Tools from the old world

[David Jackson]

I could not find this thread and so started another, unnecessary it turns out. I have a few things people might enjoy seeing.
The first is a small level from England. It turns out to be neither that rare nor that valuable but what made it appeal to me is the human element; someone had to take a little piece of wood, admittedly cut etc, not hand whittled or anything, and make sure the pieces fit in properly, drill some holes and put it all together. I would hate to see these made by robots!
The second item is a couple of German screwdrivers with transparent handles, you can see how far the steel goes.

 

[Cybermike]

I could not find this thread and so started another, unnecessary it turns out. I have a few thinks people might enjoy seeing.
The first is a small level from England. It turns out to be neither that rare nor that valuable but what made it appeal to me is the human element; someone had to take a little piece of wood, admittedly cut etc, not hand whittled or anything, and make sure the pieces fit in properly, drill some holes and put it all together. I would hate to see these made by robots!
goes.

That's not a tool! that's an piece of art:

 

[OMMP]

Bahco UL series wrench. As I have learned recently, in production from late sixties, to early seventies. Also, perceived as a humble quality series, that was used and intended to be used in simple problems solving situations.
This one was the only one I have found on the flea market, my main source in tool acquirements. Holes are for hanging the wrenches - could look cool as a drawer handle, though...

 

[heelsroll]

A nice collection of Beta tools followed me home. Older sets, still made in Italy.

The box needs a repaint but is solid. It looks like it was left in a wet shed and water got under the powder coat.

Tools include regular and flex T-handle sockets, a 1/4” and 1/2” ratchet, small bump hammer, 12” adjustable wrench, a complete selection of DOE wrenches, some combos and some offsets.

It was a great find at an estate auction. Only sorry the format didn’t allow me to learn anything of their history. A few of the tools still had price stickers on them in lire.

 

[OMMP]

This is double posting, as it went to Hazet thread...
Two old guys, but I am not sure how old: for Hazet true knower said it may well be as pre-WWII era. May it be same case with Bahco, also? Well, not exactly Bahco, as it has a.b. B. A. Horth & Co Stockholm Sverige, which stands for Bahco, really... other side has that Bahco, possibly very beginning of it, between two cromas, 14 mm for measure and 2114, I guess series or model, but seen as paired numbers, 21 could be one, as 14 my as well, again, be the measure.

 

[OMMP]

Belzer, here named Belzeryl. Recently there was sort of discussion about those adds on brands and meaning of it. Conclusion, or assumption, was that it was related to a material of the handles. This here is SAE hexagonal keys set, with largest 1/2 and smallest 1/32, which is not marked. Next to smallest key is marked, as 1/16.

 

[Jack84]

That’s a nice looking set, never seen that before.


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[OMMP]

Thanks, Jack. Could not find nothing on it. Waiting for Monte to put some light - hope this is bit shorter absence.

 

[mr.lemons]

The first is a small level from England. .

See them at flea markets here. May not be rare but they are still very awesome to admire/handle. They are a bit of a time capsule from days before mass produced plastic tat.

 

[thomfr]

A nice collection of Beta tools followed me home. Older sets, still made in Italy.

The box needs a repaint but is solid. It looks like it was left in a wet shed and water got under the powder coat.

Tools include regular and flex T-handle sockets, a 1/4” and 1/2” ratchet, small bump hammer, 12” adjustable wrench, a complete selection of DOE wrenches, some combos and some offsets.

It was a great find at an estate auction. Only sorry the format didn’t allow me to learn anything of their history. A few of the tools still had price stickers on them in lire.

Wow! Cool stuf!
I also love my Beta stuff (old and new) because of it's style and it's price/quality balance.

Thom

 

[heelsroll]

Wow! Cool stuf!
I also love my Beta stuff (old and new) because of it's style and it's price/quality balance.

Thom

Very nice! Love their tool carts.

 

[Puch]

A nice collection of Beta tools followed me home. Older sets, still made in Italy.

The box needs a repaint but is solid. It looks like it was left in a wet shed and water got under the powder coat.

Tools include regular and flex T-handle sockets, a 1/4” and 1/2” ratchet, small bump hammer, 12” adjustable wrench, a complete selection of DOE wrenches, some combos and some offsets.

It was a great find at an estate auction. Only sorry the format didn’t allow me to learn anything of their history. A few of the tools still had price stickers on them in lire.

Super cool!

 

[mr.lemons]

Wera Bit-Safe 61 empty textile case + Knipex 92 22 12 needle point tweezers.

Both arrived in clear bags. Wera label states 'Made in Taiwan.' No Coo on the tweezers.

Larger than my current bit case. I like that a textile case will survive a drop.

The case is also available complete with bits.
https://products.wera.de/en/bits_ho...-safes_universal_bit-safe_61_universal_1.html

The Knipex tweezers are 105mm long and have beveled edges where you squeeze them which I think is a nice touch.

Also picked up a used Bosch 12v 3/8" impact driver and non 'old world' sockets from Ebay. Sockets were made in the old world though. This thread is confusing sometimes. Driver and sockets were all in the same auction together.

I know it's not what it's designed for but I wanted to try the driver today and was curious if it would remove wheel nuts. Driver is rated at 115Nm, my car wheel nuts are at 140Nm. Vid is only one min long. Loud volume when using impact.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dnNP-BcRq2Q" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[mr.lemons]

New(?) from Felo.

Felo have some what I think are new tools on their homepage. Links are not working so no more info.



Is this 450 series new? I know they already have striking drivers. 550 with red/black handles.

 

[rice rocket]

That 12v 3/8 impact is a gem, love using it around the engine bay.

 

[mr.lemons]

No need to buy the Würth drivers any more I guess.

Do you know what the difference is between Ergonic and Frico?

 

[measuredtwice]

No need to buy the Würth drivers any more I guess.

Do you know what the difference is between Ergonic and Frico?

The Ergonic is squishy (see the cross section through the handle in the catalog image above). In contrast the Frico is hard with a rubber coating on top.

I gotta say that I do like the squishy Ergonic.

 

[mr.lemons]

^ Ah ok Thanks.

 

[upgrading]

I know it's not what it's designed for but I wanted to try the driver today and was curious if it would remove wheel nuts. Driver is rated at 115Nm, my car wheel nuts are at 140Nm. Vid is only one min long. Loud volume when using impact.

Nice vid.

Do you think it could take off all the lugs with just one battery ?

What was the strength of the battery after that one removed ?

 

[Reed Prince]

The Ergonic is squishy (see the cross section through the handle in the catalog image above). In contrast the Frico is hard with a rubber coating on top.

I gotta say that I do like the squishy Ergonic.

I have both styles of bit holding screwdriver and much prefer the Ergonic.

 

[mr.lemons]

Nice vid.

Do you think it could take off all the lugs with just one battery ?

What was the strength of the battery after that one removed ?

It could only remove 3 out of the 5 nuts initially. I fitted the nuts about two months ago without a torque wrench so don't know what torque they were at and don't know if nuts seize a bit over time. It could consistently remove freshly torqued nuts at 140Nm with a bit of a struggle. I removed and refitted nuts about 15 times including the fails and I think the battery was still showing as full. Will try again to confirm when I have some time.

 

[Qualitytools]

Wera Bit-Safe 61 empty textile case + Knipex 92 22 12 needle point tweezers.

Both arrived in clear bags. Wera label states 'Made in Taiwan.' No Coo on the tweezers.

Larger than my current bit case. I like that a textile case will survive a drop.

The case is also available complete with bits.
https://products.wera.de/en/bits_ho...-safes_universal_bit-safe_61_universal_1.html

The Knipex tweezers are 105mm long and have beveled edges where you squeeze them which I think is a nice touch.

Also picked up a used Bosch 12v 3/8" impact driver and non 'old world' sockets from Ebay. Sockets were made in the old world though. This thread is confusing sometimes. Driver and sockets were all in the same auction together.

I know it's not what it's designed for but I wanted to try the driver today and was curious if it would remove wheel nuts. Driver is rated at 115Nm, my car wheel nuts are at 140Nm. Vid is only one min long. Loud volume when using impact.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dnNP-BcRq2Q" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Impressive, although I have heard that the Bosch 12V system in general is very highly thought of. Thanks for sharing!

 

[mr.lemons]

Used Stahlwille 4008 ratchet screwdriver. Think it has 12 teeth.

The deep knurling (forgot what straight knurling is called) is very effective. Imagine it would work well with oily fingers.

No idea where it was made or if Stahlwille made these. It does have 'Germany' written on it.

 

[JBH]

Used Stahlwille 4008 ratchet screwdriver. Think it has 12 teeth.

The deep knurling (forgot what straight knurling is called) is very effect. Imagine it would work well with oily fingers.

No idea where it was made or if Stahlwille made these. It does have 'Germany' written on it.

That’s a Schröder. They also made Witte’s “BitDrive” ratcheting screwdrivers and one for Sears that had a really comfortable convertible pistol handle.

 

[mr.lemons]

That's the discontinued version.

Yes.

That’s a Schröder. They also made Witte’s “BitDrive” ratcheting screwdrivers and one for Sears that had a really comfortable convertible pistol handle.

Thank you sir

 

[mr.lemons]

Plumbers/Electricians trade show in Manchester England.

Not much of a turn out because of the flipping virus and everybody was obsessively cleaning their hands but still a fun morning. Not really any different than last year so the pics are pretty much the same too.

Hitachi/Hikoki

Draper

Ox

Dewalt, Stanley, Irwin.

Megger

Test Instrument Solutions

CK

Hultafors. First time I've seen a Hultafors booth. Have been eyeing up their hammers so it was good to see them in the flesh. Great so see some 'Made in Britain' Fisco tape measures. Would have purchased one to support Queen and Country but they only had metric.

Milwaukee booth is always good because they lay out a lot of their power tools with fresh batteries and they are not tied down so you can have a good play.

Knipex. They did not have the new 100mm Cobra xs on show. They said it will be available in April/May. Apparently the jaws on the new 100mm Cobra have larger capacity than the 125mm Cobra. They said that they had handled one and that the open/close mechanism works more like an Alligator as it's too small to accomodate a button.

Wera.

Wera had a turbo driver and one of the new Joker adjustable spanners on display but not for sale. They said both will be available in a couple of weeks.

The new Joker feels really good. It has a weighty, quality feel to it. Sprung jaws so does not rattle and I found it instantly easy to use. There was a plastic block with some bolts in that you can test the tools on. The Joker snaps onto the bolt and the sprung jaws work like a ratchet. 10-13mm is definitely limited but if you happen to have a job or use which uses these sizes and don't want to carry three ratchet spanners then I can see some people liking it. I want one (but have no use). A rep demoed the Turbo driver so I did not get to try it. Not sure of the application for it as you need to use two hands to operate it.

I know it's their job to be nice and to sell to customers but it should be said that the Wera guys were exceptionally friendly and helpful. Even when it was obvious that I was not there to buy they continued to be enthusiastic and were happy to bring out the new products for me to take pics of.

F4P. Posted about these guys before. They sell Klein tools here. They have a Cobra copy and I could not figure out how they worked until a rep showed me. He said they have been available for a long time so maybe they are well known under a different brand but I had not seen the design before.

Designed for one handed use. Short vid to show how it works.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7z0Q3tolYXM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[upgrading]

Good pics.

Thanks.

 

[OMMP]

Thanks, mr.lemons - if there is anything more, just keep it coming

 

[OMMP]

Today. I do not know how good or authentic this catch is. Allegedly, it came from Austria. I have bought it off a guy that has scrap yard - so it could has come in a car. I just have not found nothing on it - took it out of hope it is VBW Waggon - Waggonit... Read here that Waggon was mark - along with small train car stamped on a tool - for a German state railways. I hope so. Meantime, they look - cheap. Sturdy, heavy, ugly - and maybe made of a soft steel. Mouth is - took some pics - by some slightly deformed - flashes as it has been used. Chromed inside is intact. Not a real kill - in fact, could paid it just too much. Oh, where is Monte?

 

[mr.lemons]

It works the same way as the Knipex SmartGrip "Cobras":

https://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1368&groupID=1499

Sort of. The F4P pliers click/ratchet as you close them so the jaws stay at the setting you choose and require two hands to open them up again. Looks like the Knipex are true one handed use and spring open.

 

[Matt XYZ]

Grabbed a set of Lux NWS 100 year anniversary pliers and lanyard from the clearance shelf at OBI.

 

[Matt XYZ]

How much were they?

30 Euros for the set, reduced from 40. I was in another Obi a few days ago and they were full price so it might depend on the store.

 

[Qualitytools]

Plumbers/Electricians trade show in Manchester England.

Not much of a turn out because of the flipping virus and everybody was obsessively cleaning their hands but still a fun morning. Not really any different than last year so the pics are pretty much the same too.

Hitachi/Hikoki

Draper

Ox

Dewalt, Stanley, Irwin.

Megger

Test Instrument Solutions

CK

Hultafors. First time I've seen a Hultafors booth. Have been eyeing up their hammers so it was good to see them in the flesh. Great so see some 'Made in Britain' Fisco tape measures. Would have purchased one to support Queen and Country but they only had metric.

Milwaukee booth is always good because they lay out a lot of their power tools with fresh batteries and they are not tied down so you can have a good play.

Knipex. They did not have the new 100mm Cobra xs on show. They said it will be available in April/May. Apparently the jaws on the new 100mm Cobra have larger capacity than the 125mm Cobra. They said that they had handled one and that the open/close mechanism works more like an Alligator as it's too small to accomodate a button.

Wera.

Wera had a turbo driver and one of the new Joker adjustable spanners on display but not for sale. They said both will be available in a couple of weeks.

The new Joker feels really good. It has a weighty, quality feel to it. Sprung jaws so does not rattle and I found it instantly easy to use. There was a plastic block with some bolts in that you can test the tools on. The Joker snaps onto the bolt and the sprung jaws work like a ratchet. 10-13mm is definitely limited but if you happen to have a job or use which uses these sizes and don't want to carry three ratchet spanners then I can see some people liking it. I want one (but have no use). A rep demoed the Turbo driver so I did not get to try it. Not sure of the application for it as you need to use two hands to operate it.

I know it's their job to be nice and to sell to customers but it should be said that the Wera guys were exceptionally friendly and helpful. Even when it was obvious that I was not there to buy they continued to be enthusiastic and were happy to bring out the new products for me to take pics of.

F4P. Posted about these guys before. They sell Klein tools here. They have a Cobra copy and I could not figure out how they worked until a rep showed me. He said they have been available for a long time so maybe they are well known under a different brand but I had not seen the design before.

Designed for one handed use. Short vid to show how it works.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7z0Q3tolYXM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thanks for sharing! This would be a very dangerous place for me to go as I would go broke. Must resist, Must resist

 

[mr.lemons]

Quick look at the Wera bit safe 61.

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[Monte]

The bag for the bit adapter said made in Taiwan. It looks no different from their German socketry. COO snobs may be offended. I’m happy with the great quality and lower price (6 or 7 bucks). The retainer ball held on by outer clip keeps the bit very stable in the holder.

Gedore "Red" or "Blue" ?

Today. I do not know how good or authentic this catch is. Allegedly, it came from Austria. I have bought it off a guy that has scrap yard - so it could has come in a car. I just have not found nothing on it - took it out of hope it is VBW Waggon - Waggonit... Read here that Waggon was mark - along with small train car stamped on a tool - for a German state railways. I hope so. Meantime, they look - cheap. Sturdy, heavy, ugly - and maybe made of a soft steel. Mouth is - took some pics - by some slightly deformed - flashes as it has been used. Chromed inside is intact. Not a real kill - in fact, could paid it just too much. Oh, where is Monte?

Looks like VBW....the burrs could be from broaching the open end...

Plumbers/Electricians trade show in Manchester England.

Thanks for the pics !






Stihl chain saw chain file set

 

[Trucky]

Hello Monte.. looking at German pattern engineers hammers... any idea if Gedore and Picard have some crossover? (One making hammers for the other?) or if they are separate...

this style is what I'm talking about: https://piehtoolco.com/contents/en-us/p6688.html


I like the look of Gedore's Induction Hardened hammers quite a lot.

 

[Monte]

Hello Monte.. looking at German pattern engineers hammers... any idea if Gedore and Picard have some crossover? (One making hammers for the other?) or if they are separate...

this style is what I'm talking about: https://piehtoolco.com/contents/en-us/p6688.html


I like the look of Gedore's Induction Hardened hammers quite a lot.

Gedore makes their own hammers (formerly "Habero")

Picard makes their own hammers too:
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[JBH]

Gedore "Red" or "Blue" ?

Doch Blau!


https://www.kctoolco.com/gedore-620-bit-adaptor-1-4-1-4/

 

[101% Loko]

NOS Pliers Belzer and Bachert

 

[Monte]

Doch Blau!


https://www.kctoolco.com/gedore-620-bit-adaptor-1-4-1-4/

can´t believe it
Mine looks like in the picture....and it´s from Germany...the one in the video looks foreign.....
https://www.kctoolco.com/gedore-620...n=1011897.iqsneu9&subid=k7thxubn410025g3058mf









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