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losvre

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Learned today that all of Metabo's corded SDS Plus offerings, the KHE 2444 and the KHE 26 D are made in China. Learned that the hard way by buying both, and then having to return them both when I saw the COO sticker.

Least the Bosch Bulldog is still german made.
Hi Pureleaf,

Weldone for returning them back!

I would also write to Metabo a few words.

BTW not all sds are made in China
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Little help from a German speaker please to clear up my confusion. Is 'Inbus' a brand name for a company that makes hex/allen keys or the German name for hex/allen? Or both? May be completely wrong, it could be Dutch rather than German. :eek:

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Edit. Didn't know these existed. Twisted tip designed to remove damaged hex fasteners. They get mixed reviews. :dunno:

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inbus is a brand, but its sort of like how a lot of people here call socket hex heads 'allens', despite not being made by allen.
 

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I worked with a number of Germans in import car shops and they called allen screws "inhex". The Germans made a lot of those fasteners with a really shallow hex, and I hated that because it was easier to strip out than the American ones.
 

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Little help from a German speaker please to clear up my confusion. Is 'Inbus' a brand name for a company that makes hex/allen keys or the German name for hex/allen? Or both? May be completely wrong, it could be Dutch rather than German. :eek:

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Edit. Didn't know these existed. Twisted tip designed to remove damaged hex fasteners. They get mixed reviews. :dunno:

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Hello

As far as I know, INBUS Is a brand of HaFu, a company that only makes hex keys

www.hafu.de

:)
 

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By the way, do you guys think this kind of gap is normal for high quality tools like these Knipex... Or are these pliers defective?
The angled version I bought don't have a gap when it's closed...



Update: I returned them to the shop and got a new one which closes perfectly. So it definitely was a defective one. :thumbup:
 
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Update: I returned them to the shop and got a new one which closes perfectly. So it definitely was a defective one. [emoji106]
Nice, you got the right one.

I also have a few issues with Knipex not sure if the quality is the same as years ago.

Are there any brick & mortar shops in UK selling top brand tools?

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Thanks for the info about Inbus. Seams the name has become so synonymous with hex that even translator software is confused.

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Irimo 200mm adjustable spanner/wrench.

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Available new relatively cheap on Ebay so gave it a punt just to try the alternative adjustment design.

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Satin finish with polished head and jaws.

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The spanner has sharp edges and corners which is very apparent where your thumb rubs when turning the knob.

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It is a little difficult to adjust with just your thumb but can be adjusted quite easily with thumb and finger in one hand.

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Tapered jaws. Compared to the same size Bahco.

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Made in Spain.

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From new my example had a very tight adjustment mechanism and was a struggle to use but has loosened off with a little use. The amount of effort required to turn the knob is not consistent throughout the jaw's path with more effort required in the middle area of travel and less effort required at each extremes. This seems to be evening out with use.

All adjustables I have used have some play in the bottom jaw. This one is no exception. It does however have the tightest fitting jaw out of the spanners I have which is a limited selection. Bahco, Irega and cheapies.
 

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Irimo 200mm adjustable spanner/wrench.

Available new relatively cheap on Ebay so gave it a punt just to try the alternative adjustment design.

Satin finish with polished head and jaws.

The spanner has sharp edges and corners which is very apparent where your thumb rubs when turning the knob.

It is a little difficult to adjust with just your thumb but can be adjusted quite easily with thumb and finger in one hand.

Tapered jaws. Compared to the same size Bahco.

Made in Spain.

From new my example had a very tight adjustment mechanism and was a struggle to use but has loosened off with a little use. The amount of effort required to turn the knob is not consistent throughout the jaw's path with more effort required in the middle area of travel and less effort required at each extremes. This seems to be evening out with use.

All adjustables I have used have some play in the bottom jaw. This one is no exception. It does however have the tightest fitting jaw out of the spanners I have which is a limited selection. Bahco, Irega and cheapies.

Wow, you have found and old stock (original logo) IRIMO... Congratulations. That wrench will help you every day of your life and without problems.

Seems that some people still can fins good old spanish tools like that

That wrench is literally in every workshop I've been in, and for a good reason. Take care of it and will surpass you :)
 

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Irimo 200mm adjustable spanner/wrench.

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Available new relatively cheap on Ebay so gave it a punt just to try the alternative adjustment design.

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Satin finish with polished head and jaws.

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The spanner has sharp edges and corners which is very apparent where your thumb rubs when turning the knob.

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It is a little difficult to adjust with just your thumb but can be adjusted quite easily with thumb and finger in one hand.

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Tapered jaws. Compared to the same size Bahco.

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Made in Spain.

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From new my example had a very tight adjustment mechanism and was a struggle to use but has loosened off with a little use. The amount of effort required to turn the knob is not consistent throughout the jaw's path with more effort required in the middle area of travel and less effort required at each extremes. This seems to be evening out with use.

All adjustables I have used have some play in the bottom jaw. This one is no exception. It does however have the tightest fitting jaw out of the spanners I have which is a limited selection. Bahco, Irega and cheapies.
They look great... like the bahco i have... they aren't that cheap in the states....

looking for a pebble 4766 or any 47xx pebble hinged handle
 

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I would like that, if you have a chance. I'm curious if yours end up being shorter than the claimed 200mm as well. Also, thanks for pointing out the different crimping sections. I did not notice that.

I still haven't heard anything from Gedore or their US subsidiary. That is an outlier for me. Every other German tool company or US subsidiary thereof that I have wanted or needed to contact has been both prompt to reply and helpful in said replies. That turns me off quite a bit from making future Gedore purchases. There are lots of companies with similarly excellent tools that also provide sterling service at similar pricing.

OK, mine is 190mm and 202 grams
 

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Learned today that all of Metabo's corded SDS Plus offerings, the KHE 2444 and the KHE 26 D are made in China. Learned that the hard way by buying both, and then having to return them both when I saw the COO sticker.

Least the Bosch Bulldog is still german made.

I bought this Metabo drill recently and it's German made:bowdown:.

So is the Metabo vari-speed grinder which fits handily into the case it came in.

(Note the date code on Metabo labels)

The Alpen drill bits are made in Austria. I don't think I've got a single Chinese made tool.
 

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What I find odd is that Gardena clearly state Made in Germany on their hosepipe accessories packaging (I have those myself) but not mention anything on their gardening tools?

It's probably not deemed to be important to most of their customers and maybe Gardena / Husqvarna just use the Germany COO as a marketing tool for the hosepipe accessories...

How have your Husqy cordless tools performed this Summer?
Are you happy with them?
There are certain garden tools which are labelled "MiG" ...Some loppers and secateurs for example. I dunno why Gardena only label the german products with a coo...

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So far i´m very happy with my Husky tools. The summer is still going strong and the tools (mostly both hedge trimmers) are getting used several times a month (sometimes week). You have to take care of them though, sharpen chains, as well as the hedge trimmer blades ocassionally (regular file, diamond file) ,but thats it. (charge the batteries of course...). But usually i can cut several hedges with one charge, especially the long hedge trimmers doesn´t take much energy (brushless motor...). The one hand saw is a bit heavy though with the big battery. Maybe the smaller amp battery would be more suited for that saw. I think it was a good investment since they return (with hand tools/all garden tools) around 300 - 500 € a month.

We don't have too many welding equipment manufacturers. Frankly speaking, Paton is the most famous Ukrainian brand. Moreover, they have the most extensive products range.

We also have Donmet plant, but they just make torches, nozzles, pressure regulators, etc. KZESO makes primarily rail welding machines - not exactly what you need for DIY :lol_hitti Yes, I have some customers in the railway industry, but KZESO doesn't want to work with resellers.

There are also some brands such as Atom-Svarka, Istok-Pivden, Elsva, etc., but they are very poorly distributed.

So most part of Ukrainian users have to choose between Paton and foreign brands. That's why I'm thinking about GYS.
I guess it would make sense then to sell Paton and GYS (or similar) so the customer can choose.
I think the GYS prices are good, competitors from Germany are usually more expensive. Italian brands might be interesting too (Awelco, Deca, Telwin, Cea, Cebora....).

VBW 36"-910mm Bolt cutters. Made in Germany. Heavy duty weighing in at 14.5 lbs-6.6 Kg
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Little help from a German speaker please to clear up my confusion. Is 'Inbus' a brand name for a company that makes hex/allen keys or the German name for hex/allen? Or both? May be completely wrong, it could be Dutch rather than German. :eek:
Hafu (https://www.inbus.de) sells hex keys under the Inbus name and owns the trademark. Inbus = Innensechskantschraube Bauer und Schaurte = Inhex screw Bauer and Schaurte. From the former screw manufacturer in germany "Baur und Schaurte" who held the patent in germany. They went down the river decades ago...
 

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^^^^ £10 inc post on UK ebay if anyone is interested. 22 sold / more than 10 available. I've bought a couple of items from the seller without issue.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Irimo-8-...098699?hash=item5671f5734b:g:zukAAOSwstxU~u6R

Not sure about Irimo now, if its old Irimo its good stuff. I got this set of pliers recently for 5£ on amazon. Not great tbh, not much symmetry in the jaws, made in china, but fot a fiver i cannot expect Snap-on (funny enough it does say Snap-on Europe on the pack). It seems this is the Snap-on's uber cheap brand now i.e. Snap-on > Bluepoint > bahco >>>>>>>>>>>> Irimo

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01ALKN5EG/?tag=atomicindustr-21
 
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I will, but I still haven't found anything on eBay. It's most likely a rare item.
The hunt is on. :D

It is... I found another one few months ago but the price was:lol_hitti so I had to pass that deal...
They are a long time out of production...maybe 10-20 years or so
 
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I actually need a 21/32" socket or wrench for work...been using 11/16" and 17mm wrenches, which are both a tad sloppy. 21/32" is an uncommon size...sockets are out there, new from Williams, Proto, SK, Wright...all 1/2 drive. I'd prefer 3/8. Wrenches...not many options.

Found a couple options in 3/8...Koken and KTC both offer this size in deep and shallow, but on the pricy side ~$25.

Finally settled on a Wiha/Heyco #60220 3/8 drive 12 point shallow socket, made in Germany, for $11. Funny I can't find this fractional inch size socket made in USA...lol
 
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Rattles with a wrist (I do not know if that's how it's spelled) are still produced and can be bought, they are not cheap.

- long:
- 1/4 863 G,
- 3/8 8816 G,
- 1/2 916 GL

- short:
- 3/8 8816 GK
- 1/2 916 GK

8816 GK - 218 (mm)




8816 G - 276 (mm)

 
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Usually when I see these on sale @Ace the package has an American flag and states they are Made in USA with domestic and global components.
So when I saw this
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I was worried they were outsourced to China.
No such thing though.
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So even though I have a ton of blades I bought them.

The older British made Stanley blades were first class, but I havn’t seen them for a while. Those are obviously newish, let us know if they’re decent!

The older slimknife blades were made for Stanley by Swann Morton, the scalpel makers. I had friends there who said Stanley were always demanding them cheaper, and in the end the contract went abroad. Quality of course nosedived!

Stanley’s reputation is so poor in the U.K. now that nobody serious touches their stuff. I can get top quality British Made blades for little more than Stanley charge, and if you start hacking carpet around, or somesuch task, you really notice the difference!
 

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Within the SBD/Facom family, USAG 1/4" sockets are stepped and knurled, similar to Hazet. Knurling isn't quite as pronounced, but still decent.

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Facom's RB and JB series sockets (12pt) have knurling.
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Thanks guys, good info. Based on the pics that USAG/RB,JB knurling looks more decorative than functional. At least not as deep/aggressive looking as the Hazet.
 

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One of our new product video line ... i am thankful for any comments. Thank you in advance.


I found it too dark to get a good view of what it is you're showcasing. I viewed initially on my iPad and than again on a desktop with a 24" screen still too dark and not clear of the actual box, the tools are visible but again slightly. I am not sure if this is intentional to arouse interest or not.
 

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So after moving and having to store several things away and not unpacking for a while I stumbled on my Sears Hacksaw and discovered that it was made in the Old World (Made in Sweden). I don't recall when I purchased it but it was before I joined the GJ and even paying attention to COO :)
 

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Looks like a repaint of a sandvik, er bahco

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Which I suppose means you have a craftsman snap-on hacksaw there. haha :)
 

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Got an offer and after I researched a bit I bought the following. No coo and so it is not made in England for sure; one site refers China as place of production.

I was a bit disappointed on how it is delivered in a plain carton box and one sheet for instructions; sure nothing high tech bit a bit of info wouldn't harm anyone. First impression is not good.

Anyway, it feels cheap when you hold it on the hands however as far as I could verify it works as intended and quite accurate temperature on the tip.

Some reviews say it broke down after little usage but people are mostly happy.

Will give it a chance and get it through some testing for a few hours and if fails back for refund and get a more expensive one.

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Visited my home town this weekend so took the opportunity to go in Machine Mart which has been there as long as I can remember. Think it's sort of the UK Harbour Freight. Mostly Chinese and Taiwan stuff. Some Wera out of reach behind the counter. Still fun to look around and handle the tools when you are used to mostly buying online. Staff were friendly.

Boring pics but I've seen some posts where people have asked about Uk tool stores so may be of some interest.

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Compressors are 'UK built.' website says 'British built.' Not sure exactly what that means.

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Big purchase of the day.......... a Facom 1/4 locking extension.

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Hi Pureleaf,

Weldone for returning them back!

I would also write to Metabo a few words.

BTW not all sds are made in China
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Awesome to see that is made in Germany. I'd looked at that, but the multi function of it had steered me away. its too often that a tool that is designed to do it all, isn't great at doing it all. So I was trying to stick with a dedicated rotary hammer. I ended up switching to the Bosch Bulldog 1 1/8 SDS Plus, as its made in Germany.

I did speak with a metabo person from marketing for their USA branch whom I've spoken to in the past about issues concerning warranty and the gear casing defects on their drills. He recommended I give the drill a try and that it was a great tool, and I said the best way for us as consumers to encourage companies like Metabo to continue making their tools in countries that pay a living wage to workers and hopefully create quality products was to return tools like this. If they can't sell them, they'll stop making them. So slow boat back to China is where I sent it (actually just Amazon returns).
 

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