Tools from the old world

[superautobacs]

JBH has got it right.

Most of the Hazet L keys are, I believe, made by Inbus. I don’t own any but I’ve used them, and they clearly say “Made in Germany”. The L Keys supplied in this set look different to me.

Since INbus hex keys came up, it reminded me of my experience with this set:

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I was rather turned off when I saw how poorly some of these were machined!

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Rothenberger is a pipe/plumbing supplier. These pliers are made by Gedore (or from the same company that makes Gedore pliers). In red, they couldn't be any more of a rip off of Knipex. Found them cheapish so giving them a try.

no kidding on that!

 

[pizza]

interesting, lemons. i have the 150, 180, and 250mm pliers wrenches but could be interested in picking up one or two more. i've been wondering who makes the best 'off brand' (hopefully less expensive) version. lmk if you like those.

 

[Dave455]

Since INbus hex keys came up, it reminded me of my experience with this set:


I was rather turned off when I saw how poorly some of these were machined!

I remember when you posted those pictures before. I wasn’t impressed.

The Hazet hex keys I saw were not a bad as that (as far as I can recall) and I think they said “Made in Germany”, but I could be wrong. They were older though.

All of this supports the view I’ve held for some time, that it’s very unwise to get all your tools from the same manufacturer (even if you could). Different firms do different things well.

For hex keys, which I use a lot, I believe PB Swiss to be the best, but I quite like the Wera as well. I find them to be very “real world” practical, and there’s a huge variety on offer. Stainless shown. The regular (U.S. made) Bondhus and Eklind are fine too.

I’m slightly surprised that Hazet, who offer hex bit sockets that are among the very best (tougher than Snap On) are prepared to put their name to such mediocre tools as these.

 

[rice rocket]

I was rather turned off when I saw how poorly some of these were machined!

That sums up my experience w/ Hazet stuff.

Worn out molds aplenty, even their combination wrenches are full of voids, which while I haven't broken anything, doesn't inspire confidence.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

After the recommendation on p. 1627 I bought the Cejn safety connectors - thank you!

What are good tin snips? I do need a set of left, right and straight cutting ones.

 

[Monte]

What are good tin snips? I do need a set of left, right and straight cutting ones.

I have/had tin snips from Erdi (D29 and older versions of D16), NWS, Würth, Format and Midwest. The best (imho) is the Format. it´s a rebadged Bessey D17. It cut easier than the others.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B003YCFRT0/

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B008OGZYWG/

 

[E.T.]

has anyone ever tried out azde's prime free trial? not azus prime.

i'm wondering if it has any impact on de -> us shipping costs. obviously it has benefits for shopping inside of de, but could it also help international shoppers like me save?

I have, makes zero difference

 

[pizza]

thanks ET!

 

[Jack84]

Gedore ratchet wrench adapters.







I like the knurled ring.


Sent from my iPhone using Garage Journal

 

[Cybermike]

Just found out that it's a very easy process to buy spare parts from Bosch, even for discontinued tools. Maybe the same with most brands.

Enter product number of tool here
https://www.boschtoolservice.com/gb/en/boschdiy/spareparts/search

Pick the part from a nice diagram. Pay more than you'd like to and wait two days to get the part.

Good job mr.lemons Nice service from Bosch.

In The Netherlands we have this company: https://www.kruis.nl/onderdelen/

Takes more than 2 days to get the parts but the list is enormous.

I love it if you can fix (old) tools instead of throwing them away.

 

[LG63]

I’m looking for some input on Gedore wire crimpers. I know a few of their crimpers are rebadged Pressmaster but the 8155 and 8157 crimping pliers don’t appear to match up with any brand I’ve come across.

Just wondering if Gedore makes any of their own crimpers?

 

[Cybermike]

After the recommendation on p. 1627 I bought the Cejn safety connectors - thank you!

What are good tin snips? I do need a set of left, right and straight cutting ones.

I have/had tin snips from Erdi (D29 and older versions of D16), NWS, Würth, Format and Midwest. The best (imho) is the Format. it´s a rebadged Bessey D17. It cut easier than the others.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B003YCFRT0/

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B008OGZYWG/

Sopomarkt24 (Sonderposten markt...) on Ebay sells the Bessey for a good price. Watch the Auktion for more tools. Does not send outside Germany!

https://www.ebay.de/str/sopomarkt24?_bkw=bessey

 

[Monte]

I’m looking for some input on Gedore wire crimpers. I know a few of their crimpers are rebadged Pressmaster but the 8155 and 8157 crimping pliers don’t appear to match up with any brand I’ve come across.

Just wondering if Gedore makes any of their own crimpers?

The others are made by Wezag in Germany. https://www.wezag.de/en/tool/crimping-tool-ck-90/
High quality crimping tools.

 

[LG63]

The others are made by Wezag in Germany. https://www.wezag.de/en/tool/crimping-tool-ck-90/
High quality crimping tools.

Thanks! I would have never found that on my own.

 

[pozidriv]

Buying crimp tools from Gedore is oddly enough usually significantly cheaper than from other brands or even the OEM. Here at least..

That gedore 8157, had me thinking. Is there a reason for two dimples on the uninsulated terminals, instead of one? I think I read it here somewhere, but can't find it.

 

[LG63]

Buying crimp tools from Gedore is oddly enough usually significantly cheaper than from other brands or even the OEM. Here at least..

That gedore 8157, had me thinking. Is there a reason for two dimples on the uninsulated terminals, instead of one? I think I read it here somewhere, but can't find it.

Just a guess but maybe the two dimples are to make a somewhat "W" shaped cross section crimp like on an open barrel crimp.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Maybe this helps to shed light into the Knipex crimp ideas:
Pdf.

It is in German only as the one from the American website shows the wrong plier.

 

[mr.lemons]

Not sure how people feel about posting promos/ads here. Posting with good intentions for someone to get a nice Christmas present from Hazet. Hopefully me.

Win a Hazet workshop trolley 179 NX-7/137

Play spot the difference and submit an email address.

http://www.hazet.de/santatools/gewinnspiel

 

[Qualitytools]

^ thanks Mr. Lemons!

 

[pizza]

i just entered. i'd flip my lid if i won that, lol.

thanks lemons

 

[Dave455]

Me too! That would be an awesome Xmas present to myself. Think it would have to go in the sitting room...!

Thanks for sharing Mr. Lemons. Your own chances of winning are reducing with everyone else who enters...!

 

[mr.lemons]

Had some fun with a Wolf 2 stroke auger today, drilling fence posts. No idea if it's a good example of a petrol auger or a cheap one, but it was very effective. Could not find a COO.

+ got some use out of a recently purchased Stahlwille ratchet. Low tooth count and a little battered, but pretty smooth. Liking the hard handle.

Spotted these on amazon. Never seen rebranded Wera before. I think they are turquoise coloured. Screwfox

 

[Kedukettu]

Spotted these on amazon. Never seen rebranded Wera before. I think they are turquoise coloured. Screwfox

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Ive seen wisent branded wera screwdrivers.

Lähetetty minun S62 Pro laitteesta Tapatalkilla

 

[mr.lemons]

Recent purchases.

Elliott Lucas 8" combination pliers. I've been looking out for a pair in good condition with intact handle covers and undamaged cutting edges for ages.

Cutting edges not so good.

Parkside wood and masonry drills. Keep hearing good things about these when compared to other cheap drills. Not expecting much.

Labels have 'Germany' printed on them in two places, so they must be good.

 

[mr.lemons]

Würth multi-bit driver.

Short vid. (Pronounced Würth wrong. Force of habit. )

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Speetog Elect locking pliers.

Short vid.

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After making the vid, I looked up the English patent.

GB Patent: GB-576,142

Applied: Mar. 06, 1944
Granted: Mar. 20, 1946

Edgar Dale Ball - Horsley Woodhouse, Near Derby, Derby County, Great Britain
Frederick George Taylor - Pinner, Middlesex, Great Britain

Screw adjustment to set jaw width; "over-center" toggle lock to set the clamp. The jaws remain parallel. An "L" shaped pivoted piece at the end of the movable handle is the release.

The patent shows and describes a release lever. I cannot find any photos of the tool with a lever. Not sure if it was ever implemented. There are no obvious attachment points that would suggest that a lever was once fitted.

Bahco multi-bit screwdriver.

I assume it's NOS. Seller on UK has a load of them.

Short vid

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[mr.lemons]

Sorry, spamming the thread a bit.

Has anyone been to a Würth store? One just opened nearish to me. Wondering if they have tools on display to handle and if you need a Würth trade card?

 

[mr.lemons]

Bahco multi-bit screwdriver.

I assume it's NOS. Seller on UK ebay has a load of them.

Short vid

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[designer485]

NOS Irazola Screwdrivers. Made in Spain.

Looks like Irazola was swallowed up by Snap-on Europe and these are now being branded by Williams.

 

[upgrading]

The Wurth, Bahco and Irazola drivers all look nice.

 

[Kandyman]

Greetings to all those gathered. I've had some dramatic changes in life, but I'm back in line and happy to see you all. Your posts and photos give me plentiful food to analyze and think about tools. I also recently acquired some interesting passages. Hiking is a clone of NWS and are called Apro Fulcrum. Quality is decent for the house. So far, I can say that. True, there is a gap of about mm between the sponges so keeping thin sheets tight is a little problematic. But they conveniently lie in the hand and help to unscrew fasteners very well. See the photos and judge for yourself.

 

[mr.lemons]

Not a big surprise, Parkside drills are not very good. The wood drills worked well enough for what I was doing, but the masonry drills are poor. First hole went ok, but it struggled after that. Switched to a Dewalt bit which cut with less effort and kept going all day.

 

[Dave455]

Not a big surprise, Parkside drills are not very good. The wood drills worked well enough for what I was doing, but the masonry drills are poor. First hole went ok, but it struggled after that. Switched to a Dewalt bit which cut with less effort and kept going all day.

I don’t bother with cheap drill bits at all.

I’ve used them from time to time and they’re never really up to it

The cheapest usable ones I’ve found are the Reisser. Taiwanese I believe but o.k. - certainly for non demanding woodworking.

Ruko are a better choice. Made in Czech Republic I think. These are not bad, and my first choice for general purpose.

For metalworking I use Presto, Guhring, or whatever’s best value among the decent drills. It’s worth watching out for offers. Zoro recently had Guhring for sub £17 - you can’t get Ruko for that.

I don’t bother using anything other than a conventional HSS drill for woodworking. None of them seem to work any better, and some of them, Bosch come to mind, leave about the worst hole you can get. I keep a set of drills up just for woodworking so they stay sharp.

 

[mr.lemons]

Yeah, hoped the lidl bits might be a bargain, good enough for a couple of days use. Live and learn. Happy to have tried them though, so I now know first-hand why it's worth paying a bit more.

Knipex bottle opener.

https://knipexfans.shop/Zuhause-und...ml?force_sid=3f5887ba3e2218d967497bb87e762687

 

[mr.lemons]

Würth 600 002 wire strippers. Same as Knipex 12 42 195. Made by Rennsteig.

Got these really cheap on eBay and was very interested to compare £90 strippers to my £20 Jokari. They feel like they are made of similar plastic to the Jokari and weigh near enough the same. Red part is rubber and feels comfortable. It's not immediately obvious to me why the Würth are so much more expensive. They have replaceable blades so maybe more economical over time.

Main difference I can see between the two is the shape of the blades. Würth have straight/flat blades, Jokari have rounded V shape blades.

Short vid comparing Würth flat blades to Jokari V shaped blades.

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[Dave455]

Cutting edges not so good.

I think you will find that is deliberate.

The idea is that you cut fine stuff near the tip, where the edges meet, and heavier stuff nearer the hinge, where they are stronger.

Snap on advertise some of their pliers with the same feature.

 

[mr.lemons]

Interesting. I have another, more worn pair that look similar so you may be on to something.

 

[mr.lemons]

RS Crimpers. Made by Pressmaster, Sweden.

Purchased as a set, used from ebay.

£70 strippers (new price) compared to £10 strippers.

The Pressmaster ratcheting mechanism is smoother/quieter, and they look and feel better quality over all. I assume the main difference between the two will be durability, but I do wonder if one pressed metal tool can be significantly more durable than another pressed metal tool.

Pressmaster edges are nicely finished compared to the rough edges on the Silverline.

Pressmaster has a removable plastic cover on the top, covering the spring.

Silverline dies are stepped (not symmetrical) so the crimp connectors have to be oriented one way only.

Pressmaster are not stepped, so I think connectors can be inserted either way.

Most importantly, how well do they crimp, and does one crimp better than the other?

Left is Silverline. I tried multiple times and found the Pressmaster makes marginally neater results, but there is not much in it.

Tug o war to see which crimp is strongest. Embarrassingly, I couldn't pull off either, so consider them both functional crimped connections.

I don't really like crimping without solder so not an expert. Have used the Silverline for a few years without issue, beyond not trusting crimp connections. I don't think that the Pressmaster add any functionality to be worth the extra cost. Would be different if I used them every day.

 

[mazdeuce]

Yeah, hoped the lidl bits might be a bargain, good enough for a couple of days use. Live and learn. Happy to have tried them though, so I now know first-hand why it's worth paying a bit more.

Knipex bottle opener.

https://knipexfans.shop/Zuhause-und...ml?force_sid=3f5887ba3e2218d967497bb87e762687

Couldn't get the site to let me enter a US address. Dangit.

 

[Kasal]

NOS Irazola Screwdrivers. Made in Spain.

Looks like Irazola was swallowed up by Snap-on Europe and these are now being branded by Williams.

I've had them for years under the Bahco name, they won't let you down

 

[Dave455]

Interesting. I have another, more worn pair that look similar so you may be on to something.

Yes, I have a couple the same, both from a similar era, so I’m sure it was a “feature”.

I have some older pliers that have normal parallel cutters, and also some from other ranges (such as Elect) that also do, so maybe it was something they only did for a while.

I also have snipe nose pliers from various era’s that all have parallel cutters too.