Totally Frustrated.

[gabeancounter]

Nathan,

Ohhhh no! I was thinking you used the epoxy coat version. Nothing as of yet. How long has your floor been down? This happens very quickly - 5 weeks for me. Not sure how it will look against black? Maybe it won't show as much? Here is my gut feeling. They used no UV protection in any of the PE products to keep cost down. So anywhere light hits it is yellowing. Does not have to be a lot of light. My suggestion is run and get a good urethane to try and slow down the process, but if happens anyway you might get stuck. My thought is if I had put down a urethane they would have denied it completely.

 

[nathank]

Nathan,

Ohhhh no! I was thinking you used the epoxy coat version. Nothing as of yet. How long has your floor been down? This happens very quickly - 5 weeks for me. Not sure how it will look against black? Maybe it won't show as much? Here is my gut feeling. They used no UV protection in any of the PE products to keep cost down. So anywhere light hits it is yellowing. Does not have to be a lot of light. My suggestion is run and get a good urethane to try and slow down the process, but if happens anyway you might get stuck. My thought is if I had put down a urethane they would have denied it completely.

No, I used the PE product. My floor has been down for 3 weeks now.
My shop doesn't have any windows in it, so if the roll-up and man doors are closed it doesn't see any light. But now I'm so paranoid about it that I don't want to open the doors, and when I do I shut them quickly.

What would be involved in putting a urethane on it (prep, cost, etc), and how much does everyone think it will help?

All of my shop stuff, toolboxes, rolling tables and such, are still stored over in my dad's shop and I think I am going to leave everything over there until I know how this is going to pan out.

 

[TheBanker]

Nathan,

Ohhhh no! I was thinking you used the epoxy coat version. Nothing as of yet. How long has your floor been down? This happens very quickly - 5 weeks for me. Not sure how it will look against black? Maybe it won't show as much? Here is my gut feeling. They used no UV protection in any of the PE products to keep cost down. So anywhere light hits it is yellowing. Does not have to be a lot of light. My suggestion is run and get a good urethane to try and slow down the process, but if happens anyway you might get stuck. My thought is if I had put down a urethane they would have denied it completely.

Well as a New Orleans Saints fan I don't think the black and gold would be bad to have.
Just kidding man, I hope the best for ya.

 

[gabeancounter]

Nathan,
I thought since you used black it was EC. My bad. I think it would help a fair amount. How much???? Doubt you will get an answer. For urethane I think you could use a light sanding, wipe with xylene ( put some on a rag and wipe the floor clean), wait a couple hours and apply urehtane. I am thinking of using HPU747. Cost $100 to cover 500sqft. $50 for 250. Plus rollers.

All I know is that the urethane has UV absorbers to help protect. Norkan told me they ship a bunch of this to installers in FL that have a large amount of sun exposure.

 

[gabeancounter]

Look on the bright side Nathan. Atleast your floor does not look like bankers! lol
Just kidding banker.

 

[Ruddy]

But I was able to get things cleaned back out and took a few pics! Here is a sample.

Besides the "pee", it still looks so shiny! Is it just the camera flash or is not yellowed where you are standing and taking the photo? Is there any logic to how you laid down different batch mixes and the yellow?

 

[gabeancounter]

Ruddy,
Yes, the floor still shines like new. This was after a good sweep and mop job. Seems to occur where the clear is the thickest first. Mine was very thick all over hence the floor. Tried sanding a small spot down and it is colored all the way threw. I have pics of all my floor and it is like this all over. The least in the mechanical room (no sun at all).

 

[Token]

Another thread I'll be watching carefully.

I've still got a few weeks before I put a coating on my floor in my 36 X 24 garage.

Hope all of this gets worked out for you guys, and again, thanks for sharing your experiences.

 

[muncie21]

tag for interest

 

[TheBanker]

Look on the bright side Nathan. Atleast your floor does not look like bankers! lol
Just kidding banker.

lol

 

[Eddieb794]

So now that I have to redo my floor. My question is where did you buy your spiked shoes? I don't want to buy the ones from Northern tool again. And I am looking to keep cost down since this project is costing me more than I had budjected.

 

[gabeancounter]

Eddie,
I just order today from these guys. HPU747 for the urethane coat and one gallon of black epoxy. They are also on ebay and you could play best offer games trying to get a better price etc.
http://www.epoxysuperstore.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=64&products_id=87

 

[TheBanker]

Eddie,
when do you need the shoes? I could send you mine but you know how long it takes me to do things. Message me and I'll see when I can ship them out to you.

 

[nathank]

Eddie,
I just order today from these guys. HPU747 for the urethane coat and one gallon of black epoxy. They are also on ebay and you could play best offer games trying to get a better price etc.
http://www.epoxysuperstore.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=64&products_id=87

Dang man, I could have sent you a gallon of black.

 

[gabeancounter]

Nathan,
I noticed you had a black floor. Just figured you used it all. I appreciate the offer but it is always nice to have some for touch up. Those guys already shipped mine out. I don't remember getting any shipping info from EC?


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[rugerlady]

So now that I have to redo my floor. My question is where did you buy your spiked shoes? I don't want to buy the ones from Northern tool again. And I am looking to keep cost down since this project is costing me more than I had budjected.

Call me I will send you a pair

 

[Eddieb794]

Just got off the phone with Christine. She has agreed to send me a kit of the alphatic clear coat to complete my floor. It is UV protected and a different product than the clear that failed. She has been fair with me during this problem. I will see what happens after I put down the new base and clear coat.
Thanks Eddie.

 

[gabeancounter]

Great news Eddie, glad you were able to avoid to much additional expense!

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Eddie,

Sounds like they are handling your situation a little better. I think they had already agreed to replace your base coat and they have now added the clear coat? The flakes might be a write off but at least they offered a new pair of spikes....

Other than the flakes and time, you should be out less than $50 for the new floor coating.

 

[Jaguar Fan]

So now that I have to redo my floor. My question is where did you buy your spiked shoes? I don't want to buy the ones from Northern tool again. And I am looking to keep cost down since this project is costing me more than I had budjected.

I used old thrift-store golf shoes. man, they were ugly (I understand why someone gave them to GoodWill), but they worked fine. I think they were $5.

 

[rugerlady]

Just got off the phone with Christine. She has agreed to send me a kit of the alphatic clear coat to complete my floor. It is UV protected and a different product than the clear that failed. She has been fair with me during this problem. I will see what happens after I put down the new base and clear coat.
Thanks Eddie.

I also remembered to send you the spikes.

 

[gabeancounter]

The back and forth is getting old....
I do know how to use a search button, I meant that you are going out of your way to dredge up old **** that you know nothing about. There were issues with his floor before he started, plus the burnout tire marks from a forklift. About 6 months ago I found that same thread and asked him to send me pictures so I could see if I could help him. It was a prep and abuse issue. I went to the owner of the company with his pictures.
Anyway. If you would not have hung up the phone with me, and start immediately complaining on the board as to your treatment, I would have gone to the boss and asked for more for you. I tokld you to be completely honest with me and tell me what you thought was fair. You did not. You posted on the board about the yellowing before you even contacted me. I told you I was looking into the problem, you could not wait for a day or two. This is not a small problem to be fixed in 30 minutes. I did call you. You never emailed me at the company without a response. Before I could offer the clear, I needed to make sure I had clear that was different. Your haste has caused us both alot of undue stress. Eddie is satisfied with his issue resolution as well as the other gentleman who just recieved his product and had not put ithe clear down yet.
I'm sorry you are so quick to jump on here bashing me and our company. The outcome for you could have been alot different.
Again, I am sorry that there was an issue with the product, and I truly wish this could have been resolved easier.
Christine

Christine,
Your response says I did not tell you what was fair? So I did not ask you to go to the owner and see if you could supply the flake and clear? All you wanted to supply was the base.

I called you via your cell phone 4/20 @ 6PM because you had not responded to my PM concerning the same yellowing issue that Eddie had. You ask me to send you pics, so I did approx 30 min later. The next morning I followed up with an additional email from work that contained more pictures with all my contact information. My cell, direct work line, fax number, and asked you to send any correspondence via my work email as I did not have access to my home email account from work.

Around 2-3 pm on 4/21 I called because I still had not heard anything. Other than placing the original order you have never spoken to me other than stated above. Please remind me of this conversation that never occurred? If I could figure out anyway to post the actual emails sent while taking personal information off I would. Above is the first and only response ever sent to me after the problem occurred. I am truly glad you did not seek your revenge on Eddie as you have on me for posting your product failure. I am also glad you corrected the issue with Nate before his floor got to far.

I am out the money to fix my floor. So all is good for Epoxy-Coat. Hopefully other GJ members that choose to use your product will not post any issues or they to will suffer the wrath of Rugerlady.

"Old Yeller"

 

[Frogday]

Wow, wasn't expecting to stop by and see this here. My floor has been down for a few months now and the only yellowing I have is where the floor extends beyond the garage door. The 4" strip that is always outside has turned darker than the rest of the floor. I frequently have my doors open, so I expect it will gradually blend in with the rest of the floor closest to the doors.

The only problem I have had is a couple of chips from dropping a heavy piece from the jack on my lift. I just used some 4 minute epoxy to fill in the two small chips...so I have two quarter-sized spots of dark gray epoxy that I can ignore for now.

I've spilled paint and been taking the differential out of a car on mine for the past month - very messy work. Everything seems to clean up fine when I get the time to do it.

 

[Ruddy]

Wow, wasn't expecting to stop by and see this here. My floor has been down for a few months now and the only yellowing I have is where the floor extends beyond the garage door. The 4" strip that is always outside has turned darker than the rest of the floor. I frequently have my doors open, so I expect it will gradually blend in with the rest of the floor closest to the doors.

The only problem I have had is a couple of chips from dropping a heavy piece from the jack on my lift. I just used some 4 minute epoxy to fill in the two small chips...so I have two quarter-sized spots of dark gray epoxy that I can ignore for now.

I've spilled paint and been taking the differential out of a car on mine for the past month - very messy work. Everything seems to clean up fine when I get the time to do it.

Frogday, good to "hear" from you! I forget, you have the cyclo epoxy from epoxy-coat site and not the aphlitic from their performanceepoxy site, correct?

 

[XcYZ]

Eddie it looks like it is gone. Maybe Gabeancounter had it deleted??

Yes, I asked to have it removed.

Well, I wish I could undo removing the thread. It just bothered me to no end. I kept wanting to blow a gasket after reading some of the post.

On a somewhat related subject, as an owner/admin/webmaster of a site running vBulletin, I'd be shocked if that thread was actually hard deleted out of the database. It was most likely 'soft' deleted or moved to an area that is only accessable by Mods and Admins. I always keep the threads that are asked to be deleted by moving them to what I call the dumpster, an area only accessable by Admin. It's valuable to have those deleted threads for future reference for all parties involved.

If you'd like to have your thread back, contact the person who 'deleted' it and ask if the thread was soft deleted or moved, and if it can be moved back.

Hope this helps.

 

[gabeancounter]

Hey Frogday,
I think you used the other line. Everyone that used the PE version of EC had similar results that I am aware of. Just curious if you ever applied a urethane or some other UV protector?

Scott,
Thanks for the info. I will ask to have it brought back if possible. I plan to attack the refinihsing of my floor this weekend. Would really like to just add it to the post rather than recreating the whole process again.
By the way, I read your garage thread several times in the past and really liked the overhead storage. That Camaro is beyond words. Great job.

 

[Frogday]

I had to go to the site to check what it was I ordered...it was the Cycloaliphatic epoxy. So I guess that is probably the difference here.

I didn't apply any UV coating, which is why I am getting the darker area outside the door. That strip turned dark within 1-2 weeks and the floor inside the door doesn't appear any darker yet.

 

[rugerlady]

Frogday, if I had your name I could double check what you ordered. PM me if you want. We have sold alot of the Performance Epoxy. Unfortunately, 2 people did have an issue with the clear. This issue has been resolved.

 

[Frogday]

I'm almost certain I got the Cycloaliphatic epoxy. I hadn't even heard about the other kits people started ordering until after I had finished mine. PM sent.

 

[thegarageguy]

Am I following this correctly? You will be sealing the chips with an epoxy only, again? No polyurethane will be applied as a final sealer?

Also, a question, what type of lighting do you have in your garage? Is it florescent? They give off a ton of UV and have seen them prematurely amber a floor. Especially the ones not properly top coated.

 

[gabeancounter]

Garage guy,
I will not be using any flake. I am thinking I will sand the floor with a plate sander with a 80 grit screen (12x18). Wipe with exylene. Then apply the 100% solids gray base, then urethane (HPU747-Norkan) solvent based. I am thinking the HPU-747 is the Devoe 379UVA repackaged.

Question: The reason for the plate sander is that a pole sander was only making slight scratches. To take the shine off I had to sand in one spot for maybe thirty seconds. 800sqft would wear me out. The plate sander I have used in the past on hardwood floors and allows me to get in all the corners and close to the wall. What equipment would you use?

 

[tpm369]

Am I following this correctly?

Also, a question, what type of lighting do you have in your garage? Is it florescent? They give off a ton of UV and have seen them prematurely amber a floor. Especially the ones not properly top coated.

Good question, I was also wondering that. I can see the reflection of some 4 footers in one of the pics, but do the other guys having the yellowing also use florescent?

 

[q20v]

plus the burnout tire marks from a forklift.

Drive it like you stole it!

 

[Big Boi]

Any updates?

 

[gabeancounter]

Well, here are the lights I used. I don't know what type lights Eddie is using.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58026

The forklift burnout was on new concrete I guess. This is the thread she is referring to
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15518

Any updates? They never told me why this has happened.