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Falcon67

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And not feeling at all foolish.

Premise - if the financing appears, we may move to a new house. I still have to fix the old one for resale, but I'm getting tired of working on it anyway and she's tired of waiting for me to get 'er done. The Big downside - I will lose my nice shop/garage for a time until I can rebuild. The houses are under 10 years old and are modern is all respects to construction. We can carry the note on both houses no problem. These two houses are very nearly the same asking price and you can throw a rock between the yards...but....

House A - small, 13xx sq/ft. Nice, looker, standard equipment 3br/2bt/2 car. Smaller than our house so we'd have to wean stuff as we moved in which is not a bad thing because we're both pack rats. Cheaper to heat/cool I imagine and is all electric. Move in ready with some very minor cosmetic work. May be able to muscle seller to pay some or all closing, we'll see. If so, that would leave $ for at least a shop foundation, maybe 8-10 crooked 2x4s or more. It's on the main street of the subdivision, so lots of kids and people out and about, which we like. Not a lot of traffic. We know a lot of folks in there and the joke is that you'd think the deed restrictions require you own a golf cart or mule for putting around.

Detractors - washer/dryer and water heater in garage taking up space in garage. PITA to do laundry like that. I'll fill the garage to the rafters anyway with my **** until I can build a shop, so it's kinda whatever. No name builder AC/heat unit, but it's small and can't eat much power. Back yard has drainage issues, probably $1K+ worth of dirt work to fix. Could do site prep for shop at the same time though. Shop - have to be in back and it's a small lot. Very small - smallest in the entire neighborhood. Access would be through the side yard. Clearance from house to fence is good, plenty of room for car on a trailer. Not any "aesthetic" issues as neighbor has driveway on that side with land buffer, but I'd still be moving stuff across the yard over a curbing. Would not really care for another driveway over there. An L shaped shop 32x20 with a 12x16 short leg would fill half the back yard.

House B - 16xx sq/ft on culdesac. Kind of isolated from the main flow of the neighborhood. Nice front, landscaping, trees, etc. 3br/2bt/2 car with separate laundry room leaving lotsa space in the garage for my junk. Also all electric. Understated elegance is the curb appearance. Has small water well. Marked way down because...

Detractors - VA Repo and all that mess that a repo entails. It's offered AS IS, meaning zero allowance for repairs, closing etc. I'm not a vet so no financing help either. Builder grade Goodman AC unit about 10 yrs old. The house is total TRASH on the inside. Every wall needs paint, all carpet HAS to be replaced and the living room has this tile in it that is just flat ugly. Some giant DIY project gone all wrong. That repair can wait under a giant throw rug LOL. Kitchen is OK for some reason, guess they left that alone. Also, house is sandwiched between two other empty properties owned out of state. It fills the existing lot, so you almost have to have one of the side lots to get any extra space. Have contacted the owner and they may be willing to sell one. BUT - all extra cash would be consumed with closing, repairs and buying the land leaving exactly zero for any beginning shop work. However, there would be this nice 62x120 space for one in the future. There is no space behind the house for a shop as they set it deep in the lot.

We're leaning toward the small one but I dunno. Once you clean up the big one and add a side lot it'd be worth maybe $20K more than asking so it would be a good investment. But a replacement shop would be 3-5 years out easy depending on old house sale proceeds. And it costs more to operate of course. The small one could have a shop - assuming no problem with a zero lot build variance and the old house selling for something - by this time next fall. And we could get right in it and leave the old house open for me to finish.

Pretty much given that the old house would have to sell for some premium over the existing note for me to finish out a shop in a manner befitting this forum ;) so I'd have to fix up the old house good. Waddaya think....
 
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I just googled the AC unit on the small house and it's a 12/13 SEER high efficiency 3 ton unit, so that's another plus for the small one.

I also forgot - shops built in either spot may also have alley access, and that would help the smaller one for sure.
 

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If it were me, on my own, I'd go for the longer term and take house B. In your case though, I think you've already decided to go for house A - which, in your case, I believe is the right choice.
 
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If it were me, on my own, I'd go for the longer term and take house B. In your case though, I think you've already decided to go for house A - which, in your case, I believe is the right choice.

Ya, the honey likes A better. But we look at both tonight. Financing is a go on either. My issue with House A is the zero lot line shop build. I have a tentative OK from the city, but I'd like to get a firmer OK about that. They ask for 5' set back. I don't think a variance will be a big problem - House A has the very smallest lot in the whole subdivision and is one of only two that sit on it's own lot. Every other house - including the mayor across the street ;) - sits on two or larger lots. But I want a solid "no problem" to be sure. $50 permit and a electrical signed to a master - I know a couple so that should not be an issue either.
 
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I'd go for Plan C: Keep your existing house and repair/fix it up. If you already have a shop, you're ahead of the game. I would not want the debt. I know you said you can swing both mtgs, however, what if something were to happen to you or your wife? Something to think about. If plan C is not in the cards, I'd go for house B and buy the extra lot. Good luck.
 

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If the mayor lives across the street, it may make getting the variance easier or alot harder. I would consider to look at more homes.
 

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From an investment standpoint choice B sounds to be the better bet. Keep in mind you also have to have the patience to wait through all the bank ******** if you make an offer on the house. My wife and I tried to go that route but ended up withdrawing our offer after two months of waiting for an answer.
 

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I would say house B, but the only thought is can you build a stand alone garage on one of the empty lots? I almost bought the lot behind my house to build my garage until I found out that zoning/covenant restrictions etc. were for single family units 1800 sq ft or larger, regardless if I owned the adjoining lot.

You may be able to re-zone 2 lots into one if you can swing the deal. I would check zoning requirements or deed restrictions/covenants before planning on option B.

Even if there are no active covenants, it does not stop someone from filing suit based on outdated ones.
 

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If you are past the kid point in life. House A and find a shop to rent.

If you are planning for kids or have little ones. House B
 

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So you want to go from having a shop and doing work on your current house to a new (to you) house with no shop, little land to build one on, no extra budget to build one with, and a laundry list of work to do to the house in addition to all of the BS mortgage paperwork, closing, and physically moving? I gotta to be missing something for this to make sense to anyone.
 

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The other option is to move everything out of your current house, rent a house for 3-6 months, and then completely renovate your current one. FYI when you move into a house you're constantly fixing things. It is just part of owning a home. :)
 

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Neither one; they both read like they're $hitholes.

Stay where you are with a shop.
 

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I like B.

But are you moving because the wife is tired of waiting for you to fix the existing house, if so B is not gonna work .
 

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I just googled the AC unit on the small house and it's a 12/13 SEER high efficiency 3 ton unit, so that's another plus for the small one.

I also forgot - shops built in either spot may also have alley access, and that would help the smaller one for sure.

ONE common misconception about SEER ratings. It is only SEER 13 if it is properly matched to the evaporator, which is NOT always the case.

In other words there is no such thing as a SEER 13 condenser.

I bought a VA foreclosure for my first house. I don't see how that is a detractor. It was honestly just the same as any other house you had to finance. (my only issue was some one stole the condenser and i had to install a condenser on the same day I closed to get my financing).
 

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I like house A on lot B. If it were me, I would keep looking and say "no, thanks" to both. I would not buy another fixer upper if that is the reason for selling the old house, and I would not buy on the main street of the subdivision. More people passing by means more people to complain about what I am doing. I would check local zoning, deed restrictions and HOA restrictions before committing to anything. Actually read the documents yourself; so many problems result from an official giving an opinion and then finding out what the text of the restriction/code really says later. I would never buy if my plans included being dependent on a variance to do what I want to do. Here we cannot get a variance for a self created hardship, which includes buying a house with plans for modifications that are not allowed.
 

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I would pass on both. I made concessions when I bought my current house in that I could change this and this and build my shop. Now I realize that if I build a $30k shop, I will never get out of this house. The house+shop that I would be building would not be very easy to resale in this neighborhood. If I wait until I have a better situated house on proper land then it would be better ROI.
 

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I agree. I would look for a better house and lot or I would stay put and invest your time and effort in fixing it up.
 

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I agree with the people that are saying neither house is a good plan. House A is good for the present but not a good long term plan. House B gives you more work to do and you already said you are tired of all the work. I was in the same spot you are in. I bought a house that needed allot of work and I spent 4 years on and off working on it. Even when I sold it I was in the middle of a bathroom addition which I finished 2 weeks before we closed on the house. If I was you I would consider 2 options.

Option one is to push through and finish the house how you want it. You will be very happy you did. This option is best if the house you are in is what you want and need for the long term.

Option two would be do the bare minimum to get the house in sellable condition and sell it. Then get a home that is completed already. This is the option I chose and it was because I had just gotten married and wanted a bigger home to start a family.

If you must buy one of the 2 homes I would go with house A. Then after you finish the old house you could sell both and find the perfect house for you.
 
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Thanks for all the input!!!! Everyone has made very valid points. We went over both houses real hard tonight with our Realtor which is also a friend. We'll sleep on it and make a call tomorrow. No dilly-dally/wishy-washy.

PS - I'm a drag racer, nothing I do makes economic sense. :lol:
 

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One point that was mentioned to me when house hunting was that anything can be changed on the house or yard, but you can't change the neighborhood.

BTW, we love our cul de sac.
 

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Things that worry me:

House A. When you said it was all electric, did you mean the heat was also electric? Electric heat can become very expensive in winters. I really prefer gas for this reason.

House B. Kitchens and Bathrooms are what take up most of the budget on each of my house purchases. Flooring and walls are usually much less of an issue.

Overall. I never like it when you say that you've exhausted all your funds. Im not sure it's prudent to buy a new place, unless you still have in mind at least *** months in cash reserves as a safety net.
 

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Forget A and B and stay where you are. Your wife is unhappy with your lack of progress in fixing up the house you are in now. If you move you will be unhappy with no shop and a garage jam packed with all your stuff that you will not be able to use or get to. What happens if you move to A or B and the city/town says no to your shop plans. Keep your shop you now have and get the house fixed up to make your wife happy. You will still have your shop and a happy wife. Problem solved!!!!!!!
 

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I am in the crowd that says stay put. Mostly because I was in your boat 15 years ago and decided to stay put too instead of moving. I re-did and finished all my projects and am glad I did. Im money ahead now and have mine setup just how I and my wife wanted. Put your $ and effort into your current house plus as many said, you have the shop now. Dont give that up and wish for another. As they say, wish in one hand and **** in the other and see what you have more of.
 
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The thread is not dead - only sleeping.
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More when I can say more. :thumbup:
 

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Hard to say from a distance... I always say , you can change things about a house to suit your needs but you can't change the location of the house. I'd pick the one with the most pleasing location.

When we looked for a house the focus was on the setting more than the house. We compromised buying a ranch style (wanted Split or Coloniel), but got a one of a kind property with river frontage and a forest as a back yard. No regrets.
Location, Location, Location........
 

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Location, Location, Location........

How about one block from the grandkids - a primary motivator. All looks good, I'm just the kind that has to wait until all the paperwork is done, signed and packaged before the "chicken counting" can begin. Until then, it's all Strawberry Fields, nothing is real and nothing to get hung about. ;)
 
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FINALLY. All done - still painting but we'll be moving starting Sunday I think. Did not finish the bedrooms but got carpet yesterday. Had to take it - either take yesterday or wait till January. No thanks to a month on bare concrete. We'll be working like hell for about another month and it'll be a better deal. Here's the plus to the house - we bought the lots on either side for cash.


The dashed box is a proposed location for the new shop. I have big plans built on my beer budget. ;) I can get street or alley access and the front of the lot is clear for neighborhood kid football, etc. The alley is 20' wide, plenty of room for race trailer access. There is also a 12x16 building on the left (west) lot. Came with the lot. The next lot over (west) will be getting a house and past that is open field for 10 miles.

It'll be tight until we sell the old house, but it'll all work out. A building permit for the shop is $50 and never expires, will need an electrical permit too. Building limit is 900 sq.ft without a variance - neighbor has a 50x60 shop slab on the next lot and there is a large brick shop behind the house across the street, plus really big farm sheds behind the two story on the cul-de-sac. So I don't see an issue with neighbors or P&Z. I was worried about where to hide the race trailers, but the people across the street own a working ranch and park a giant horse trailer next to their house.
 
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Chris,

Look real hard at putting the shop that close to the alley. Two things come to mind, first is you "will" be getting a bigger trailer for your cars, it's just natural progression. Second, even with a open trailerit looks like you will be to close to park the trailer in front of the shop and stay hooked up, also when you do get a bigger trailer it will be very difficult to back it around in front of the shop since they do not turn that sharp..

All this is assuming the alley side is the front.

I have a 50 ft trailer and a 20 ft wide street in front of the house. To back my rig into my shop I first put a 50 ft wide culvert at the street, and my garage is as far back as I could put it. Just something to chew on.

Dave
 
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I hear that - The garage would face Bowie, any alley entrance would be incidental. More for servicing my grandson's go-cart and maybe drive a car out the back kind of thing. (and venting paint fumes...)
 

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I just googled the AC unit on the small house and it's a 12/13 SEER high efficiency 3 ton unit, so that's another plus for the small one.

I also forgot - shops built in either spot may also have alley access, and that would help the smaller one for sure.


What brand is the A/C unit? I work for a company that build HVAC for alot of dif.company's,Wondering if we might have built it
 

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Goodman *****


Actually Goodman offers one of the best warranties out there and also passed Carrier this year in number of units sold ( all without spending $100 million on advertising ) . I have sold Trane ( not what they used to be ) and Carrier ( also living off of their old rep ) . I am about to put a full goodman dual fuel system into my house all with a 10 year parts and Labor warranty ( although the labor warranty doesnt mean much to me personally since I am the installer ) .


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I hear that - The garage would face Bowie, any alley entrance would be incidental. More for servicing my grandson's go-cart and maybe drive a car out the back kind of thing. (and venting paint fumes...)

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Then your good..

Dave
 
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