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djscotty

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I have a 1/4 3/8 and 1/2 HF Torque wrench already in my collection because lets face it they are cheap on sale but I am getting ready to do a rebuild on my Subaru and am wondering if I should step my Torque wrench game up especially dealing with engine specs?

Do you guys suggest one or over the other? Is HF accurate enough to trust? I do not want to take this engine out again.
 
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I have the HF 1/2" torque wrench that I carry in my car and only use for lug nuts. I wouldn't trust it for any engine work Not that it's ever failed me, it just seems too "cheap" to be accurate every time.

I read something on here recently that Husky (I may be wrong on that) rebadged Apex torque wrenches. I would go that route as a bare minimum if it were me.
 

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Craftsman Torque wrenches are generally pretty good and have an audible click versus the whisper quiet click of the HF ratchets. Apex torque wrenches are also really good but I have only second hand knowledge of these (have one Craftsman Torque, one HF 1/4" Torque, and one HF digital torque). Snap-on makes truly superb torque wrenches but as with most things Snap-on, get ready to sell your firstborn.
 
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Craftsman Torque wrenches are generally pretty good and have an audible click versus the whisper quiet click of the HF ratchets. Apex torque wrenches are also really good but I have only second hand knowledge of these (have one Craftsman Torque, one HF 1/4" Torque, and one HF digital torque). Snap-on makes truly superb torque wrenches but as with most things Snap-on, get ready to sell your firstborn.

Ok I thought that the Craftsman Torque wrenchs were not as good as some of the HF from the for sale threads that I have been reading. I just found a review about the HF Digital and they said it was really accurate so I might throw that into the mix lol
 

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Buying a used Snap-On off Ebay and having it calibrated might be a good move. You could likely sell it once your done and maybe even be money ahead depending on the deal you got buying it.
 

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I've used Husky (rebadged Apex), CDI Digital, Snap-on Tech Angle, Cman, Syntace, and Park....All seemed to work fine and needed the occasional recalibration (or batteries), some more so than others....

I'm buying for the house Husky and CDI digi......
 

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Doesn't matter the brand all those torque wrenches require calibration every now and again.

Me personally I prefer the beam style torque wrench when it's able to be used
 

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I finally broke my 20+ year old HF, after checking some reviews I picked up the husky we will find out this weekend if a) I like it b) if it does the job.
 

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Doesn't matter the brand all those torque wrenches require calibration every now and again.

Me personally I prefer the beam style torque wrench when it's able to be used

Smart man. People always buy the click kind, when the beam is more accurate and much less expensive. Click is for blind areas
 

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I have a 1/4 3/8 and 1/2 HF Torque wrench already in my collection because lets face it they are cheap on sale but I am getting ready to do a rebuild on my Subaru and am wondering if I should step my Torque wrench game up especially dealing with engine specs?

Do you guys suggest one or over the other? Is HF accurate enough to trust? I do not want to take this engine out again.

If you're doing an engine rebuild I'd get a PI torque wrench.

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The HF torque wrenches are generally accurate but miserable to use. OK for lug nuts but I wouldn't use on an engine.:

- Very wimpy click that you can sometimes mis
- Real grainy knob feel
- Very little resolution from lowest to highest setting
- Hard to read numbers
 
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Thanks guys, I might have to check out this Husky Torque Wrench, found a place online and it's $48.00 for calibration. Hard to send off your $9.99 torque wrench to them lol
 
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Also any used ones off ebay, would almost need to be recalibrated based on the unkown I would think?
 

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Absolutely not with the HF especially with a rebuild. Craftsman makes decent ones especially for the price as well as huskey those are the only "low cost" mechanic tools I buy. If your going to use it allot after your rebuild go with one of the top 3 Snap on, Mac, Cornwell (not a big fan of matco).
 

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Doesn't matter the brand all those torque wrenches require calibration every now and again.

Me personally I prefer the beam style torque wrench when it's able to be used

I've noticed that the beam style is 1) less popular and 2) less expensive. However, I think that the beam style is 1) more accurate and 2) cost effective. I've seen some nice beam type wrenches for $20 or so at Sears and some other stores.
 

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Bought today on sale at autozone $19.99. Used today on caliper mounting bolts and lug nuts.
 
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Buying a used Snap-On off Ebay and having it calibrated might be a good move. You could likely sell it once your done and maybe even be money ahead depending on the deal you got buying it.

Why do that when you can buy the same exact wrench (Precision Instruments) brand new for cheaper. Precision Instruments made the split beam torque wrenches for Snap On...same exact wrench just different colored label inserts (red vs blue). I would see people on eBay pay ~$300 for a used Snap On wrench when they could of gotten the same exact wrench from Precision Instruments new for almost half that price.

I've had great luck with my PI wrenches, PI will also recalibrate them when that time comes for ~$35 each.
 

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Doesn't matter the brand all those torque wrenches require calibration every now and again.

Me personally I prefer the beam style torque wrench when it's able to be used


It seems to me the beam style would be 100% consistent and reliable as long as the pointer and scale are properly centered. I've had both types and the clicking torque wrench seems more user friendly, but there's always the calibration issue and consistency questions.

Other than what I've mentioned, what are the ups and downs of the two types? Is there more to it than that?
 

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Why do that when you can buy the same exact wrench (Precision Instruments) brand new for cheaper. Precision Instruments made the split beam torque wrenches for Snap On...same exact wrench just different colored label inserts (red vs blue). I would see people on eBay pay ~$300 for a used Snap On wrench when they could of gotten the same exact wrench from Precision Instruments new for almost half that price.

I've had great luck with my PI wrenches, PI will also recalibrate them when that time comes for ~$35 each.

Yeah this.

The PI split beams are way harder to screw up; you don't have to remember to release after every use, which is 99% of the reason the standard click types fall out of calibration.
 

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CDI makes a quality torque wrench, I'm pretty sure they make them for Snap-On, I have one of each and they are identical and the CDI cost less than half of the Snap-On. They also come with a calibration sheet.
 
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Though I've only used one of my four HF torque wrenches, (two 1/2", 3/8" and 1/4") I must have the only one with a loud clicker.


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Going through all of the Torque Specs I think I can use a 3/8 Precision, really only thing about 100 is the crankshaft pulley at 133
 

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Though I've only used one of my four HF torque wrenches, (two 1/2", 3/8" and 1/4") I must have the only one with a loud clicker.

Yeah, my 1/2" HF is just as loud as my 3/8" Cman. Maybe they're both super quiet? :dunno:

I picked up a 1/2" Cman and 3/8" SK last weekend, I'll check their "loudness" if I remember.
 

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CDI makes a quality torque wrench, I'm pretty sure they make them for Snap-On, I have one of each and they are identical and the CDI cost less than half of the Snap-On. They also come with a calibration sheet.

That is correct, CDI makes the click type and Precision Instruments used to make the split beams for Snap On.
 

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Why do that when you can buy the same exact wrench (Precision Instruments) brand new for cheaper. Precision Instruments made the split beam torque wrenches for Snap On...same exact wrench just different colored label inserts (red vs blue). I would see people on eBay pay ~$300 for a used Snap On wrench when they could of gotten the same exact wrench from Precision Instruments new for almost half that price.

I've had great luck with my PI wrenches, PI will also recalibrate them when that time comes for ~$35 each.


Thanks for the reference.
 

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Though I've only used one of my four HF torque wrenches, (two 1/2", 3/8" and 1/4") I must have the only one with a loud clicker.


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my 3/8" and 1/2" both click louder than any other torque wrench i've used

have yet to actually use my 1/4" so i can't say
 

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Where does one get stuff calibrated in LA locally? I would love to get mine calibrated. Best to send it to the manufacturer?

I think my next torque wrench will be electronic. Practically never goes out of calibration.
 

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I have 1/4 3/8 1/2 SK, craftsman, Mac, Digital snapon. I'm enjoy the snap-on digital allows me to torque to yeld fasteners without the use of extra steps to measure angle.

I have found that if your torque wrench is calibration is correct it works and I have never had a failure. The brand is your choice.

I would recommend that you spend a little to get quality and accuracy. If you have a local snapon truck they usually can verify calibration, or if you have a known torque wrench that you know is calibration is good you can check a wrench.
I wish you the best in your selection of your new torque wrench.
 

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When torqueing a head for instance, being consistent is just about as important as being 100% accurate. The bolts can be 5 lbs off as long as they all are.
 

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I don't know much about non-electronic torque wrenches. But I know a lot about torque. If you are building an engine at home, it would be a huge advantage to be able to measure "prevailing" or run down torque. The old fashioned dial types do this I think. At this point, I can no longer recommend clickers. I've seen a lot of research lately that points to problems with these.

That aside, the best thing you can do for your engine is to be able to determine the "back drag" (called prevailing torque) of each fastener you are installing so you can adjust your max (installation torque) to ensure each fastener has enough and the same tension.

My vote is used techwrench or the CDI version. I've explained why this has become so important elsewhere on GJ. If anyone is interested, meesage me and I'll find it.
 

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There's another option that I've found at HF but I've yet to try it or hear from anyone who has: a set of torque limiting extension bars. They are rated from 35Nm to 150Nm (I think) and they look nice but looking nice and acting nice are two very different things (e.g. Kim Kardashian).
 

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i've heard wildly mixed reviews... i almost want to pick up the set but would only ever need the 100ft-lb stick
 

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I have a 1/4 3/8 and 1/2 HF Torque wrench already in my collection because lets face it they are cheap on sale but I am getting ready to do a rebuild on my Subaru and am wondering if I should step my Torque wrench game up especially dealing with engine specs?

Do you guys suggest one or over the other? Is HF accurate enough to trust? I do not want to take this engine out again.

Depends on if you've dropped them, used them as a ratchet or left them up in the torque range and not backed them down from zero when you're done each time. If not, they will work fine. ( this is the part where I fully expect the **** to fly:willy_nil) I had a friend who used to work in a place where they calibrated just about anything. They tested low dollar clickers and they were all very accurate. Depends on if you can sleep at night. I did the head gasket on my '88 ****** GT with a HF torque wrench......it's still running. I sleep at night.:beer:
 

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There's another option that I've found at HF but I've yet to try it or hear from anyone who has: a set of torque limiting extension bars. They are rated from 35Nm to 150Nm (I think) and they look nice but looking nice and acting nice are two very different things (e.g. Kim Kardashian).


Personally I don't trust these things, But I do know some who use them. All they are good for is things you can install with an impact ( wheels).. So building an engine "should" be out of the question.


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You are doing a 1 off engine job at this point. We had done a little comparison and unless the thing is obviously broke use it, your engine will never know the difference. Reasonable and consistant is good and I really doubt a stock auto engine head bolt would be able to tell the difference 5# either way.
 

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Personally I don't trust these things, But I do know some who use them. All they are good for is things you can install with an impact ( wheels).. So building an engine "should" be out of the question.


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that is another point they are meant only for use with an impact... using a torque stick with a ratchet or breaker bar will not do anything (well it will do something but i'm sure stripping or snapping a bolt is not a something you would want)

great for zapping on a lug nut before dropping the wheel down (still want to use a torque wrench for final torque)
 

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Wow. I guess if you want to know who makes the absolute cheapest tools, GJ is the right place to come. Otherwise, I'm reading a lot of misleading or just plain misinformation.

An engine rebuild on a subaru is $2-3k. You want to use the world's cheapest torque wrench? Do you realize this is (I'm guessing) an aluminum block, aluminum head boxer with known problems maintaining its head gaskets? OMG.

One poster says you only need to get close to 5ftlbs? Really? That's like 10%. On a TTY with a 180 angle reqt? Do you have any idea what this does to the head gasket?

On TTY bolts you torque everything snug, then torque again higher, then rotate the wrench thru a certain angle. If that second torque is off more than a few percent (Subaru is something like 30ftlbs, then 50ftlbs, then 180 degrees) or, in this case 1 or 2ftlbs, the resulting preload could be dramatically different.

Let's start this again. Is your HF torque wrench good enough to rebuild a Subaru engine? The answer to your question is no! The HF wrenches are not accurate enough. Their published accuracy is +/-4%. Frankly, I don't trust Chinese tech specs, so it could be not even that. You really need to be in the +/-2% region (within 1ftlbs). Based on Snap On's latest literature, I don't think I would do this with a clicker either. They tested their own clickers in the hands of normal techs and got pretty inaccurate results just due to poor technique (pulling too hard into and through the click). That was one reason for the early warning feature of the techwrench.

Then there's the angle. How will you do that? Do you have an angle gage? I assume the engine is out of the car and you have access to be able to rotate a wrench 180 degrees without ratcheting it. That angle needs to be good to about +/-1 degree. With a head gasket, over torquing one bolt is as bad as under torquing.

If you are building a 1970 chevy truck, use whatever torque wrench you want. If you are building a modern engine with a aluminum block, you better be able to torque accurately, turn angles accurately, and be able to inspect head flatness (within +/-.002") AT LEAST. Otherwise, don't waste your time. Just go buy a rebuilt engine.

If I were rebuilding engines I'd be looking for a used Snap On techangle (ATECH2FR100) on ebay. BIN prices are like $200. So maybe someone here can suggest the CDI version and see if they are any cheaper. Last I looked they were cheaper new, but just as much used and harder to find. Once you get it, walk onto a Snap On truck and ask the driver to check it's calibration. Should be under +/-2% from 20% -100% of it's range. These wrenches hold their calibration VERY well. Chances are it will be spot on. There are no springs that relax over time.

If you want to save $1000 on engine rebuild labor, you may need to spend at least half that on tools. I feel that if you spend 99% of that, you are still ahead of the game financially (by $10) and you've got new tools and skills you can use again. But I think a lot of guys feel this is a specialty, not worth doing once.
 
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Wow. I guess if you want to know who makes the absolute cheapest tools, GJ is the right place to come. Otherwise, I'm reading a lot of misleading or just plain misinformation.

An engine rebuild on a subaru is $2-3k. You want to use the world's cheapest torque wrench? Do you realize this is (I'm guessing) an aluminum block, aluminum head boxer with known problems maintaining its head gaskets? OMG.

One poster says you only need to get close to 5ftlbs? Really? That's like 10%. On a TTY with a 180 angle reqt? Do you have any idea what this does to the head gasket?

On TTY bolts you torque everything snug, then torque again higher, then rotate the wrench thru a certain angle. If that second torque is off more than a few percent (Subaru is something like 30ftlbs, then 50ftlbs, then 180 degrees) or, in this case 1 or 2ftlbs, the resulting preload could be dramatically different.

Let's start this again. Is your HF torque wrench good enough to rebuild a Subaru engine? The answer to your question is no! The HF wrenches are not accurate enough. Their published accuracy is +/-4%. Frankly, I don't trust Chinese tech specs, so it could be not even that. You really need to be in the +/-2% region (within 1ftlbs). Based on Snap On's latest literature, I don't think I would do this with a clicker either. They tested their own clickers in the hands of normal techs and got pretty inaccurate results just due to poor technique (pulling too hard into and through the click). That was one reason for the early warning feature of the techwrench.

Then there's the angle. How will you do that? Do you have an angle gage? I assume the engine is out of the car and you have access to be able to rotate a wrench 180 degrees without ratcheting it. That angle needs to be good to about +/-1 degree. With a head gasket, over torquing one bolt is as bad as under torquing.

If you are building a 1970 chevy truck, use whatever torque wrench you want. If you are building a modern engine with a aluminum block, you better be able to torque accurately, turn angles accurately, and be able to inspect head flatness (within +/-.002") AT LEAST. Otherwise, don't waste your time. Just go buy a rebuilt engine.

If I were rebuilding engines I'd be looking for a used Snap On techangle (ATECH2FR100) on ebay. BIN prices are like $200. So maybe someone here can suggest the CDI version and see if they are any cheaper. Last I looked they were cheaper new, but just as much used and harder to find. Once you get it, walk onto a Snap On truck and ask the driver to check it's calibration. Should be under +/-2% from 20% -100% of it's range. These wrenches hold their calibration VERY well. Chances are it will be spot on. There are no springs that relax over time.

If you want to save $1000 on engine rebuild labor, you may need to spend at least half that on tools. I feel that if you spend 99% of that, you are still ahead of the game financially (by $10) and you've got new tools and skills you can use again. But I think a lot of guys feel this is a specialty, not worth doing once.


If the original poster doesn't know any of what you just said, then it just ain't gonna matter anyway, is it?
 
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