Tools from the old world

[Private Lugnutz]

Guys,

Here's a couple close-ups (slightly different angles) of that marking on the wedge-adjust wrench I was asking about a bunch of pages ago....

I see...

H A C _ M E R
S C _ _ _ E N
GE _ _ _ _ Y

Assuming the last word is possibly Germany

Anybody recognize what it might be?

 

[Reed Prince]

Saw this big pair of Cobras on TV today.

 

[OMMP]

Guys,

Here's a couple close-ups (slightly different angles) of that marking on the wedge-adjust wrench I was asking about a bunch of pages ago....

I see...

H A C _ M E R
S C _ _ _ E N
GE _ _ _ _ Y

Assuming the last word is possibly Germany

Anybody recognize what it might be?

You're riddley one, aren't you Lugz?
As I recall, I answered but made a mistake - you just typed as you were told to. Well, not my pair of socks, but it seems, just seems as a Haßemer, middle may be Solingen, 'cause it seems the letters are smaller.

 

[CGarage]

Two Swiss Mil Surplus hammers
- Engineer’s Hammer, 300 Gram head
- Rubber Mallet

 

[kjbenner]

Guys,

Here's a couple close-ups (slightly different angles) of that marking on the wedge-adjust wrench I was asking about a bunch of pages ago....

I see...

H A C _ M E R
S C _ _ _ E N
GE _ _ _ _ Y

Assuming the last word is possibly Germany

Anybody recognize what it might be?

I think that's

HACOMER
SOLINGEN
GERMANY

I don't know the company, but it looks like there's knives out there with that stamp, seems to match what you have.

 

[OMMP]

Oh, yeah, guess we got a winner! I have tried with a Hacomer - along with others - it started with a various non-tool suggestions. Most likely, case closed.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

HACOMER
SOLINGEN
GERMANY

Thanks, kj.

 

[Qualitytools]

isn't this Forum Great for helping each other out and solving mysteries

 

[upgrading]

Nice Husky Ax.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

isn't this Forum Great for helping each other out and solving mysteries

It is.

Now let's see if anyone can get the second part of the mystery. The same tool (Pic 1) has a second mark (Pic 2 & 3).

Who knows German and Germany well? Given the SOLINGEN, could the "S" in the "SUL" marking be Solingen? And if so, might this be the initials of some kind of industrial association or collective in Solingen? It was a center for manufacturing, especially edged tools, and apparently some wrenches. Perhaps a stamp of approval?

Or a steel composition perhaps?

Any other ideas?

 

[OMMP]

That stamping being stylized, it may also mean, though as old as it is, something other - for starters, I guess I can see stamping better on first pic. To me, it doesn't look as Sul... Or Sül... Let's see that there is elongated upper part of S - as it was meant to be a part of another letter. Also, i think that right before l there is h; could be Stahl, overall, german for steel. Again, this is pure speculation - best logic would be some institution that this manufacturer was part of, or depended of.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

could be Stahl, overall, german for steel.

I could get behind that theory.

 

[Cynical huckster]

The new arrival. CAP impact wrenches with 1/2" square drive.



CAP makes their hydraulic impact wrenches in Italy, but these are very specific and very expensive tools to keep them in stock. Pneumatic impact wrenches are made in Taiwan and have good value for money.

So far I have ordered only two models to test the market reaction. The forwarder delivered them yesterday evening, so I don't have any feedback from my customers yet.

 

[Monte]

It is.

Now let's see if anyone can get the second part of the mystery. The same tool (Pic 1) has a second mark (Pic 2 & 3).

Who knows German and Germany well? Given the SOLINGEN, could the "S" in the "SUL" marking be Solingen? And if so, might this be the initials of some kind of industrial association or collective in Solingen? It was a center for manufacturing, especially edged tools, and apparently some wrenches. Perhaps a stamp of approval?

Or a steel composition perhaps?

Any other ideas?

The only "SUL" brand i found is this: http://www.sul-schloesser.de/
"Scheibe & Langenbach" (& = "und"). Trademark registered in 1930.
But they´re from Wuppertal and not Solingen...and it seems they make locks...








Car window cleaning tool
http://www.max4car.de/

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The only "SUL" brand i found is this: http://www.sul-schloesser.de/
"Scheibe & Langenbach" (& = "und"). Trademark registered in 1930.
But they´re from Wuppertal and not Solingen...and it seems they make locks...

Thanks for the legwork, Monte.

 

[Trucky]

GEDORE IH-600 Engineers' Hammer from Amazon : )

handle is a little thin at the bottom for my liking but. I guess I'll see how she performs after we smack around a few things.

I REALLY want one of their ball-peins.. but gosh are they expensive here... $60-70. yuck

 

[Monte]

Thanks for the legwork, Monte.

I REALLY want one of their ball-peins.. but gosh are they expensive here... $60-70. yuck

Which ones do you want ? The old style with machined head or the new style ?










Jonsered tool belt with lifting hook and lifting tongs

 

[mr.lemons]

Stahlwille Group - Highlights 2020

'We would have liked to welcome you at the hardware fair in Cologne, but unfortunately this year it was not possible. The good news is, however, that we can today show you the new products from the STAHLWILLE Group in a rather different way. Our special highlights page shows you in a clear, concise manner what tool solutions you can look forward to.'

https://www.stahlwille.de/en/products/highlights-2020/

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Release button on the bit ratchet seams like good idea.

 

[Trucky]

Which ones do you want ? The old style with machined head or the new style ?

Either the (suspected to be Rather Old) blue or current gray-ish hammertone finish..

 

[upgrading]

Jonsered tool belt with lifting hook and lifting tongs

Nice.
So more of a "Fallers" belt than a mechanics tool belt ?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Just to close the loop on the tiny HACOMER wedge-adjustable wrenches made in Solingen, Germany, here are some photos of both wrenches together and also how the dynamic jaw tension spring is pinned. And then I will drop the subject.

 

[JBH]

I found this Wiha Topra torque screwdriver/socket kit (approx 2Nm to 8Nm) a couple weeks ago. In-lb calibration is annoying, but the internet can do conversions. I bought it thinking I could use it on the go, but obviously there's no "go" for the foreseeable future:

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Dynamic Handle (spinner cap like a precision driver) is an interesting choice - bits are standard 1/4” not 6mm. I think the idea is you spin the fastener in quickly most of the way and then torque it correctly. Most of the bits are printed rather than stamped, so I assume Vietnamese.

I really like the torque adjustment - the handle has a bitholder magazine that doubles as an adjustment crank.

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Sockets are presumably Taiwanese. They’re not Heyco, and they’re also quite different from my Wiha retention-spring sockets or any other Wiha-branding sockets I’ve seen.

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Range is a little less than the Facom I've had for a while and generally like. Scale of Stahlwille below is Ncm, so much lower. There is technically a gap in range between Stahlwille and Facom/Wiha.

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[mr.lemons]

Empty Gedore case from Ebay to be repurposed for general tool storage.

Not what I want to do here but I thought it could be fun to make a custom inlay to house a modern 1/2" socket set in a vintage case but I tried some current Gedore sockets in the case and found that the lid hits the sockets and does not fully close. Older sockets must have been a bit shallower.

 

[Trucky]

I love those metal cases! Perfect for a big assortment of punches or just generally "all-steel" stuff that won't mind a little bouncing around...

Also, something about that blue is just very appealing. their tool carts are visually great though I've never worked with one in person: https://www.kctoolco.com/gedore-1580-tool-trolley-with-4-drawers/

 

[mr.lemons]

Been looking for a Gedore cart for a while, missed out on this one on Ebay recently. Sold for £113 ($133)

 

[Spanner]

Been looking for a Gedore cart for a while, missed out on this one on Ebay recently. Sold for £113 ($133)

I live in Spain and I see these Gedore carts coming up for sale regularly second hand and quite reasonable. If you knew anyone here that drives across they could transport for you. Obviously at the current time we are all on lockdown but it’s m sure we will get back to normality soon.


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[Joao]

 

[Trucky]

think those Bahco's are the heavy duty models with the striking caps on them.. I've only tried their older Ergo line out, but those look pretty tough. are they made in Spain?

 

[Cynical huckster]

Speaking of Bahco, is it true that their pliers are made in China now?

 

[Trucky]

Speaking of Bahco, is it true that their pliers are made in China now?

I believe some of those simpler models are... but most of the stuff with fancy grips, etc. are from Spain or Argentina still in my experience

 

[Joao]

Yes Trucky they are the heavy duty model.

 

[mr.lemons]

This was posted on their Facebook page last month. Thought it was interesting that they say 'Europe' rather than the country.

'Get a grip with our Ergo™ combination pliers! Made in Europe with precision and quality.'

 

[mr.lemons]

Used today - ShaperCraft riveter. Made in England.

 

[Joao]

They are made in spain i think.I´m not 100% sure.

 

[Joao]

This was posted on their Facebook page last month. Thought it was interesting that they say 'Europe' rather than the country.

'Get a grip with our Ergo™ combination pliers! Made in Europe with precision and quality.'

They are made in spain i think.I´m not 100% sure.

 

[OMMP]

I have couple of new Bahco's pliers, unused, new, unpackaged really, so there is COO - on two of them, side cutters and combination pliers is Spain - region of Basque country - three others - cable cutter, light duty cutter and angled narrow head is chinese.

 

[Dave455]

This was posted on their Facebook page last month. Thought it was interesting that they say 'Europe' rather than the country.

'Get a grip with our Ergo™ combination pliers! Made in Europe with precision and quality.'

Note also, the cunning use of language. They say that they are a European manufacturer, not that these particular items are actually made there. There is a difference...!

Personally, I’ve always considered these Bahco pliers to be ‘middle of the road’ quality wise. I probably wouldn’t bother with ‘em when you can get Knipex for similar money!

 

[mrspeed]

think those Bahco's are the heavy duty models with the striking caps on them.. I've only tried their older Ergo line out, but those look pretty tough. are they made in Spain?

I have these as well, the heavy duty Irazola screwdrivers from Bahco. They are made in Spain.

Speaking of Bahco, is it true that their pliers are made in China now?

I have a lot of different pliers from Bahco, and they almost always list the COO on the back of the cardboard packaging when you get them with retail packaging. Different models have different COOs. Across the different pliers and cutters I have from Bahco, they're made in Spain, France, Germany, Argentina, and China. I would say most of them are from Spain.

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[Cynical huckster]

Thank you all for the answers, guys. The problem is that I was out of business for almost a year and a half due to serious health problems. So I didn't sell Bahco for a while. But when I saw their pliers last time, the COO wasn't indicated there at all

 

[OMMP]

Hard to know anything more than just having... assumptions. We are buying tools that have COO stamped/etched - but any country, anybody, anyone - can put what the hell wants... So, there is just intuition/feeling about it. Well, I have, also, some combo Bahco Made in France, but they are older type, have Bahco pruning shears Pradines, Made in France... But, probably nowadays, great deal of their tools is manufactured - far, far east. There is more than few examples of bending the rules regarding COO.