Tools from the old world

[four.cycle]

Thank you.
I'm going to be asking for your help on this one again. It hasn't been 12 hours and I've already added several names to the list (for "CHROM VANADIUM") as well as a couple more variants:

* Marked "CROM VANADIUM"

GAMA (Germany) (?)

Starker (Germany) ?

* Marked "CROMO VANADIUM"

?

* Marked "CROMO VANADIO"

Adapabl Mundial

That last one I'm not sure WHO the manufacturer is. (photo below)

I deliberately omitted automobile makers, as it would serve only to clutter it up. Obviously a wrench stamped "Lancia" came with an Italian car - that's not the guy I'm trying to provide information for here.

What I've got so far is attached here. The LIST is being continually updated as well.

(* when this one gets fleshed out I'll try "CHROME MOLYBDENUM", having been inspired after finding a "CROM MOLIBENDO" *)


Valbron ?

 

[dukefx]

I see a fair bit of Elora in the U.K.

Their distribution seems to be different to a lot of other makers. In recent years their tools were sold through agricultural suppliers. Quite a good choice I reckon, as the tools are decent, but not flashy. I see them in a lot of farm workshops as a result.

For the last few years they have been distributed by Draper tools, one of the biggest tool distributors in the U.K. Draper offer tools under their own name (made in Taiwan) or you can opt for Elora for a little more.

I’m sure there are some Elora items that they don’t make themselves. I’ve long suspected screwdrivers to be one such item, but I probably wouldn’t call them ”rebrands” as the patterns are unique to Elora, and they are German made. Some, such as these Stainless drivers, are really very nice.

All the wrenches, socket wrenches and accessories are, I believe, made ”in house” by Elora. The designs are unique to Elora, and their is a huge variety on offer. I would say they were one of the major German manufacturers.



The only thing I would say, is that the majority of the tools are not aimed at the U.S. market. The styles are European, as is the finish, which tends to be a mostly matte chrome - very durable, but not to American tastes. Maybe for this reason, they are not exported to the U.S. in large numbers.

Personally, I’ve always found them to be excellent tools, and often better value than other German makes, if a little unexciting.

I’ve never seen “Elofort” here. I’m sure these will be made in Taiwan. At least if you buy Elora you know what you are getting.

Their hammers are rebrands, their locking pliers are rebrands, their electronics pliers are rebrands, their ratcheting wrenches are rebrands and not even German or European made. One of their multipurpose pliers that's like water pump pliers with a hammer is some Chinese/Taiwanese ****. This is just from the top of my head. It's been a while since I took a look at their products.

 

[F-22]

I see a fair bit of Elora in the U.K.

Their distribution seems to be different to a lot of other makers. In recent years their tools were sold through agricultural suppliers. Quite a good choice I reckon, as the tools are decent, but not flashy. I see them in a lot of farm workshops as a result.

For the last few years they have been distributed by Draper tools, one of the biggest tool distributors in the U.K. Draper offer tools under their own name (made in Taiwan) or you can opt for Elora for a little more.

I’m sure there are some Elora items that they don’t make themselves. I’ve long suspected screwdrivers to be one such item, but I probably wouldn’t call them ”rebrands” as the patterns are unique to Elora, and they are German made. Some, such as these Stainless drivers, are really very nice.

All the wrenches, socket wrenches and accessories are, I believe, made ”in house” by Elora. The designs are unique to Elora, and their is a huge variety on offer. I would say they were one of the major German manufacturers.



The only thing I would say, is that the majority of the tools are not aimed at the U.S. market. The styles are European, as is the finish, which tends to be a mostly matte chrome - very durable, but not to American tastes. Maybe for this reason, they are not exported to the U.S. in large numbers.

Personally, I’ve always found them to be excellent tools, and often better value than other German makes, if a little unexciting.

I’ve never seen “Elofort” here. I’m sure these will be made in Taiwan. At least if you buy Elora you know what you are getting.

I have one big Elora wrench, no idea where I got it from but definitely really well made.

 

[tamaraw]

Does anyone have a preference or recommendation between these three? Prices are close enough to not matter. Thanks!

Edit: These are all 6pt despite the generic images. Looks like the Hazet and Gedore are keyed with a point of the hex facing the gap whearas Stahlville keys it with a flat of the hex facing the gap... not sure if there is a difference in practice.

 

[drtyler]

Stahlwille since its the least expensive.

All three are high quality.

 

[jmf535]

Stahlwille is the only one that I own, and I'm happy with it. But, I agree with the above...can't go wrong with any of them.

Only reason I chose Stahlwille is because it was the cheapest, and that the majority of my wrenches are Stahlwille.

 

[tamaraw]

Thanks for the feedback

I went with Gedore just for the sake of variety, I'll share some pictures when this stuff gets in.

 

[drtyler]

Thanks for the feedback

I went with Gedore just for the sake of variety, I'll share some pictures when this stuff gets in.

those Hazet hex bit sockets are top notch, as are their torx bit sockets.

 

[tamaraw]

those Hazet hex bit sockets are top notch, as are their torx bit sockets.

Good to know, they certainly look pretty in pictures.

I figure they will be nice for opening oil passage plugs on cylinder heads and blocks; easier with a square drive handle than trying to fit a pipe over L-keys. My old Honda stuff doesn't really use torx but I might pick up a matching set eventually just to have the coverage.

 

[dukefx]

Thanks for the feedback

I went with Gedore just for the sake of variety, I'll share some pictures when this stuff gets in.

I hope you don't get spray painted wrenches like I did. I bought the Gedore ratcheting wrenches and yesterday decided to remove the stickers and lube them with MoS2. I pealed the stickers off and used acrylic cleaner to clean them. Suddenly there was silver paint on my hands. They tried to hide scratches and some blemishes. No idea who it was, the factory or the retailer, but I'm disappointed. It's not exactly cheap, especially since it was the largest and most expensive wrench.

 

[tamaraw]

I hope you don't get spray painted wrenches like I did. I bought the Gedore ratcheting wrenches and yesterday decided to remove the stickers and lube them with MoS2. I pealed the stickers off and used acrylic cleaner to clean them. Suddenly there was silver paint on my hands. They tried to hide scratches and some blemishes. No idea who it was, the factory or the retailer, but I'm disappointed. It's not exactly cheap, especially since it was the largest and most expensive wrench.

Weird, maybe something in the compound attacked the finish or it was a returned item someone else disguised? I would doubt that the Gedore factory is using spray paint, lol.

Hopefully shouldn't be an issue with the one I ordered but I honestly wouldn't mind if it were black oxide or raw steel or whatever so long as the flare nut ends are a snug fit.

 

[dukefx]

My Schmitz pliers finally arrived. They are really well made.

 

[upgrading]

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Nice color scheme too

 

[Monte]

Thank you.
I'm going to be asking for your help on this one again. It hasn't been 12 hours and I've already added several names to the list (for "CHROM VANADIUM") as well as a couple more variants:

* Marked "CROM VANADIUM"

GAMA (Germany) (?)

Starker (Germany) ?

* Marked "CROMO VANADIUM"

?

* Marked "CROMO VANADIO"

Adapabl Mundial

That last one I'm not sure WHO the manufacturer is. (photo below)

I deliberately omitted automobile makers, as it would serve only to clutter it up. Obviously a wrench stamped "Lancia" came with an Italian car - that's not the guy I'm trying to provide information for here.

What I've got so far is attached here. The LIST is being continually updated as well.

(* when this one gets fleshed out I'll try "CHROME MOLYBDENUM", having been inspired after finding a "CROM MOLIBENDO" *)


Valbron ?

"Crom" and "Cromo" are not german.... "Crom" is Romanian ( in other languages possible too) for Chrome. "Cromo" might be italian. "Valbron" sounds French (or italian ?). Mundial = www.mundial-casartelli.it




Mikov Rybička knife
made since the 1920´s if wikipedia.de is right.
....or since 1902 ? : https://www.designmuseum.cz/rybicka/
www.mikov.cz

Rybička - Google Search

 

[Qualitytools]

^ Or 1794 as the box indicates in the photo

 

[Vicks]

Bosch countersink

Are these for wood only or for metal application too ? I'm asking since i bought a similar set (i think i posted here) and found that the bits did not perform well (they dulled easily) when used on mild steel.

 

[upgrading]

Amazon U.S.

 

[Monte]

^ Or 1794 as the box indicates in the photo

it seems the fish style came later ?

Are these for wood only or for metal application too ? I'm asking since i bought a similar set (i think i posted here) and found that the bits did not perform well (they dulled easily) when used on mild steel.

For wood and non ferrous metals:


For steel Bosch (and others....) offer this style:









Pferd chain saw filing vice:
(no coo)



Stihl saw chain:

 

[Outahere]

Bought at Amazon US

 

[Pixel_Rage]

Martor graphic and deburring cutter, Wiha MagicRing, Facom ratchet , PbSwiss and Zenten pipe cutter

 

[neophyte]

Martor graphic and deburring cutter, Wiha MagicRing, Facom ratchet , PbSwiss and Zenten pipe cutter

I wonder of Zenten is another Super Ego/Rothenberger rebrand?

 

[Monte]

3M safety goggles

 

[Monte]

Do have a close up pic of both sides of the Zenten cutter ?

Martor graphic and deburring cutter, Wiha MagicRing, Facom ratchet , PbSwiss and Zenten pipe cutter

I wonder of Zenten is another Super Ego/Rothenberger rebrand?

i guess they´re a OEM.

The Hazet tools below are not made in Germany:

I think this might be from Zenten:

Zenten:

A different version from "Germany" (without coo on package)

or in red....

or in silver

yellow again:

 

[four.cycle]

Looks like they're making their own widgets, and from just a cursory view of their site, a number of other companies as well:

Zenten / Zenten Bernhard Groten, Poligono Industrial Soroxarta, Burniola Kalea, 20C, 20305, Irun, Gipuzkoa, Spain / https://zentenbg.com/ / est. 1966 /

catalog is available for download on the site in *.pdf format

 

[tamaraw]

The first package from my amazon.de order came in at work over the weekend and had my Felo 1/4" T-handle.


Looks pretty and seems to be well-made but unfortunately a bit of a miss for me due to the handle shape. I'll compare to my more basic Polish Wiha below.


With a Bahco 10mm socket mounted for comparison's sake. The Felo uses a very smooth satin shaft, hard yellow plastic core, and a rubberized black dual-molded coating. Visually similar to the ergonic line but it is quite firm and doesn't squish or give.


But here you can see my number one issue; the way the grip extends down the shaft on the Felo makes it significantly thicker and quite uncomfortable squeezed between my fingers. I barely even feel the 8mm shaft on the Wiha while the Felo is about double that at 14-16mm (curved).


Now, to be fair, the square ends on the Felo do make it a little more comfortable when applying higher torque with your palm as above. But I feel like that's a relatively small portion of my use on a compact t-handle.

Oh well, gotta try stuff to feel how it works and it wasn't very expensive anyway.

 

[four.cycle]

^ perfect for those missing a ring finger!

 

[tamaraw]

And a Hazet 1/2" drive 17mm 12pt socket purchased for Honda flywheel bolts:


I am really liking the finish on Hazet impact sockets, might have to pick up a full 6pt set eventually. Hard to capture on my phone but it is very smooth with a thin black oxide coating. All of the sharp edges from machining are knocked down and smoothed out nicely.


Next to a comparable Ko-ken. You may notice the Ko-ken socket is a bit slimmer at the top (also a little lighter I think) and the drive surfaces are more angular vs the very curved ones on the Hazet. Ko-ken also uses a much more uniform chalky finish and I'm not a big fan of the feel.



Flip them over and you can see that Hazet machines much larger chamfering around the base of the square drive. Hazet T40 on the left, Ko-ken 17mm on the right.

I have a pin detent Milwaukee impact and the shape of the Ko-ken forces me to align the pin to the hole in order to install the socket; it won't slide on in other orientations. Then it's locked to the impact until I grab a piece of 5mm rod to depress the pin detent and remove the socket. The chamfering on the Hazet sockets allows me to insert the anvil with the pin sideways if I don't want to really lock it to the impact. Very nice!

 

[Pixel_Rage]

Do have a close up pic of both sides of the Zenten cutter ?

Here you go

 

[Monte]

Here you go

Thank you ! I think i´m convinced now that Hazet, Rems, Stahlwille etc. buy from Zenten....





GSR tap holder

 

[Outahere]

Bought some Pferd 180-grit flap wheels (1/8" shaft) at Zoro, for my Dremel tool.

 

[Monte]

Wolf Garten handle:

 

[four.cycle]

^ Great tool for working underneath Rhododendrons!
Mine is a wood-handled affair with wire tines, but about the same length. Absolutely love it.
I like the "retracto-switchblade" action on that one!

Wolf-Garten appears to be another victim of the SBD juggernaut:

Stanley Black & Decker Outdoor GmbH, Geschaftsbereich Wolf-Garten, Wiesenstrasse 9, 66129 Saarbrucken, Saarland, Germany / https://www.wolf-garten.com/ / shears, secateurs, outdoor tools /

 

[Monte]

^ Great tool for working underneath Rhododendrons!
Mine is a wood-handled affair with wire tines, but about the same length. Absolutely love it.
I like the "retracto-switchblade" action on that one!

or in beds with a lot of plants so you can rake between the plants. Very handy.

Wolf-Garten appears to be another victim of the SBD juggernaut:

Stanley Black & Decker Outdoor GmbH, Geschaftsbereich Wolf-Garten, Wiesenstrasse 9, 66129 Saarbrucken, Saarland, Germany / https://www.wolf-garten.com/ / shears, secateurs, outdoor tools /

oooops..... :-(
Before they belong to MTD.... I don´t know whats better though.....Until now virtually everything (or everything ??) from Wolf is made in Germany. At least the hand tools .... iirc power tools are from Hungary nowadays....







"Lux Tools" small parts drawer cabinet






Probably made by Raaco

 

[upgrading]

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Cool color

 

[Monte]

Merry Christmas to everyone !!!!

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Cool color

yes, looks really nice





Bessey welding clamps

 

[Qualitytools]

Merry Christmas everyone

 

[neophyte]

Merry Christmas, and a “Bah Humbug” for those so inclined.

 

[upgrading]

Amazon U.S. - Gedore Red
Everything is either stamped Germany or Made In Germany

 

[Spongebob89]

Wolf Garten handle:

Hello, the part number of this tool is the "LD-M/ZM 015"?

Τσουγκρανόσκουπα με λαβή LD-M/ZM 015

www.fytopolio.gr

 

[tamaraw]

These finally showed up at work earlier, the first package from amazon.de got lost in shipping from Australia after like a month. The replacement came from Poland to Seattle in just a few days, go figure.

Gedore 8x10 flare nut wrench:


Gedore suspension pin spanner:


Pictured here with an adjustable Koni spring perch, similar concept to a hook spanner but with a round pin and hole instead: