theamcguy
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Are they available in a set? If so is there a number? TIA
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Are they available in a set? If so is there a number? TIA
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It's kind of confusing.
The grip material of the Non-Slip series is listed as ABS at Amazon Japan. The non-slip feature appears to be some kind of special surface texturing. (I actually have several of these drivers, and they definitely feel like hard plastic to me. They kind of ring slightly if you tap them with your fingernail. The non-slip panels have a molded-in rough finish, but they also seem to have a gritty white material embedded in the tiny dimples.)
The textured panels of my Megadora drivers are clearly just a molded-in cross-hatch pattern. The plastic also feels denser and heavier, but with a very slightly spongy feeling, kind of like really hard rubber.
The Woody Series is described as a wood-plastic composite in which chopped-up wood fibers are mixed into the plastic. The grips are not an actual hunk of wood. It seems to me that the advantage would be that the entire grip is non-slip, not just alternating panels. (I've never handled these.)
No matter what the details of the materials may be, I'd still be interested to know if anyone has had a chance to compare the Non-Slip and Woody drivers after slathering the grips in motor oil as shown in the ads.
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Reed Prince
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My guess it that Vessel is continuing to offer the B-370 non-slip tang-thru drivers because the wood-compo drivers are not as good at absorbing impact.
Naah, it's just that Vessel is on a relentless crusade to make every type of screwdriver imaginable.
How do you like those bent-nose locking pliers? I've noticed they don't have the best reviews, and they seem less substantial than all of the non-bent-nose locking pliers by Knipex.
Sorry more wooden screwdrivers.
Received the SKG set from Amazon. Compared to the Wiha set they are half the price at £11 and offer thru tang and hex on all sizes so there are no empty holes in the handles. The handles are a slightly different shape and there is an addition of a red leather (or leather like material) above the hex part, possibly to prevent rattling. All shanks are polished.
No COO on the drivers or the box.
Thought for the price I would not be fussy and just use them but the shank on the PZ2 (the main reason for buying the set) is off centre from the handle by quite a bit.
Also wondering where Monte has gone
Edit. I also purchased a PZ2 branded SAM (SAM Outillage) as it was the cheapest sold in singles at £5.32. Different tip/shank than both Wiha and SKG. Same handle as SKG. This one has no obvious flaws and is a keeper. Note that the branding came off with a light wire wooling so the writing was on top of the varnish unlike Felo.
Received the SKG set from Amazon. Compared to the Wiha set they are half the price at £11 and offer thru tang and hex on all sizes so there are no empty holes in the handles. The handles are a slightly different shape and there is an addition of a red leather (or leather like material) above the hex part, possibly to prevent rattling. All shanks are polished.
No COO on the drivers or the box.
Thought for the price I would not be fussy and just use them but the shank on the PZ2 (the main reason for buying the set) is off centre from the handle by quite a bit.
Also wondering where Monte has gone
Edit. I also purchased a PZ2 branded SAM (SAM Outillage) as it was the cheapest sold in singles at £5.32. Different tip/shank than both Wiha and SKG. Same handle as SKG. This one has no obvious flaws and is a keeper. Note that the branding came off with a light wire wooling so the writing was on top of the varnish unlike Felo.
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dede2897234
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Hi mrspeed,
I haven't had a chance to use the Knipex 41 44 200 pliers. However, when I briefly handled them, they felt as substantial construction-wise as my Grip-on 127B-12 (LINK). I have used the Grip-on pliers to get myself out of a few sticky situations.
Can you please provide a link(s) to the negative reviews for the Knipex pliers? I would like to read them.
Thanks,
Dave
Alava
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Sorry more wooden screwdrivers.
Received the SKG set from Amazon. Compared to the Wiha set they are half the price at £11 and offer thru tang and hex on all sizes so there are no empty holes in the handles. The handles are a slightly different shape and there is an addition of a red leather (or leather like material) above the hex part, possibly to prevent rattling. All shanks are polished.
No COO on the drivers or the box.
Thought for the price I would not be fussy and just use them but the shank on the PZ2 (the main reason for buying the set) is off centre from the handle by quite a bit.
Also wondering where Monte has gone
Edit. I also purchased a PZ2 branded SAM (SAM Outillage) as it was the cheapest sold in singles at £5.32. Different tip/shank than both Wiha and SKG. Same handle as SKG. This one has no obvious flaws and is a keeper. Note that the branding came off with a light wire wooling so the writing was on top of the varnish unlike Felo.
Nice screwdrivers for the price!
Some new locking pliers from Elora. Had good deal from amazon. 5 pieces total 43. Parallel jaws grip pliers and basic grip pliers marked made in germany. Other ones no coo marked(grip-on style lockable adjustment) I dont know the manifacturer.
Made in germany ones slighty better quality overall, teeths slighty sharper, jaws better aligned.
Made in germany ones slighty better quality overall, teeths slighty sharper, jaws better aligned.
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More locking pliers from germany. knipex needle nose locking pliers and welding pliers and stahlwille basic ones. 60€ in total from amazon.de. Welding pliers are quite heavy and more fough finish. I’m used to old vise-grips release and the german ones has it the opposite direction so there is some getting used to it...it is easier to use but you could hit it open by accident...
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Some more new stuff 
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Elora spark plugg pliers only 6
Wiha 26one. 13 double ended bits. Bit sits tight, no slop. Handle is quite big which is nice.
Gedore circlip pliers to replace my older hazet ones. I was going to get the knipex ones but since I dont have gedore pliers decided to go with these. The quality is real nice, tips are nice and the pliers are light weight.
Elora 3/8 torx sockets, gedore 3/8 7mm long socket. Gedore one is nice quality, good knurling on the end. Elora sockets not as good in finish if you compare with stahlwille or hazet etc. The torx tips looks good but the socket part has a hole and no ball groove which Im not too happy...wouldnt propably bought these ones but the the price was 2-2,5 a piece so I just couldnt help myself
.Elora spark plugg pliers only 6
Wiha 26one. 13 double ended bits. Bit sits tight, no slop. Handle is quite big which is nice.
Gedore circlip pliers to replace my older hazet ones. I was going to get the knipex ones but since I dont have gedore pliers decided to go with these. The quality is real nice, tips are nice and the pliers are light weight.
Elora 3/8 torx sockets, gedore 3/8 7mm long socket. Gedore one is nice quality, good knurling on the end. Elora sockets not as good in finish if you compare with stahlwille or hazet etc. The torx tips looks good but the socket part has a hole and no ball groove which Im not too happy...wouldnt propably bought these ones but the the price was 2-2,5 a piece so I just couldnt help myself
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Nice screwdrivers for the price!
Looks like a waste of a perfectly good tree to me.
Some files which I think is the best quality somwone can get. The Vilala from Finland feel the sharpest I have ever seen.
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Reed Prince
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I was watching a video tonight where someone was reviewing a µAmp current source, and during disassembly they used a precision screwdriver I was unfamiliar with. Turns out it was by Unior. Searched Unior here and saw they are occasionally mentioned, with people having differing opinions on their quality.
Seems like here in the US they are mostly known for their bike tools, and these seem to be well regarded. Found a video where a bike shop owner does a quick overview of his collection. Not being very familiar with bicycle tools, I found it quite interesting. Perhaps someone else here will as well.
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Seems like here in the US they are mostly known for their bike tools, and these seem to be well regarded. Found a video where a bike shop owner does a quick overview of his collection. Not being very familiar with bicycle tools, I found it quite interesting. Perhaps someone else here will as well.
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Qualitytools
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Thanks for sharing, I too found it very interesting!
Dave455
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Facom used to produce a wrench called the ‘Nervus’ (I think) that was formed from hexagonal stock. These were quite nice.
As far as I can see, these are a cheaper version (introduced since Facom were bought out by Stanley?) made from tubular steel, I would suspect not as good, since that’s the Stanley way!
Probably O.K. but be careful on price! Here in the U.K. I can get the Facom 75 OGV angled head wrenches, which are made from solid steel and are pro grade tools, for £35 a set. The 92’s would have to be a lot cheaper to justify buying them, and indications are that they aren’t!
Incidentally - the 75’s, although not a common pattern of tool in the U.S (or U.K. for that matter) are actually very nice to use! If you have a set of 12 point combination wrenches, a set of these in 6 point makes a great addition!
As far as I can see, these are a cheaper version (introduced since Facom were bought out by Stanley?) made from tubular steel, I would suspect not as good, since that’s the Stanley way!
Probably O.K. but be careful on price! Here in the U.K. I can get the Facom 75 OGV angled head wrenches, which are made from solid steel and are pro grade tools, for £35 a set. The 92’s would have to be a lot cheaper to justify buying them, and indications are that they aren’t!
Incidentally - the 75’s, although not a common pattern of tool in the U.S (or U.K. for that matter) are actually very nice to use! If you have a set of 12 point combination wrenches, a set of these in 6 point makes a great addition!
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These would be purchased in Spain and brought across in the months ahead. If I were to ask the fine folks I know there.
First, what would be a good price point (in Euros) to consider them a decent buy? I have Asain L socket wrenches and some shop made atrocities to complete range and frankly I rather like them. But as a curiousity I would like the economy versions for a bike kit already pretty heavy in pressed steel. After weeding out the duds it has proven quite useful. My POS bike has a hard life and breaks a lot.
First, what would be a good price point (in Euros) to consider them a decent buy? I have Asain L socket wrenches and some shop made atrocities to complete range and frankly I rather like them. But as a curiousity I would like the economy versions for a bike kit already pretty heavy in pressed steel. After weeding out the duds it has proven quite useful. My POS bike has a hard life and breaks a lot.
davethorik
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Picked up several Hazet 600N combination wrenches on a closeout sale last summer, including some larger sizes up to 32mm. They are excellent for my work on larger trucks, construction and earth moving equipment. Strong points are; perfect length for leverage/access, comfortable beam for pulling hard, and very respectable open end. They just smile when I bring the long cheater pipe or link them or use the BFH on them.
I added a full set from 8-24mm recently. I am a Stahlwille fan and I recognize the fantastic price/quality ratio on some Taiwan wrenches like Toptul, I believe I have used most if not all the major Euro brand wrenches - and for my work 600N takes the crown so far.
I added a full set from 8-24mm recently. I am a Stahlwille fan and I recognize the fantastic price/quality ratio on some Taiwan wrenches like Toptul, I believe I have used most if not all the major Euro brand wrenches - and for my work 600N takes the crown so far.
Qualitytools
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I would like a set of the Facom 76 as they have both the 6 point on one end and the 12 on the other but to buy them here in the US they are so expensive!
davethorik
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Finally got these today from KC tool co, super stoked!! Not easy to get a hold of in the US, unlike the Irwin Nws Ergo Multi (needle nose) which I have and love. They were $40.03 which was best price I've seen.
Here are some more pics...pardon poor lighting, I was excited
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I have the 75 series set, i don't think they sell that well hence being quite cheap to buy;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FACOM-TO...258089?hash=item2a43088469:g:arQAAOSwhqhaCsK4
They work great for stuff like brake bleeders, however for the majority of other stuff i just use a standard spanner.
They also work well as a kind of poor mans impact, by placing the curved end over the fastener and hitting the longer end with a hammer to get stuff loose when you can fit an impact in.
My Truper are Facom 76 copies. I have six and missed my window to get the full set. I really like them.
So old VW torsion spring and random brand sockets were zapped up into the missing sizes. They work great.
They are as ugly as the backside of a dog too.
But function and repeatability are great so I can make more every week as need be. Cheaper by half which makes the ugly forgiven.
Any idea of what the current going price in Euros on the 92 series is in Europe? What you guys see in the stores?
So old VW torsion spring and random brand sockets were zapped up into the missing sizes. They work great.
They are as ugly as the backside of a dog too.
But function and repeatability are great so I can make more every week as need be. Cheaper by half which makes the ugly forgiven.
Any idea of what the current going price in Euros on the 92 series is in Europe? What you guys see in the stores?
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Really happy with these new Heyco wrenches. Well, new to me. Judging by the "W-Germany" on many of them, I'd say these have been sitting in the warehouse for awhile. New-really-old-stock.
They're really nice and thin, though if I'm being honest, the handle finish is a little more textured than I'd prefer. Then again, probably for the better to reduce slip when they get greasy. Not complaining, love em and got a great deal.
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They're really nice and thin, though if I'm being honest, the handle finish is a little more textured than I'd prefer. Then again, probably for the better to reduce slip when they get greasy. Not complaining, love em and got a great deal.
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Finally got these today from KC tool co, super stoked!! Not easy to get a hold of in the US, unlike the Irwin Nws Ergo Multi (needle nose) which I have and love. They were $40.03 which was best price I've seen.
Good price for a great tool!
If you paid about what I think you did...no kidding!
Also decided to see what all the fuss was about with Irega adjustable wrenches, so grabbed a couple, a 10" and 12". They happen to have VDE handles. Can't imagine I'll ever need that on an adjustable wrench, but it's what I found on sale, and I guess you never know.
Obviously they feel nice and seem well made, but with how much everyone talks them up, I was expecting less play in the jaw. They're nicer than the made-in-China Crescent wrenches I have, but I guess with the design of an adjustable wrench, there's only so nice they can be. The Crescent 12" has 1/16" movement in the jaw (the scales on the jaw make it easy to measure), and the Irega is only about a third less, just under 1/16".
I will say though that the thumb wheel movement is much smoother on the Irega. The Crescent makes an audible metal-on-metal scraping sound while the Irega does not. Also, the thumb screw in the Irega is held in by a pin that looks like it can be removed with a small flathead screwdriver, making it serviceable. Meanwhile the Crescent thumb screw pin does not appear to be removable unless I'm missing something.
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Obviously they feel nice and seem well made, but with how much everyone talks them up, I was expecting less play in the jaw. They're nicer than the made-in-China Crescent wrenches I have, but I guess with the design of an adjustable wrench, there's only so nice they can be. The Crescent 12" has 1/16" movement in the jaw (the scales on the jaw make it easy to measure), and the Irega is only about a third less, just under 1/16".
I will say though that the thumb wheel movement is much smoother on the Irega. The Crescent makes an audible metal-on-metal scraping sound while the Irega does not. Also, the thumb screw in the Irega is held in by a pin that looks like it can be removed with a small flathead screwdriver, making it serviceable. Meanwhile the Crescent thumb screw pin does not appear to be removable unless I'm missing something.
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Reed Prince
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At least a couple of people who claimed to be familiar with current Spanish and Japanese wrenches have stated a preference for the ones manufactured by TOP.
Those look nice. I have an insulated bahco...Also decided to see what all the fuss was about with Irega adjustable wrenches, so grabbed a couple, a 10" and 12". They happen to have VDE handles. Can't imagine I'll ever need that on an adjustable wrench, but it's what I found on sale, and I guess you never know.
Obviously they feel nice and seem well made, but with how much everyone talks them up, I was expecting less play in the jaw. They're nicer than the made-in-China Crescent wrenches I have, but I guess with the design of an adjustable wrench, there's only so nice they can be. The Crescent 12" has 1/16" movement in the jaw (the scales on the jaw make it easy to measure), and the Irega is only about a third less, just under 1/16".
I will say though that the thumb wheel movement is much smoother on the Irega. The Crescent makes an audible metal-on-metal scraping sound while the Irega does not. Also, the thumb screw in the Irega is held in by a pin that looks like it can be removed with a small flathead screwdriver, making it serviceable. Meanwhile the Crescent thumb screw pin does not appear to be removable unless I'm missing something.
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I think the non touch voltage screwdriver does the same job as the one postee; am I right?
What makes a screwdriver ESD? I am not sure if these are but after 15 years and used them on countless laptops I never had an issue.
Hey Losvre,
It wasn't a criticism at all, merely passing on information
The touch type voltage testers are fine for testing voltage upon contacts or bare wire. Problem being you are reliant upon a little light to confirm this.
The non contact type are better in that they can help you identify any live AC voltage "nearby" so you can press against wire insulation for example. In addition to this most models nowadays use both a bright light and a buzzing sound so that there is no ambiguity upon testing.
ESD screwdrivers (and most other ESD tools really) rely upon a specific material type for the handles to prevent Electro Static Discharge onto the work piece. Basically the handle material(s) are static dissipative so that no charge builds up on the tool (which could then transferred to the work piece).
Tools should be marked with this logo:
IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTE FOR ANY READERS - ESD tools should not be used with live electrical items (particularly high voltage) since their dissipative nature means that the tools form an electrical path back to the person holding it!
When working with live electrical items (particularly high voltage) you want to ensure you use VDE tools, with this type of logo:
Just clarifying that in case anyone less experienced or just starting out may get confused
For ESD tools, the best use of them is as part of a wider scheme to reduce ESD, such as dedicated work areas with ESD mats, ESD connections back to earth, correct clothing worn by the user (e.g. don't wear wool garments) specific packaging, environmental conditions, etc.
If you've never experienced a problem then you may just have good technique and work skills.
To be honest, personal computers aren't too much hassle really.
I've used ESD tools in dedicated work areas when professionally working with high end cameras and medical devices so the setting up and operation of an ESD zone was a risk mitigation step well worth taking.
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Replacement tool required after I had to "get medieval" whilst working up a ladder and was in need of a chisel...
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I wasn't happy with the state of the tool afterwards so it's been replaced.
Nice comparison between approx. 6 years old and new.
Impressed with how the tip has held up to be honest.
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I wasn't happy with the state of the tool afterwards so it's been replaced.
Nice comparison between approx. 6 years old and new.
Impressed with how the tip has held up to be honest.
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Hey Losvre,
It wasn't a criticism at all, merely passing on information [emoji481]
The touch type voltage testers are fine for testing voltage upon contacts or bare wire. Problem being you are reliant upon a little light to confirm this.
The non contact type are better in that they can help you identify any live AC voltage "nearby" so you can press against wire insulation for example. In addition to this most models nowadays use both a bright light and a buzzing sound so that there is no ambiguity upon testing.
ESD screwdrivers (and most other ESD tools really) rely upon a specific material type for the handles to prevent Electro Static Discharge onto the work piece. Basically the handle material(s) are static dissipative so that no charge builds up on the tool (which could then transferred to the work piece).
Tools should be marked with this logo:
IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTE FOR ANY READERS - ESD tools should not be used with live electrical items (particularly high voltage) since their dissipative nature means that the tools form an electrical path back to the person holding it!
When working with live electrical items (particularly high voltage) you want to ensure you use VDE tools, with this type of logo:
Just clarifying that in case anyone less experienced or just starting out may get confused [emoji106]
For ESD tools, the best use of them is as part of a wider scheme to reduce ESD, such as dedicated work areas with ESD mats, ESD connections back to earth, correct clothing worn by the user (e.g. don't wear wool garments) specific packaging, environmental conditions, etc.
If you've never experienced a problem then you may just have good technique and work skills.
To be honest, personal computers aren't too much hassle really.
I've used ESD tools in dedicated work areas when professionally working with high end cameras and medical devices so the setting up and operation of an ESD zone was a risk mitigation step well worth taking.
Hey Ruxpin,
I did not ever think that it was a critisism. Sometimes they way of writing could be interpreted in a different way.
It is good to learn new things and personally I am not working that much with electricity let alone being an expert.
The set I got it 18 years ago when I was in the Uni and I was fixing lots of Pcs and laptops. It is probably not an ESD; I will check later on for any signs.
Thanks for the info about the voltage tester and everything[emoji482]
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Home Depot, Walmart, KC Tool, Amazon, Zoro, Tooltopia.
Just got a pair from Amazon and they seem nice. Orbis is a Knipex brand so they have the same handle style that is very comfortable. This thread had some recent deals:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259694&page=764
Here's a link to a 7 pack on sale. The pic isn't working
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778PKVYY/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Just got a pair from Amazon and they seem nice. Orbis is a Knipex brand so they have the same handle style that is very comfortable. This thread had some recent deals:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259694&page=764
Here's a link to a 7 pack on sale. The pic isn't working
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778PKVYY/?tag=atomicindus08-20
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Krokodil
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That is an awesome picture!