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Anybody recognize the maker of the left wrench? I have several with that mark but have no idea who made them
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That is the old Soviet wrench, made in USSR.
I don't know who the manufacturer is.
Quality wrench with poor finishing.
 
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Trying to resist buying a Cadet and Electrician. Don't want to start buying SAKs. :oops:

Just jump to the front of the line and get their Swisstool. I recently bought the Spirit model because my dumb *** forgot to remove my Leatherman Signal from a carry on bag after a road trip…and now it’s TSA’s Signal. I’d say quality is comparable, but Swisstool is more comfortable in the hand when used as pliers. Also, only one finish available! :)
 

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Just jump to the front of the line and get their Swisstool. I recently bought the Spirit model because my dumb *** forgot to remove my Leatherman Signal from a carry on bag after a road trip…and now it’s TSA’s Signal. I’d say quality is comparable, but Swisstool is more comfortable in the hand when used as pliers. Also, only one finish available! :)
Swisstools are the best. The tools open from the outside, open easily, everything locks open, the screwdrivers are actually usable (especially the wide flathead, perfect for opening industrial electrical enclosures), there's a metric and standard ruler, and it's polished stainless so you can check for **** in your teeth.

The full-sized versions are heavy but well worth it, IMO.
 

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Will (MADE IN GERMANY) pliers, 1000 V handle insulation. Can anyone tell me something about the quality of this manufacturer? What is the quality compared to Knipex pliers?
 

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Tool fair in Coventry, UK. 14-15th Sept.


It's electrician/builder/plumber focused. No mechanic's stuff, but obviously some tools are used by all trades. Free parking and entrance. Basically a pop-up tool shop with many tools out on display that you are encouraged to handle/play with. It's a smallish fair with only a few brands. Notably, Milwaukee, Knipex, Wera, Makita, Hikoki, Dewalt. Reps are there to sell, so can be a bit pushy, but mostly very friendly. Supposed to be for trade, but anyone can go. Just pick any trade on the registration form. I'm sure everybody's money is welcome, no matter what you do for a living. I wouldn't say it's worth travelling any great distance to go, but worth a visit for anyone in the Coventry area. Maybe even smaller than usual due to covid. :dunno:

Pics from pre covid. Posted previously.

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It only gets dangerous when you start collecting the colours…499ACD38-D0CA-46D8-B963-D106096FD15D.jpeg
Is there a place to buy the different colours at a reasonable price, or do you just have to jump on them when they are available? I'd like a black cadet, but the only one I can find is £47.95, compared to £21 for a standard silver one.
 

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Is there a place to buy the different colours at a reasonable price, or do you just have to jump on them when they are available? I'd like a black cadet, but the only one I can find is £47.95, compared to £21 for a standard silver one.
There’s normally a small premium for the non standard colours, but if it’s too much I don’t pay it.

There are a few ways to obtain them. One way is to acquire the limited editions when they come out. I tend to do this, as the price isn’t too loaded, provided I like the colour..! The limited editions are a fairly new thing though, and only a small selection of colours have been offered.

Another way is to buy from a dealer who orders a batch in a specific colour from Victorinox. To do this the dealer needs to be knowledgable enough to know how, and keen enough to do it. This eliminates most British dealers. www.knivesandtools.co.uk usually have a basic selection, but they seem to be expensive at present. www.schweizermesser-shop.de offer some more vibrant colours. There are a couple of U.S. dealers who are excellent too, such as www.knifecenter.com but I only tend to use them if in, or going to be in, the U.S.

The disadvantage of this is that the knives now tend to be marked with the dealers logo. Usually on the scales, sometimes on the blade. I dislike the former and won’t buy the latter ever! Probably 95% of my knives are unmarked, and they have mostly been acquired by method three, which is…

Wherever you go, make sure you visit the cutlers in the bigger towns and see what you can find. Some of my rarest alox SAK’s were simply bought over the counter, but were either not listed in the catalogue (First Mate) subsequently discontinued (Farmer with original red scales) or offered in a particular country only (South Africa).

I should point out though, that I’ve been buying (and using) these for 40+ years….
 
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Will (MADE IN GERMANY) pliers, 1000 V handle insulation. Can anyone tell me something about the quality of this manufacturer? What is the quality compared to Knipex pliers?
I have a set of Will VDE needlenose and a wire stripper, both made for a British OEM. I like them. Great handles, strong teeth, attractive finish. The company is now Knipex (OrbisWill) but dunno about then. I
 

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Tried out a Cadet today.

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Same size as a Bantam, but with an extra layer with more screwdrivers. Surprising good screwdrivers on PH1 and PZ2, + more robust than the combo tool on the Bantam.

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Tried out a Cadet today.

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Same size as a Bantam, but with an extra layer with more screwdrivers. Surprising good screwdrivers on PH1 and PZ2, + more robust than the combo tool on the Bantam.

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You can’t go too far wrong with the Cadet as an ”every day” knife.

I tend to carry a Pioneer myself, anything less feels a bit delicate, but what sometimes isn’t appreciated about the cadet is how slim it is. You can carry it in a jeans pocket without bulges, and of course the blades are finer ground too! And yes, much more than a Bantam for little extra bulk.

My only dislike about the Cadet is the nail file. I’ve never once needed to improvise an urgent manicure…!

Here are some coloured Cadets. I particularly like the olive green.47EF17E4-6E09-45C6-B7F4-7F9E8CEEFCE6.jpeg
 

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That is the old Soviet wrench, made in USSR.
I don't know who the manufacturer is.
Quality wrench with poor finishing.
Key of production of the Kamyshin plant of fitting and assembly tools. The USSR
 

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You can’t go too far wrong with the Cadet as an ”every day” knife.

I tend to carry a Pioneer myself, anything less feels a bit delicate, but what sometimes isn’t appreciated about the cadet is how slim it is. You can carry it in a jeans pocket without bulges, and of course the blades are finer ground too! And yes, much more than a Bantam for little extra bulk.

My only dislike about the Cadet is the nail file. I’ve never once needed to improvise an urgent manicure…!

Here are some coloured Cadets. I particularly like the olive green.47EF17E4-6E09-45C6-B7F4-7F9E8CEEFCE6.jpeg
Just ordered a silver Pioneer.
 

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Hi, does anyone knows the Japan company "FUJIYA". If yes, please give your opinion about the quality of the cutters and pliers.




 

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Hi, does anyone knows the Japan company "FUJIYA". If yes, please give your opinion about the quality of the cutters and pliers.





Check out the Japan thread here

I think that members who post on the Japan thread also come here, as there is a cross-over of content and interests, but you may get more replies on there.
 

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KC Tool has chosen to end our decade-long partnership with Wiha Tools USA.

Since KC Tool was founded in 2011, our core focus has been to offer the best German brands while providing the best customer service. Staying true to this tenet has allowed our company to expand to the eighteen brands we currently offer to customers worldwide.

While we are sad to remove a brand from the product lineup and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, our commitment to being America’s #1 German Tool Distributor remains unchanged. We look forward to expanding our existing product lines and adding new brands in the near future.

With Kind Regards,

KC Tool
From an email I got From KC Tools today
 

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Something new to my tool box.

I finally found out of the production PB Swiss 255 MR-80 🥳
These are my first PB Swiss tools and I’m pleased. Many years I have thought about buying PB Swiss and now was a good opportunity to do so.
Screwdriver handles are smaller than I have used to but I can live with that. Build quality is good and they feel better to hand than many other good tools. The ratchet has different feel in 255 than in the 8510. I believe it’s because my 255 is probably older than the 8510.


A couple of months ago I asked you guys about your favourite screwdriver that can hold bits.
I think that I found the one (or two in this case) which like most at the moment.
255 MR-80 and 8510 R-30 WITH modified Wiha CentroFix. These are just prototypes and I have just one CentroFix adapter at the moment. I tested the ”fit” of CentroFix to the PB Swiss with shims and there was no woble at all even with long E6 bits thanks to that CentroFix adapter. Now I have buy at least two more adapter so I can build more these Frankensteins. I thought that I just glue the CentroFix to the screwdriver head but what you guys suggest? A tiny screw that locks adapter to the screwdriver or something else?
 

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Something new to my tool box.

I finally found out of the production PB Swiss 255 MR-80 🥳
These are my first PB Swiss tools and I’m pleased. Many years I have thought about buying PB Swiss and now was a good opportunity to do so.
Screwdriver handles are smaller than I have used to but I can live with that. Build quality is good and they feel better to hand than many other good tools. The ratchet has different feel in 255 than in the 8510. I believe it’s because my 255 is probably older than the 8510.


A couple of months ago I asked you guys about your favourite screwdriver that can hold bits.
I think that I found the one (or two in this case) which like most at the moment.
255 MR-80 and 8510 R-30 WITH modified Wiha CentroFix. These are just prototypes and I have just one CentroFix adapter at the moment. I tested the ”fit” of CentroFix to the PB Swiss with shims and there was no woble at all even with long E6 bits thanks to that CentroFix adapter. Now I have buy at least two more adapter so I can build more these Frankensteins. I thought that I just glue the CentroFix to the screwdriver head but what you guys suggest? A tiny screw that locks adapter to the screwdriver or something else?
Nice stuff you got there!
Is the wobble that bad that you needed to add shims between the Wiha bit adapter and the PB Swiss drive end?
 

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If anybody wondered how big a plastic dead blow hammer can be, this is a 80mm 4,4kg Halder Supercraft and its little (standard size) 30mm brother with 0,4kg. I maily use it for fence posts and felling wedges. It still got a bigger brother with 9kg, but I couldn‘t justify it yet 😉 (no real use for it)

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a tale of two combination deadblow hammers...

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i already had a gedore 247H-30 and found i like this style of hammer. if i'm just going to have one hammer in a bag, this isn't a bad choice. especially if you also have a cat's paw for pulling nails.

i decided to try the pbswiss version. PB 304.4

comparing the two, i like the gedore handle more. the pbswiss handle is skinnier. the paint on the lower half of the gedore adds a little bit of grippiness. the lobes of the gedore are more defined. the pbswiss handle is still good, but just not as good.

i like that the metal striking surface of the pbsswiss is less convexed than the gedore. the gedore is a little too convex.
i wasn't sure if i would like the rounded plastic face on the pbswiss, but it has a pretty decent flat spot on it. it's fine.

i like the dead blow feeling in the pbswiss more. stacked washers in the pb vs fine shot in the gedore.

overall, i probably like the pb more.

bonus shot of a pb fridge magnet. the tiny handle has that pb vanilla plastic smell and everything. cute.

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Will (MADE IN GERMANY) pliers, 1000 V handle insulation. Can anyone tell me something about the quality of this manufacturer? What is the quality compared to Knipex pliers?
@Monte

Do you have information about Will pliers ? Will - Knipex quality comparison ?
 

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Nice stuff you got there!
Is the wobble that bad that you needed to add shims between the Wiha bit adapter and the PB Swiss drive end?
There is a little bit play because PB Swiss has just a magnet that hold bits in place. I also shortened the CentroFix 20mm so it would not add too much lenght to screwdriver.
PB Swiss is fine with short bits but with longer ones there is too much wobble for my taste.
I wanted to use CentroFix because it holds longer E6 bits very tight.
 

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There is a little bit play because PB Swiss has just a magnet that hold bits in place. I also shortened the CentroFix 20mm so it would not add too much lenght to screwdriver.
PB Swiss is fine with short bits but with longer ones there is too much wobble for my taste.
I wanted to use CentroFix because it holds longer E6 bits very tight.
Sounds like it's time to make that Wiha bit holder a permanent fixture.
 

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I forgot to turn off one of my searches for Wiha ratchets after finding the Koken x Wiha flex head unicorns, and this popped up. I thought the ratchet might be another Koken x Wiha unicorn (based on the head shape, selector design, and screw placement), and I didn’t have any “nut grip” type sockets, so I thought what the hell.

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The set includes 1/4” drive sockets with spring retention of the fastener (4-13mm), a ratchet and spinner handle with Microfinish handles, a sliding T-handle, two extensions, a universal joint, and bit assortment (metric ball hex “magic ring” hex power bits, metric hex “magic ring” bits, torx, PH1-3, PZ1-3) in a three-layer foam inlay. The spinner handle unfortunately does not have a female square on top.

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It was made post-Wende, because the spinner handle just says “Made in Germany.” COO types would want to know that the spinner handle is the only piece so labeled. (Even then, that just means the plastic bits are German-made; the Soft finish handle on the Koken x Wiha ratchet also says Made in Germany.

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When I picked up the ratchet, I was a little disappointed. It had a battleaxe-type feel, like a Williams. Opening it proved beyond doubt that it was not Koken. This Wiha ratchet has a single pawl. I don’t know who might’ve made it.

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As for the nut-grip sockets, they weren’t the modified Heycos I was expecting. I have no idea who Wiha’s OEM is. They’re finished like Hazets, with grippy knurling, though they’re not quite as nice. The 13mm is about the same OD as Hazet, but 4mm is considerably thicker.

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Does anyone know anything about this set?
I`ve got today
 

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a tale of two combination deadblow hammers...
Pizza. Out of interest, does your Gedore hammer feel like it's more tightly filled than most other dead blows? I've wondered if mine is a little over filled, or if it's supposed to be like this. Really hard to say for sure, but about a 5mm of free space?
 

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Bought a single Facom OGV grip hex socket to try.

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Seen some demos of these (or the Mac ones) on youtube that make them look great, but I think they were all sponsored or whatever, so I want to try one for myself before splashing out on a set. Really curious to see how they compare to Wera hex plus, and if these fancy shapes are really any better than a standard flat sided Ko-ken. Allen head screws have given more grief than any other screw head type. Once the bit slips, you're f'd.

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A note for anyone in the UK. I bought the Facom socket from 'Red Box tools.' Mentioning them because I had not heard of them before they came up when searching for the Facom part number. They provided really friendly service. Socket was out of stock, so they contacted me to let me know, and sent another four follow-up emails keeping me informed and asking if I wanted to continue waiting. Handwritten emails, not auto generated, all for the sale of a single socket. Good old-fashioned customer service. (y)
 
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Silverline glow plug harness pliers. I wanted Hazet, but cheaped out.

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As expected, they are crappy. Chrome flaking off after one trial use.

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Tips too fat to fit over three out of the four plugs.

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However, after a bit of grinding/filing, they work well enough.

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Anyone know any tricks for removing barcodes from PB Swiss handles without damaging/loosing the texture on the handle?
 

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Anyone know any tricks for removing barcodes from PB Swiss handles without damaging/loosing the texture on the handle?
If it’s the “Classic” or “Multicraft” handle, a trace of spirit (alcohol) on a rag will work just fine. Here in the U.K. “methylated” spirit is widely available, that’s what I use.

Did you realise that PB drivers are available without the barcode? I think the barcoded ones are the “eco” option without packaging. Most of mine came without.
 

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Pizza. Out of interest, does your Gedore hammer feel like it's more tightly filled than most other dead blows? I've wondered if mine is a little over filled, or if it's supposed to be like this. Really hard to say for sure, but about a 5mm of free space?

hard to say how our gedores compare, but yes, that could be the case.
i definitely feel more action inside the pb when i shake it around.

like yours, my gedore seems slightly overfilled, but whatever. i'm sure they did the tests.
 

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Those are interesting. I have some older Japanese sockets that have that exact retention system. They certainly aren't as durable as Ko-ken's Nut-grip design.

EDIT:
Found out that some time ago, NOGA Japan offered that exact set. I would guess they were made in Taiwan.
Source: https://ameblo.jp/yzfslyz/entry-12568504715.html?frm=theme
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