Tools from the old world

[jessysirazvan]

Hi jessysirazvan,

When I was reading your post I thought someone had quoted my post from last year.

I had the same exact issue with the previous 60t ratchet and I replaced it with the Gedore which is very good.

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Hi losvre

I will buy this Hazet 916S

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B001C9Z4C2/

I think the ratchet become stuck due to the type of coupling,the teeth of coupling are 3 and the depth of the teeth is too large so the teets are sticking,maybe with one teeth coupling like Hazet use in mechanism ( but is more prone to break) this problem don't occure,or with fine teeth mechanism
This is only my opinion

 

[mr.lemons]

Has anyone tried new hazet 916HP? 90 tooth?

Hi 5ktq. 'German Tool Reviews' has just done an unboxing vid with a 916HP in it. Just first impressions but still interesting to see if you haven't already seen it.

 

[Gmonkee]

Are the mechanics in Europe more likely to reach for spanners or the socket set?

This may be a cultural thing where quite possibly there just was less reason to develop new styles as the old still worked.

 

[losvre]

Hi losvre

I will buy this Hazet 916S

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B001C9Z4C2/

I think the ratchet become stuck due to the type of coupling,the teeth of coupling are 3 and the depth of the teeth is too large so the teets are sticking,maybe with one teeth coupling like Hazet use in mechanism ( but is more prone to break) this problem don't occure,or with fine teeth mechanism
This is only my opinion

Hello,

I have seen the Hazet 916S from close and looks and feel very strong. I did not buy it because is quite bulky and coarse with only 32t but I believe it will loosen after you use for a few years[emoji6].

Monte knows more about it; I tried all 1/2 ratchets at TBS and liked Gedore most because it feels not so big, the handle fits my hand very well (medium size) and there is no backdrag which it can feel funny sometimes as they are no teeth in there.

Anyhow, try before you buy or at least make sure you can return/ exchange.

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[losvre]

Made in Germany stuff (cars,tools...etc,etc) is not like in the olden days.
They are just overpriced now.

Quite true however they have in general good price to quality ratio in Europe at least. In USA as far as I know from other members are expensive.

Hand tools in Germany are probably the cheapest while for electric and cordless I find UK the lowest prices in general.

Maybe you could also look for Japanese and French.

You will not find any manufacturer making the best of everything, some of their line is top some not so good. For example I like Gedore ratchets and 3/8 sockets because of the knurling but not their universal pliers and their spanners.

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[GerMec]

Are the mechanics in Europe more likely to reach for spanners or the socket set?

This may be a cultural thing where quite possibly there just was less reason to develop new styles as the old still worked.

Well I was a professional mechanic for several years in Germany and in my opinion we have completly different mentality about our tools becauce we dont need to buy them by ourself. Many many shops have just cheap china stuff and the mechanics are used to that and not willing or even just dont know that there is so much better stuff. But I have to say I like the bulky and heavy Hazet ratchets (also Stahlwille) the most...they give you this "tank feeling"

 

[mrspeed]

Received a few tools with no COO anywhere on the tools or packaging. The Elora locking pliers are obviously Grip-on rebrands, but why would they remove the "Made in Spain" stamping?

The Elora adjustable wrench seems really high quality, every bit as good as the Iregas. The exposed, unpolished machining on the surface is really interesting. Other than the brand and model numbers, the only other mark is a very tiny "V5F" on the tip of the handle.

Most disappointing is the Facom precision pliers. Supposedly made in France according to the website, but no actual COO anywhere on the product or box. Quality is okay, nothing to write home about. I was a little duped by the handle design. I thought they'd have a softer texture, as they look kind of leathery in the pictures, but they are in fact just hard plastic. I'm okay with them for what I paid, but wouldn't pay anywhere near regular price on them. For the money, I'd say Schmitz and Knipex are better.



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[JDSV]

Figure I'd try this thread before creating a brand new thread. Does anyone have experience with either or both the Husqvarna and Stihl (AP series) battery-powered systems?

Husqvarna:https://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/battery/

Stihl (AP series): https://www.stihlusa.com/products/battery-products/

Looking from an availability standpoint (in my local area), I'm leaning toward the Husqvarna, but open to and eager to hear others opinions on both systems.

 

[losvre]

Figure I'd try this thread before creating a brand new thread. Does anyone have experience with either or both the Husqvarna and Stihl (AP series) battery-powered systems?

Husqvarna:https://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/battery/

Stihl (AP series): https://www.stihlusa.com/products/battery-products/

Looking from an availability standpoint (in my local area), I'm leaning toward the Husqvarna, but open to and eager to hear others opinions on both systems.

Monte can tell you all about it but judging from the fact he did go all Husqvarva some time ago it's self explanatory.

It seems that Husqvarna are made in Sweden but double check.

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[jessysirazvan]

Hello,

I have seen the Hazet 916S from close and looks and feel very strong. I did not buy it because is quite bulky and coarse with only 32t but I believe it will loosen after you use for a few years[emoji6].

Monte knows more about it; I tried all 1/2 ratchets at TBS and liked Gedore most because it feels not so big, the handle fits my hand very well (medium size) and there is no backdrag which it can feel funny sometimes as they are no teeth in there.

Anyhow, try before you buy or at least make sure you can return/ exchange.

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losvre what do you think about this

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B000UYX40E/

Is Made in Germany or only Germany stamped

 

[losvre]

losvre what do you think about this

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B000UYX40E/

Is Made in Germany or only Germany stamped

Made in Germany until a few months ago. They have changed the logo design so I am not sure what the stamp says. I will check later and let you know.

 

[outdated]

Figure I'd try this thread before creating a brand new thread. Does anyone have experience with either or both the Husqvarna and Stihl (AP series) battery-powered systems?

I bought the Hugs'n'Kisses a chainsaw for her birthday... such a romantic aren't I? She'd had one of those 2-stroke Chinese mini chainsaws (for pruning etc) of which are sold in a multitude of non-brands all over the place.

I decided on the 36V Stihl MS160T arborists saw with the lightest (read: smallest capacity) battery. The saw has spectacularly exceeded my expectations, it is a beast. It easily matches the small saw it replaced - ok it was a lot more expensive but I reckon it will last a long time rather than the 2 years we got from the chinese saw. From memory both saw and battery are made in Germany, if that matters to you. The run time does not sound that great but in reality it goes for a surprising amount of time because it's only discharging when actually cutting. The thin chain means it can cut really well with it's modest power, it doesn't stink or make noise, very controllable, etc etc. It's not for felling large trees but for it's purpose is great.

I followed up with a hedge trimmer and blower in the same system, they are both excellent as well. The blower does lack a bit of grunt compared to the Husky petrol one that preceded it, but it is sufficient for blowing down the front and rear verandahs and the rear paved area (~200sqm) on one charge of the small battery. It is quiet and does not stink the place out with exhaust fumes. Very happy with them.

 

[jessysirazvan]

Made in Germany until a few months ago. They have changed the logo design so I am not sure what the stamp says. I will check later and let you know.

Thank losvre

No Germany ,no party

 

[Ruxpin]

36V Stihl MS160T arborists saw, hedge trimmer and blower in the same system. Very happy with them.

Sounds good.
I have been meaning to look into these further but the nearest dealer is a bit of a drive away.

Don't suppose you could put some photos up, could you?

Thanks

 

[Dakkyz]

NWS is nothing to be unhappy about. Can you post pictures? NWS usually has "Made in Germany" stamped on all pliers.

I finally got around to taking pictures, I believe they are the NWS industrial finish.

https://imgur.com/a/MvfYs1e

 

[Monte]

Hi Monte,
Welcome back!

Is there any other design difference(s) between the original Pliers Wrench and the above new models besides the plating (chrome vs. black oxide)?


Thanks,

Dave

Thanks
The new one has a scale

Hi guys, is anyone familiar with GYS welding equipment? If yes, what can you say about quality? Thanks in advance.

Never worked with it but the cheaper products are available at some Bauhaus stores and the expensive stuff is sold through car parts wholesalers/automotive tool stores. Most products seem to be labelled "Made in France".

Stahlwille 512 QRN

Very disappointed,the mechanism become stuck when i try to undo or tighten a bolt with more power, let's say with 100Nm for example.
I contact stahlwille and send me a replacement kit but the problem continues to occur,the racketing become stuck and for unlocking the mechanism i must hit the ratchet with a piece of wood or some plastic hummer.
I want to say that mechanism are very good oiled.
Some of you have this problem?

Is it an older version ? Because of the 2 screws ? The pics in the www show no screws ?

Figure I'd try this thread before creating a brand new thread. Does anyone have experience with either or both the Husqvarna and Stihl (AP series) battery-powered systems?

Husqvarna:https://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/battery/

Stihl (AP series): https://www.stihlusa.com/products/battery-products/

Looking from an availability standpoint (in my local area), I'm leaning toward the Husqvarna, but open to and eager to hear others opinions on both systems.

I bought a bunch of Husky tools which i also posted here in this thread.
The tools/boxes were labelled with "Made in Sweden" except the lawn mower. I didn´see the package either. The Stihl tools are made in Austria (lawn mowers ?). The only gasoline tools i ever used were a Dolmar PS-420 SC a Stihl backpack blower and the small Echo one hand saw as well as an AL-KO lawn mower. The gas tools are stronger. The reasons i choosed Husky over Stihl were small subjective things. The Husky hedge trimmer has a metal gear case and adjustable handle for example. The long reach hedge trimmer and pole saw have extra handles which are included. I think you can buy them for the Stihl products. The lawn mower looks like higher (subjective) quality and at the time i bought the tools Stihl didn´t offer self propelled versions. The long reach saw has a head mostly made of metal, Stihl not. There is some metal build into the Stihl one hand saw this might be better...My lawn mower is currently at the repair shop though
What i did like about the Husky tools was that you can use the same battery for their pro and hobby tools. I don´t need that feature, you might. Stihl has 3 battery systems. Stihl offer more tools though (over here) also new professional hedge trimmers with metal gear case, adjustable handle etc. but w/o battery slot (backpack battery only). I don´t know which tools you need and when but Bosch (blue) has some pretty nice (maybe the best) garden tools but not yet available in the US

 

[losvre]

Thank losvre

No Germany ,no party

Hi jessy,

Here we are

1/2 old logo and 1/4 new logo both made in ....[emoji41]

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[jessysirazvan]

Thanks
The new one has a scale

Never worked with it but the cheaper products are available at some Bauhaus stores and the expensive stuff is sold through car parts wholesalers/automotive tool stores. Most products seem to be labelled "Made in France".

Is it an older version ? Because of the 2 screws ? The pics in the www show no screws ?

I bought a bunch of Husky tools which i also posted here in this thread.
The tools/boxes were labelled with "Made in Sweden" except the lawn mower. I didn´see the package either. The Stihl tools are made in Austria (lawn mowers ?). The only gasoline tools i ever used were a Dolmar PS-420 SC a Stihl backpack blower and the small Echo one hand saw as well as an AL-KO lawn mower. The gas tools are stronger. The reasons i choosed Husky over Stihl were small subjective things. The Husky hedge trimmer has a metal gear case and adjustable handle for example. The long reach hedge trimmer and pole saw have extra handles which are included. I think you can buy them for the Stihl products. The lawn mower looks like higher (subjective) quality and at the time i bought the tools Stihl didn´t offer self propelled versions. The long reach saw has a head mostly made of metal, Stihl not. There is some metal build into the Stihl one hand saw this might be better...My lawn mower is currently at the repair shop though
What i did like about the Husky tools was that you can use the same battery for their pro and hobby tools. I don´t need that feature, you might. Stihl has 3 battery systems. Stihl offer more tools though (over here) also new professional hedge trimmers with metal gear case, adjustable handle etc. but w/o battery slot (backpack battery only). I don´t know which tools you need and when but Bosch (blue) has some pretty nice (maybe the best) garden tools but not yet available in the US

Yes Monte i bought in 2016 directly from Stahlwille Milano Italy(set is 52/16/6QR cod. 96030480)
On this page i posted one picture with whole set(the photo is last on page)

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28952&page=1389

 

[jessysirazvan]

Hi jessy,

Here we are

1/2 old logo and 1/4 new logo both made in ....[emoji41]

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Thanks losvre

 

[JDSV]

I bought the Hugs'n'Kisses a chainsaw for her birthday... such a romantic aren't I? She'd had one of those 2-stroke Chinese mini chainsaws (for pruning etc) of which are sold in a multitude of non-brands all over the place.

I decided on the 36V Stihl MS160T arborists saw with the lightest (read: smallest capacity) battery. The saw has spectacularly exceeded my expectations, it is a beast. It easily matches the small saw it replaced - ok it was a lot more expensive but I reckon it will last a long time rather than the 2 years we got from the chinese saw. From memory both saw and battery are made in Germany, if that matters to you. The run time does not sound that great but in reality it goes for a surprising amount of time because it's only discharging when actually cutting. The thin chain means it can cut really well with it's modest power, it doesn't stink or make noise, very controllable, etc etc. It's not for felling large trees but for it's purpose is great.

I followed up with a hedge trimmer and blower in the same system, they are both excellent as well. The blower does lack a bit of grunt compared to the Husky petrol one that preceded it, but it is sufficient for blowing down the front and rear verandahs and the rear paved area (~200sqm) on one charge of the small battery. It is quiet and does not stink the place out with exhaust fumes. Very happy with them.

Thank you for sharing your experience with Stihl. Glad to hear they are holding up and exceeded expectation. Definitely a factor to consider.

I bought a bunch of Husky tools which i also posted here in this thread.
The tools/boxes were labelled with "Made in Sweden" except the lawn mower. I didn´see the package either. The Stihl tools are made in Austria (lawn mowers ?). The only gasoline tools i ever used were a Dolmar PS-420 SC a Stihl backpack blower and the small Echo one hand saw as well as an AL-KO lawn mower. The gas tools are stronger. The reasons i choosed Husky over Stihl were small subjective things. The Husky hedge trimmer has a metal gear case and adjustable handle for example. The long reach hedge trimmer and pole saw have extra handles which are included. I think you can buy them for the Stihl products. The lawn mower looks like higher (subjective) quality and at the time i bought the tools Stihl didn´t offer self propelled versions. The long reach saw has a head mostly made of metal, Stihl not. There is some metal build into the Stihl one hand saw this might be better...My lawn mower is currently at the repair shop though
What i did like about the Husky tools was that you can use the same battery for their pro and hobby tools. I don´t need that feature, you might. Stihl has 3 battery systems. Stihl offer more tools though (over here) also new professional hedge trimmers with metal gear case, adjustable handle etc. but w/o battery slot (backpack battery only). I don´t know which tools you need and when but Bosch (blue) has some pretty nice (maybe the best) garden tools but not yet available in the US

Right out the gate my immediate need is a hedge trimmer and a pole saw. I was of Stihl's three different battery systems, and it looks like only their AP Series has a pole saw. However, I'm glad to hear that Husqvarna's batteries work between their home-grade and professional-grade equipment. I'm only a home user, but having the ability to expand into the professional equipment is an advantage. Also good to know that Husqvarna has metal parts, but maybe the plastic parts in the Stihls hold up just fine, as Outdated hasn't had any issues as of yet. Aside from the mower, are the rest of your Husqvarna tools holding up?

All good information! Thank you, all.

 

[losvre]

Thanks losvre

Forgot the coo[emoji106]


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[target]

Today purchase Toptul box end wrenches= 5-euro for both...hard to beat price to quality ratio.

 

[Cynical huckster]

Never worked with it but the cheaper products are available at some Bauhaus stores and the expensive stuff is sold through car parts wholesalers/automotive tool stores. Most products seem to be labelled "Made in France".

Some of the cheaper products are made in France too, such as GYSMI 160P. As far as I can trust the user reviews, many people like GYS welders for ease of use. But there is a problem with the cost of repairs... So now I'm thinking, is it worth buying GYS welders in stock, or Ukrainian Paton will be enough?

 

[jessysirazvan]

Forgot the coo[emoji106]


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So Mega Party

 

[mr.lemons]

Hultafors EDC Chisel. No coo. Bought as a general scraper and bodging tool.

 

[sljeme345]

Finally arive new tool for countryside, brushcutter from Stihl FS 360 C-EM

 

[losvre]

Hultafors EDC Chisel. No coo. Bought as a general scraper and bodging tool.

I am quite sure it is made in China like their knives.

Mora on the other hand still produce their knives in Sweden.

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[outdated]

These days if it don't say where it's made, then more than likely it is China!

 

[mrspeed]

Does anyone know who the manufacturers of locking pliers are? As in, which tool companies actually manufacture their own or supply locking pliers to everyone else? I know there's Grip-on in Spain. I've also seen a lot of brands that seem to be rebranding Knipex locking pliers, though I'm only guessing it's Knipex that's actually manufacturing them. Does anyone know for sure? Also are there others? I haven't actually gotten my hands on any from Gedore, Stahlwille, or Wiha yet, do I'm not sure about those. And I'm sure there are more I'm not aware of.

These days if it don't say where it's made, then more than likely it is China!

That's what I've generally assumed, but I've seen a few exceptions. For example, I received a pair of NOS Bahco/Belzer pliers where the packaging said "Made in France" with the model number, but then the tool had no COO. I also have a couple Grip-on-rebranded Elora locking pliers with no COO, but I can tell they are Grip-on so I'm assuming they're made in Spain. I'm pretty sure I have a couple other known exceptions but can't recall what they were off the top of my head. As you said, more than likely China, but not always.

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[Alava]

Does anyone know who the manufacturers of locking pliers are? As in, which tool companies actually manufacture their own or supply locking pliers to everyone else? I know there's Grip-on in Spain. I've also seen a lot of brands that seem to be rebranding Knipex locking pliers, though I'm only guessing it's Knipex that's actually manufacturing them. Does anyone know for sure? Also are there others? I haven't actually gotten my hands on any from Gedore, Stahlwille, or Wiha yet, do I'm not sure about those. And I'm sure there are more I'm not aware of.That's what I've generally assumed, but I've seen a few exceptions. For example, I received a pair of NOS Bahco/Belzer pliers where the packaging said "Made in France" with the model number, but then the tool had no COO. I also have a couple Grip-on-rebranded Elora locking pliers with no COO, but I can tell they are Grip-on so I'm assuming they're made in Spain. I'm pretty sure I have a couple other known exceptions but can't recall what they were off the top of my head. As you said, more than likely China, but not always.

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Bollmann-Selzer in Germany:

https://www.bollmann-selzer.de

Dolex in France:

www.Dolex.fr

Bahco in Spain.

They are made in the old Acesa factory

 

[Qualitytools]

Bollmann-Selzer in Germany:

https://www.bollmann-selzer.de

Dolex in France:

www.Dolex.fr

Bahco in Spain.

They are made in the old Acesa factory

Thanks, very interesting, I learned something new!

 

[mrspeed]

Bollmann-Selzer in Germany:

https://www.bollmann-selzer.de

Dolex in France:

www.Dolex.fr

Bahco in Spain.

They are made in the old Acesa factory

Thank you, this is exactly the info I was looking for!

It looks to me like Bollman-Selzer are the big ones that supply Knipex, NWS, Elora, Heyco, and I'm sure many others.

Dolex appears to supply Facom, based on the design, which makes sense, since they're both French.

For Bahco, I looked at the locking pliers on their website (below), and all their pliers appear identical to Grip-on. Are you saying they are the supplier of Grip-on, Snap-on, etc. and that Grip-on doesn't actually make their own? Or does Bahco no longer make their own pliers and instead now just sources them from Grip-on? Or am I misunderstanding entirely?

https://www.bahco.com/en/s/grip-and-welding-pliers/ea-7e-30-17-77-ee-16-3d-44-a6-15-1c-a3-51-07-ba/

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[Alava]

Thank you, this is exactly the info I was looking for!

It looks to me like Bollman-Selzer are the big ones that supply Knipex, NWS, Elora, Heyco, and I'm sure many others.

Dolex appears to supply Facom, based on the design, which makes sense, since they're both French.

For Bahco, I looked at the locking pliers on their website (below), and all their pliers appear identical to Grip-on. Are you saying they are the supplier of Grip-on, Snap-on, etc. and that Grip-on doesn't actually make their own? Or does Bahco no longer make their own pliers and instead now just sources them from Grip-on? Or am I misunderstanding entirely?

https://www.bahco.com/en/s/grip-and-welding-pliers/ea-7e-30-17-77-ee-16-3d-44-a6-15-1c-a3-51-07-ba/

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Hello

As far as I know the standard locking plier is (or was) made in the old Acesa factory. It appears in the catalog.

Grip-on makes in house their tools entirely, and you are right they both look the same... Maybe I'm a bit old and the stock I know is old stock, but you are right and seems that Bahco has shut down another production line here but at least it stays spanish

 

[mrspeed]

Hello

As far as I know the standard locking plier is (or was) made in the old Acesa factory. It appears in the catalog.

Grip-on makes in house their tools entirely, and you are right they both look the same... Maybe I'm a bit old and the stock I know is old stock, but you are right and seems that Bahco has shut down another production line here but at least it stays spanish

Oh yeah, look at that. If you go to page 2 of Bahco's locking pliers (which I admittedly did not do), there actually are two locking plier models that don't look like Grip-on. The "Universal Grip Pliers", model 2997 in 250mm and 300mm sizes, are completely different than the rest.

They look cool, and I wouldn't mind trying them out, but they're 2-3 times more expensive than any other Bollmann-Selzer or Grip-on locking pliers I have, so I'm not sure I'm that curious.

EDIT: Though I'm realizing those Bahco Universal Grip pliers look similar to the Dolex pliers that supply Facom. So, now I'm wondering if those Bahco's are actually made by Bahco in Spain, or Dolex in France. While they look similar, they're not exact, as they differ in the jaw design, and lower handle shape and placement. The differences though are small, and given the [appearance of] identical placement of pins/rivets/screws, I'm wondering if those are just variations in swappable components.

 

[Negen]

Those acesa B075 look just like my facom locking pliers. Are acesa the original designer of that style?

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[Alava]

Those acesa B075 look just like my facom locking pliers. Are acesa the original designer of that style?

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Hello,

I dont know if they are the original designers, maybe they just comply with some UNE or DIN standard... I dont know but I know a good friend of mine that has worked in Acesa so if you wait until I see him again I'll ask him

This said, I've used it sometimes and I dont like it, I prefer the standard model.

 

[mrspeed]

Hi mrspeed,

I haven't had a chance to use the Knipex 41 44 200 pliers. However, when I briefly handled them, they felt as substantial construction-wise as my Grip-on 127B-12 (LINK). I have used the Grip-on pliers to get myself out of a few sticky situations.

Can you please provide a link(s) to the negative reviews for the Knipex pliers? I would like to read them.


Thanks,

Dave

Sorry, I thought I answered this a while ago, but when I just now went hunting for my own reply, I couldn't find it. This was the review I was referring to in particular. It's in German, so you may need to translate it, but it's got some good info and a couple pictures to go along with it:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-reviews/R1G66NLW8K3R9/

Some new locking pliers from Elora. Had good deal from amazon. 5 pieces total 43€. Parallel jaws grip pliers and basic grip pliers marked made in germany. Other ones no coo marked(grip-on style lockable adjustment) I don’t know the manifacturer.

Made in germany ones slighty better quality overall, teeths slighty sharper, jaws better aligned.

I have a few of those, and based on Alava's comments above, it looks like Bollmann-Selzer is the manufacturer of the two German-made pliers, and Grip-on makes the other three. Though, I still haven't figured out why Elora omits the "Made in Spain" stamps on their Grip-on rebranded locking pliers.

 

[mr.lemons]

For info.. I contacted Hultafors. Their chisels are made in Malaysia.

 

[Alava]

I contacted Hultafors. Their chisels are made in Malaysia.

I know very few tools made there... They usually produce rubber... But steel tools? Good question

 

[upgrading]

I think I have a great utility knife made there by Stanley.