Tools from the old world

[mr.lemons]

Stahlwille 12500N-07 7mm nut spinner.



Drall+ (Which is Stahlwille's screwdriver range).



Not sure what 'Drall' means. Google translates 'Drall' from German to English to mean 'Buxom.'

Info from the catalogue.



'Made in Germany' on the handle and 'Germany' stamped on the tip.





Handle feels a lot like Wiha soft finish but triangular. Witte put me off triangular shaped handles but these are more rounded so don't feel quite as awkward IMHO. The end of the handle is circular for easy fingertip spinning.



The current catalogue shows a different handle so this may be an old design even though purchased this week from Amazon.

 

[mr.lemons]

Engineer PZ-64 150mm.

Already been seen on this thread a few times but these are my first pliers from Engineer so posting pics anyway.

For removing damaged screws. Screwhead size 3-9.5mm

Packaging states HRC60.

Cutters for steel wire up to 1.6mm. Not sure why they have these.

No coo (in English) on the tool or packaging.

The 150mm size includes the unscrewed adjustment knob. Without the knob they are about 130mm.

Just from looking at the fit and finish there really isn't anything to distinguish these from made in China pliers. Hopefully they will prove to be more durable.

 

[upgrading]

Nice.

 

[superautobacs]

Yep, those are not made in Japan.
Did you consider the 3.Peaks ones?


3-Peaks Dia-type Locking Pliers.. by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr

 

[Dave455]

Stahlwille 12500N-07 7mm nut spinner


'Made in Germany' on the handle and 'Germany' stamped on the tip.

Handle feels a lot like Wiha soft finish but triangular. Witte put me off triangular shaped handles but these are more rounded so don't feel quite as awkward IMHO. The end of the handle is circular for easy fingertip spinning

The current catalogue shows a different handle so this may be an old design even though purchased this week from Amazon.

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Stahlwille seem to change their handle designs more often than my other half switches shoes!

I’m not normally a fan of these multi component soft handles, but the style you have seem to be better than most. I’ve got a couple, including that exact nut driver, and quite like’em!

I think all their screwdrivers are ‘Drall’, much as open ended spanners are ‘Motor’ etc etc! Despite giving them names, each tool still has TWO part numbers!

Their screwdrivers have changed from ‘Drall’ - the original hard (ish) black handles, to 3K Drall (with a sort of fabric insert), to Drall + as we both have. Not sure what the even newer ones are called! Each catalogue seems to list at least two types so I’d expect those to be available for a good while! They seem to be decent tools for the money!

 

[node105]

Could you please post a picture of the set?

phone pics unfortunately

 

[Bogdan M.]

Thanks!

 

[mr.lemons]

Yep, those are not made in Japan.
Did you consider the 3.Peaks ones?

I did and would have prefered them but cheaped out even after reading the comparisons in the Japan thread.

They seem to be decent tools for the money!

Used it today to remove hoses to get access to a crank pulley and thought it felt good in the hand and well balanced. Haven't seen many Stahlwille screwdrivers on here. Going off the nut spinner I would imagine that they are pretty good.

 

[mr.lemons]

Had to do a walk of shame to my local Halfords this morning for an aux belt and jump starter. I used the jump starter three times with just the charge it came with and it started my diesel each time without issue. Was just clicking without it. No idea how it will last or how it compares to other jump starters but if you are in the UK and in a pickle I can recommend it at trade card price.

Phaze 4-in-1 Jump Starter £50 (£33.60 with trade card).

https://www.halfords.com/workshop-t...rgers-jump-starters/phaze-4-in-1-jump-starter

 

[Dave455]

Used it today to remove hoses to get access to a crank pulley and thought it felt good in the hand and well balanced. Haven't seen many Stahlwille screwdrivers on here. Going off the nut spinner I would imagine that they are pretty good.

Yes, those screwdriver style nut runners are perfect for that!

I wish someone made a really long one as half of those clips seem to be buried away at the bottom of the engine compartment.

I used to set up, and occasionally shift, machine tools, and had the exact same problem there! A guy I worked with had a Snap On bit driver with a blade about 2 feet long! Great idea, but like a lot of useful stuff, now discontinued!

 

[mrspeed]

Big and little versions of Wiha mallets and Gedore hammers.

And the Heyco and Hazet wrenches I finally mounted on the wall for easy access.



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[Qualitytools]

Big and little versions of Wiha mallets and Gedore hammers.

And the Heyco and Hazet wrenches I finally mounted on the wall for easy access.



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That's pretty neat how you have them mounted, looks great!

 

[Flash21]

beautiful tools, mrspeed. Also love your bench setup

 

[handtools-from-germany]

Yes, you got the old handle version. Stahlwille changed the complete handle design of their Screwdriver etc last year in spring.

Stahlwille 12500N-07 7mm nut spinner.

Drall+ (Which is Stahlwille's screwdriver range).

Not sure what 'Drall' means. Google translates 'Drall' from German to English to mean 'Buxom.'

Info from the catalogue.

'Made in Germany' on the handle and 'Germany' stamped on the tip.

Handle feels a lot like Wiha soft finish but triangular. Witte put me off triangular shaped handles but these are more rounded so don't feel quite as awkward IMHO. The end of the handle is circular for easy fingertip spinning.

The current catalogue shows a different handle so this may be an old design even though purchased this week from Amazon.

 

[handtools-from-germany]

The NWS ergonomic high leverage combination pliers is a useful multi-functional pliers for every tool box. We show you the NWS 1096 in their different designs with the main focus on the VDE version. All types are cutting hard and soft wires wirh inductively hardened edges ans one feature is the integrated ring spanner up to 18mm.
#handtoolsfromgermany @handtoolsfromgermany

 

[mr.lemons]

Yes, you got the old handle version. Stahlwille changed the complete handle design of their Screwdriver etc last year in spring.

Not the first time with Amazon. I recently bought a 18mm Stahlwille Open Box 14 to fill a gap in my set and they sent me one with the size stamped on the open end which I think have been discontinued for a few years. Is the handle on the current drivers a different size/shape to mine or is it just cosmetic changes? Also if you don't mind, do you get an early warning from the manufacturer when they are going to update things so you are not stuck with old stock?

 

[mr.lemons]

Toptul mini hook and pick set.

No coo

Made of stainless steel according to the packaging. Not sure why

 

[dkroth]

Made of stainless steel according to the packaging. Not sure why

Stainless is good. Imagine having some some chintzy chrome plating that flakes off the first time you twist on it a bit.

My favorite picks are the old Craftsman clear handle picks. I believe they are nickle plated. Or they're stainless. I should go check.






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[Mike.ASC]

Are they hard handles ^

 

[lilcraigford]

Are they hard handles ^

If you're referring to the Craftsman dkroth mentioned, yes they were a hard handle set:

PN 41513, made in the USA at one time.

 

[Ganymedes]

Mr.Lemons, I did not know why and when: I have the Open Box 13, the shorter ones, from 6 to 22 mm sw; they are different! Some with the sw stamped on the open end, some with the sw cast on the handle, some with the text "stronger than any bolt" (these are the eldest, I presume) I am very interested to get more clarity. These wrenches were not bought as a set, but individually. Happy 2019!

 

[Mike.ASC]

If you're referring to the Craftsman dkroth mentioned, yes they were a hard handle set:

PN 41513, made in the USA at one time.

Thanks for the reply , I was actually asking about the toptul set above.

 

[mr.lemons]

Mr.Lemons, I did not know why and when: I have the Open Box 13, the shorter ones, from 6 to 22 mm sw; they are different! Some with the sw stamped on the open end, some with the sw cast on the handle, some with the text "stronger than any bolt" (these are the eldest, I presume) I am very interested to get more clarity. These wrenches were not bought as a set, but individually. Happy 2019!

I'm sure this has been discussed on this thread earlier when someone bought a set which had a mixture of stamped and cast sizes. Sorry but I cannot find it now. Hopefully someone will have info.

Edit. Was this post. (No info really, but we can deduce that the stamped ones predate 2012 when this was posted).
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2669733&postcount=12806

Thanks for the reply , I was actually asking about the toptul set above.

The black parts on the Toptul handles is quite a soft rubber.

 

[mr.lemons]

Picked up a used Palmera 1/2 extension off ebay. Marked 'Spain.'

The ball indents didn't line up properly with any of my ratchets or other extensions. Not sure if it's a bit faulty or made to a different standard. Had to butcher it with a dremel to get it to lock on to Bahco and Facom quick release ratchets.

Finally needed a long ratchet so got to use my Facom extending ratchet. Functioned well with very little flex in the handle but still don't trust it. Kept picturing it snapping and smashing my knuckles.

 

[superautobacs]

That's annoying...the Palmera extension.

I'd guess that there's anywhere from 80-100mm of CRV tool steel tube/rod still in the grip so I'd be more concerned about quick-release anvil shearing off.

 

[superautobacs]

A couple 9" fabric/tailor shears from Kretzer Finny (Solingen, Germany) and Premax (Premana, Italy):


Kretzer Finny 9" Fabric Shears by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr


Kretzer Finny 9" Fabric Shears by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr


Kretzer Finny 9" Fabric Shears by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr




Nickel plated carbon steel Premax:



Premax 9" Tailors Shears by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr



Premax 9" Tailors Shears by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr


Premax 9" Tailors Shears by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr

 

[dkroth]

If you're referring to the Craftsman dkroth mentioned, yes they were a hard handle set:

PN 41513, made in the USA at one time.

Those are the ones I was referring to. Unfortunately, that's a pic of the post-USA versions. Those have cheap chrome and lack the knurling on the shaft that helps with grip in delicate situations.






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[mr.lemons]

^ Those Premax scissors look nice.

Stahlwille 12500N-07 7mm nut spinner.

Handle feels a lot like Wiha soft finish but triangular. Witte put me off triangular shaped handles but these are more rounded so don't feel quite as awkward IMHO. The end of the handle is circular for easy fingertip spinning.

Looking at these pics from Monte earlier in this thread it looks like Witte may make the Stahlwille drivers. Seams I was judging Witte from just one of the handle styles that they produce.

 

[mr.lemons]

I really liked these green handled Heyco screwdrivers posted a while ago, so I bought a couple sets I found on sale Amazon.de, along with a 1/4" bit driver and a set of Torx screwdrivers as well. I'm really happy with them. Obviously not as comfortable as the Wera confirm grip screwdrivers, but wow are the beautiful, and I'll likely reach for these when working on anything greasy or oily.

Digging out more pics from this thread. Witte made a similar handle. Not sure if they made the Heyco ones or if that was just a popular style of the time.

 

[Djefk]

Does anyone have a good lead on where to buy those Heyco screwdriver sets with the old school translucent green handles (v similar to the Witte pictured above) in the U.K.? Amazon.de has a couple of sellers but when I go to pay I am told they can’t ship to my address. Frustrating.

 

[Reed Prince]

A couple 9" fabric/tailor shears from Kretzer Finny (Solingen, Germany) and Premax (Premana, Italy)

Those Premax look nice. I wonder how they compare with Kai 7000 series?

 

[dede2897234]

Engineer PZ-64 150mm.

Already been seen on this thread a few times but these are my first pliers from Engineer so posting pics anyway.

For removing damaged screws. Screwhead size 3-9.5mm

Packaging states HRC60.

Cutters for steel wire up to 1.6mm. Not sure why they have these.

No coo (in English) on the tool or packaging.

The 150mm size includes the unscrewed adjustment knob. Without the knob they are about 130mm.

Just from looking at the fit and finish there really isn't anything to distinguish these from made in China pliers. Hopefully they will prove to be more durable.

Superautobacs,

What is the COO of the Engineer PZ-64 and PZ-65 pliers?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[mr.lemons]

King TTC CA-22 160mm cable shears.

'Made in Japan' marked on the shears and on the packaging.



Compared to Bahco 2233D-160 (Made in China). Bahco is slightly bulkier all round and a little heavier.



Bahco has a rough cutting edge and grind.



CA-22 has a comparatively cleaner edge and grind.



Really just reiterating what has already been covered in the 'German Tool Reviews' video but contrary to his shears the pivot on my Bahco is flush and the CA-22 is poorly finished with a very sharp edge. Looks to be the chrome layer.







Bahco pivot is loose so there is a gap between the cutting edges.



So far I have found no obvious difference in cutting ability. It appears that the CA-22 is finished to a higher standard than the Bahco but unfortunately suffers from similarly poor QA.

 

[mr.lemons]

I'm not a knife guy so this may be old news but I was shopping for walking boots today and noticed that Opinel knives now come in pretty colours. They also had an orange one in the display cabinet.

 

[Steve_P]

I have the CA-22 shears and mine are perfect; they don't have that odd issue on the pin. Also, they're not plated, that's bare metal on the machined surfaces. I was impressed with mine for the $ .
I bought mine online and they surprisingly shipped from China so they took a few weeks to arrive.

 

[Reed Prince]

I have the CA-22 shears and mine are perfect; they don't have that odd issue on the pin. Also, they're not plated, that's bare metal on the machined surfaces. I was impressed with mine for the $ .
I bought mine online and they surprisingly shipped from China so they took a few weeks to arrive.

My CA-38 shears also arrived in perfect condition. I ordered mine from amazon.com (not .co.jp) and they were delivered only a few days later.


edit: They also appear to pivot a bit closer to the cutting surfaces.

 

[RX-KING]

Hi everyone. Bought some cobra pliers not so long ago, it"s sure " tools from old world"[emoji16]

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[mr.lemons]

I have the CA-22 shears and mine are perfect; they don't have that odd issue on the pin. Also, they're not plated, that's bare metal on the machined surfaces. I was impressed with mine for the $ .
I bought mine online and they surprisingly shipped from China so they took a few weeks to arrive.

My CA-38 shears also arrived in perfect condition. I ordered mine from amazon.com (not .co.jp) and they were delivered only a few days later.


edit: They also appear to pivot a bit closer to the cutting surfaces.

Thanks for the info. Faults with the finish may be rare.

Hi everyone. Bought some cobra pliers not so long ago, it"s sure " tools from old world"

Nice shiny Heyco pliers

 

[mr.lemons]

Unior 1/2 M9 Ribe bit. No COO. Haven't been able to find out much about Unior other than they are a manufacturer based in Slovenia.

Ribe on the right next to a T50 torx on the left.

Maybe everyone knows about Ribe but I hadn't seen it before a recent repair on my car. Turns out you need them on Vauxhall cranks. Used the T50 torx bit as it was all I had and it worked ok. Now I've got the correct Ribe bit I will probably never need it again.

 

[Snakevz]

mr.lemons -lower part is probably made in Slovenia (their sockets are), but I'm not sure about ribe bit itself