Other news: Picard belongs to Halder now and it seems that Sora and Ideal (Germany) now belong to Bondhus...

 

[Rocklim]

Has anyone sent their Hazet tool for warranty, especially in the states? Sad to say that teeth on my 10mm ratcheting combination wrench is broken.

 

[upgrading]

Matador looks cool.
Is COO known ?