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Tools Where Air Power is Still Relevant

dnschmidt

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A recent post questioned whether 3/8" air impacts are still relevant. My opinion is NO. However this got me to thinking what tools exist where air power is still or the only way to go. Here's my list. Feel free to add whatever you can think of.

1) Paint Guns - obviously
2) Air Hammers - A cordless SDS is about 10 times the size.
3) Needle Scalers
4) Impacting ratchets like the SPAir.
5) Mud Hog Sander
6) Air File Sander like the Hutchins Hustler
7) Until AirVantage, Mirka and Festool came out with electric DA sanders that had the form factor of air powered DA's DA sanders.
 
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Tire chucks. Aint nobody got time to stand next to a tire for a minute and half for four corners.
And to that end, blow guns. Cordless exist, but I'm talking about blowing out small blockages and cleaning off parts. Not dusting
 

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Seems to me cordless has evolved to be a solid alternative to air but it doesn't make air obsolescent.
Simply situational, if you already have the air logistics in place then air tools are still highly competitive. If you are starting from scratch and don't have a large compressor then cordless is very attractive.
 

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Air tools pretty much still win for size, weight, and runtime considerations and where sparks are kinda sketch.
And long life. I have air tools that work fine that are 35 years old. Show me your 35 year old cordless tools!
I have no issues with cordless, but I am not tossing all my air tools just to replace them all with cordless!
 

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And long life. I have air tools that work fine that are 35 years old. Show me your 35 year old cordless tools!
I have no issues with cordless, but I am not tossing all my air tools just to replace them all with cordless!

Good point, I have air and cordless (and even some corded tools too)...won't ditch the air anytime soon though, I use air something in the garage almost every time I'm out there.
 

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My vintage pneumatic 1/2" impact still blows my Makita dtw701z, it's way faster and the Makita is nifty but not even close. It's notable when I want to remove some nut off of an axle that tends to spin - the Makita hits too slow to get it off, while the pneumatic is so fast the inertia of the axle can't build up.
 

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3/8 air impacts, totally relevant. Last weekend we were digging into the PT, and the ONLY tool that could break loose and reinstall what we were working on was the 3/8 air impact. Hand tools only had 2" of swing. Electric, too bulky. Cordless, even moreso.
Air, corded, and cordless each have a role in my shop. None could totally replace the others.
 

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I'd say other than impacts and ratchets air powered tool still come first for me. I rarely break out my 3/8 or 1/2 air impacts anymore. 3/4 I'm still all air powered though. I do still use my air ratchets from time to time just because they have more power than my cordless ratchets...I also like to use them to smash my hands every once in awhile just to make sure I still have feeling in them.
 

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Air wins for durability in general, less plastic on the housings. My tools generally have a lot of aluminum showing through the paint.

Die grinders are smaller, same for cut off tools with air. Air hammer obviously. Electric wins for smaller impacts and screw guns, and probably in ratchets too. Air obviously loses if you're working away from air. I think my friends m18 mid torque is a toy for removing wheels, but man is that thing nice in a parking lot with no air.

When it comes to making power in a pro environment, air will always be cheaper/ftlb assuming the air can keep up. The shop already bought and paid for the air supply, I just need a gun and a fitting. Battery has the cost for powering the tool on the user. Now if one already is into a battery platform, and can buy tool only, that changes. I'd be tempted to say for most home users electric impact will win simply due to air supply/pressure.
 
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Impacts 1/2" thru 1" drive
Die grinders
Belt sanders
3" Cut-off
4.5" angle grinders
Blow guns
Random orbital sanders
 

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Small(er) low torque but high RPM (2000+) spindles like a jig grinder. Hand held mold/die detail grinding is best done with a pneumatic pencil grinder (higher RPM and better bearings). Same when using a felt bob with diamond paste for polishing previously mentioned details. Electric tools are ok too but require the tool to be a lot larger/longer in size. Cable driven moto-tools like the Foredom are the exception for the electric driven but they have detractions too.
 

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A lot of the small tools used for fabricating aluminum aircraft are still best in air. Things like light weight hand drills, 90* drills, small grinders and belt sanders etc. Air is also nice in that the tools don't get hot with lots of use. Battery tools certainly have made it harder to long for a pneumatic 3/8 or 1/2 impact. If you use those tools a lot then the advantages of batteries are probably worth the drawbacks. Conversely, for a DIY/hobby mechanic air has the advantage that the tools can basically last a lifetime. My impact wrench doesn't get used that much. 20 years on, it still works as well as when new. That may also be true with some battery tools but odds are the batteries won't work well 20 years from now even if the tool does.
 

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Any where a tool is used for long periods of time like buffing, grinding, sanding etc. Cabinet shops and body shops are air hogs. No way will batteries keep up in those. Quick one off jobs like removing bolts and drilling holes battery tools have taken the crown.
 

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Lots of good posts above!

My A/C flush kit runs off shop air. Fire a load of solvent and air down the hoses and through ancient evaporators and condensers.

Cordless tools are amazing, but you can't live without air (no pun intended....).

-Ryan
 
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Any where a tool is used for long periods of time like buffing, grinding, sanding etc. Cabinet shops and body shops are air hogs. No way will batteries keep up in those. Quick one off jobs like removing bolts and drilling holes battery tools have taken the crown.
I don' think this is completely true. CORDED electric is far more common for buffers and a lot of shops are going with corded DA sanders from AirVantage, Festool and 3M. Air clearly has it's place but it makes little sense to run a 7 1/2 HP compressor to power an air sander when the new design electric (corded) sanders only take 5 Amps at 120V vs. 50 at 240V.
 
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Roofing nailers.
True, and I wonder why. Milwaukee has figured out everything except coil nailers. What's so special about these that nobody has come up with a cordless solution. From the safety standpoint alone (no air hoses to trip over leading to falling off the roof) cordless roofing nailers would be a great advance.
 

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Cordless is great for a lot of things but when things get serious you need air. I had some pipe studs that needed removal and they laughed at the Milwaukee Fuel 3/4 impact with a 9AH battery. The CP772 just did the business with zero fuss.
 

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True, and I wonder why. Milwaukee has figured out everything except coil nailers. What's so special about these that nobody has come up with a cordless solution. From the safety standpoint alone (no air hoses to trip over leading to falling off the roof) cordless roofing nailers would be a great advance.
Pneumatics are just so well suited for this sort of immediate, direct piston action. You basically have a piston behind the nail and high pressure air just waiting to push on the piston.

When you think about doing this with an electric motor you basically don't have enough power in that motor/battery to directly drive the nail. Instead, you have to store then release the motor's energy. You can do this by storing it up as inertia or by winding up a spring that is then released. I don't actually know how they do it with a battery nail gun but both of those options involve more weight vs just using air. Also, both are slower to reset vs air from a tank (which has to wait for the pump to reset it). Air is inherently good at doing things like a single piston event.
 

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Cordless tools would probably get replaced every 3-6 months if not sooner doing transmission repairs. From getting oil/solvent soaked to the rubber bits swelling up it's just not feasible. I wish I could lose the hose but the environment dictates what tools I use not to mention the air used cleaning and testing.

I have, use and love cordless tools but they will never compare to the durability of air tools.
 

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Pneumatics are just so well suited for this sort of immediate, direct piston action. You basically have a piston behind the nail and high pressure air just waiting to push on the piston.

When you think about doing this with an electric motor you basically don't have enough power in that motor/battery to directly drive the nail. Instead, you have to store then release the motor's energy. You can do this by storing it up as inertia or by winding up a spring that is then released. I don't actually know how they do it with a battery nail gun but both of those options involve more weight vs just using air. Also, both are slower to reset vs air from a tank (which has to wait for the pump to reset it). Air is inherently good at doing things like a single piston event.

Yeah, cordless nailers don't have nearly as good of a feel in the hand, all that I've looked at feel very bulky and kind of unwieldy compared to an air nailer.
I imagine I will eventually pick up a cordless brad nailer for small projects where I don't feel it is worth the effort getting the compressor fired up for just a few nails, but don't see my air nailers going anywhere soon, at least not with the current technology.
 

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Everyone has pretty much said everything else I would say. So, I'll throw this log on the fire. Trying to get some ball joint castle nuts to move for the first time doing control arms on a rav4, 6-12" extension and swivel. Team yellow strikes out with big batteries. 20+ year 2135ti dusts himself off and comes off the bench, moves it, with ease, and goes back to hibernate for when needed. I did rebuild it 5 years ago or so.
Die grinders.
Mini belt Sanders.
The alignment rack.
My ancient senco nail guns.
 

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I totally forgot about the dentist. I don't see battery powered tools landing there anytime soon.
 

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Air still wins on most of the factors except portability and sometimes cost.

Some of them are obvious. HVLP paint guns. Air blower nozzles. Tire inflation still is faster and more efficient with air on larger tires. Anti-spark tools like vacuums or ratchets something like that.

The industrial applications of air still far outstrip their electric counterparts. Material handling like suction cups, pneumatic cylinders and vibration motors are all used vs electric for their size, cool running and long lived service life. Tool changers on CNC machines are still largely pneumatic.

Any high speed motors like die grinders, drills and some machine spindles.

Compact size like tiny pencil grinders, die grinders, small saws, and reciprocal movement tools.

Compressed air holds a tremendous amount of energy that can be released suddenly so it is great for tools like nailers, air hammers, rivet guns, and other tools that need a sudden burst of force.

The economy of compressed air gets better as the size goes up. Yeah it takes. A lot of energy to compress air into a little pancake compressor for what you get, but when a factory is running 100’s of HP worth of compressor for the plant to run, the compressors can make more air per watt and you can use tools that would otherwise be unusable or wildly inefficient if they were electric.

A brewery I used to work at used compressed air to blast out spent grain from the lauter tun into a silo outside. Basically it was a 8” pipe that an auger would load up with big balls of grain then a pneumatic valve would open and blast the grain ball though the pipe outside, up 50 feet and into the top of the waste silo. We used to have an electrical auger system for this but it was very slow, fussy, would break frequently and was generally less efficient than the air. We ran a 1000 gallon buffer tank with a 2” supply line to the grain out cannon supplied by one of the 100hp screw compressors. Still better to use air than electric in this application.
 

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I've worked in parts of plants where they didn't want any sparks so air tools only including the overhead cranes with air powered winches. No electric or internal combustion tools allowed.
 

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Some Amish only use air tools. Was just at a sharpening shop where everything was air powered. Bench grinders, sanders, even a winch for lifting the heavier reel mowers were all air powered. I'll have to post pics when I get home.
 
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