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DAWrench

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I don't get hung up on country of origin as much as if the tool will do the job I need it to. Knipex makes good pliers and Snapon makes good wrenches but a lot of the tools from Taiwan are really good. I like to support USA workers if possible but buying just USA made tools is not the best choice for me
 
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I don't get hung up on country of origin as much as if the tool will do the job I need it to. Knipex makes good pliers and Snapon makes good wrenches but a lot of the tools from Taiwan are really good. I like to support USA workers if possible but buying just USA made tools is not the best choice for me
Makes sense my friend. I also buy tools made in Taiwan
 

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What are some good Canadian made tool companies? I'm interested
 

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Country of origin has never been important to me. I never understood why it’s such a big deal for some. I am a professional mechanic and there is no way I’m paying USA prices for some things. Knipex are quite nice though and I’ve got a lot of Snap-on stuff too but it’s stuff I wanted to spend more money on. The rest of my stuff is mainly from the parts stores, Harbor Freight, Lowe’s, Home Depot, whatever. Parts stores are my preferred place for tools.
 

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I do try to buy made in USA tools when possible but I'm not a professional.

Sadly, I find less made in USA tools every year. It seems to me that the more affordable MiUSA options disappear first.

Sometimes you just have to go with whatever tool you can find/afford to get the job done.
 

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Do you guys prefer buying tools made in U.S.A. or made in Germany? I buy U.S.A. to help support our workers, don't get me wrong I love Knipex, but I much rather buy Channellock, Matco, Snap On, etc

I like Japanese tools nowadays, but I've got USA, Germany, France, Italy and UK made tools.

I avoid politics, but If someone in a cheap suit and a fancy haircut is currently telling you where to buy tools, you might just have come to the right place 😂
 

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It depends on the tool and usage, I have a big mix of USA and German (and others) and there are some tools that one company just does better than others for me: Stahlwille 14 and 20 series wrenches, Knipex flush cut pliers, and PB Swiss cross-handle hex and torx drivers, etc. My sockets are mostly Wright, SK and Gray Canada.

Less relevant but actually pretty helpful for organization, all my SAE wrenches are USA (Wright and Proto) and all my metric are German (Stahlwille and Hazet). It's nice for grabbing sizes and keeping the toolbox usable.
 

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I don't pay attention to COO anymore. Just Strictly quality, just so happens that USA does make some good quality tools. I do try and do my part in supporting the local economy.
 

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I prefer Canadian made.
Not to being mean but how much of Gray tools under the new owners is still made in Canada, the only Gray stuff I have is made in Canada but not really sold in the US much any more. I don't see a sale add on the web site but last time I did see one it was pushing mostly the imported stuff. I really do wish them well as they are the last like in England King **** is the last made in England hand tool company also under the threat of imports like everybody
 

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Large majority of my hand tools are Hazet Germany but they were bought at a very good price, 1/3rd of retail about 20 years ago. Only bought a few new Hazet tools since then.
Have bought several knipex pliers in the last few years if a deal is found.

Started out with craftsman 30to40yrs ago but most have been replaced. Every warrantied item was significantly lower quality. Yet a few craftsman tools I did buy recently were significantly better than the 30+ year old ones. The long flex head wrenches were a score recently. Think they are Facom.

Have very few snap on tools and what I have was real cheap, used or free. Never had a desire to have anything fron the brand.

Otherwise, I am open to any brand and COO of its priced right and good quality. Yeah I do have some Pittsburgh deep impacts and no complaints. Had them 15 plus years.
 

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If you buy USA, German or Japan, you know its good and it will only hurt you once, when you pay. China and Taiwan - you often don't know.
 
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I have Belzer socket set that is very nice. I can't stand Knipex though.

But I still prefer Snap on, Mac and Cornwell. SK is ok too, for certain things....

Overall, I prefer the USA made tools.
 

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I like German most of the time. But a lot of the stuff coming out of Taiwan is really good. I have both Knipex and ICON pliers wrenches and to be honest I can't tell the difference. TOPTUL's sockets and wrenches are as good as anybody's. Channellock hasn't come out with anything new since the stone age so I have little respect for them. I saw the Channellock factory in Meadville once and to say I was under impressed would be putting it mildly.
 

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I seek out quality tools from Taiwan, these seem to exel - quality vs value. I have found Tekton, Carlyle, Icon, Astro, Blackhawk & Evercraft - almost always on sale.

Otherwise Chinese tools are good enough for occasional homeowner use. HF & prime day were good to me.

Fortunately I built up a decent tool selection, this past year, in a new USG 42" box. I don't plan on expanding much more unless prices drop.
 

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I like German most of the time. But a lot of the stuff coming out of Taiwan is really good. I have both Knipex and ICON pliers wrenches and to be honest I can't tell the difference. TOPTUL's sockets and wrenches are as good as anybody's. Channellock hasn't come out with anything new since the stone age so I have little respect for them. I saw the Channellock factory in Meadville once and to say I was under impressed would be putting it mildly.
Legacy manufacturer can't blame them for having older equipment. As manufacturing cost increased in the USA, they have managed to stay relatively affordable. They have come out with new stuff, most notably the speedgrip pliers, I like them myself.
 

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I really do wish them well as they are the last like in England King **** is the last made in England hand tool company
Always bought British made when I was on the tools. Actually this city made every type of hand tool for every trade and also eating tools, or cutlery. Plus cutting tools, scissors, measuring so on and such like.
Very good quality and price was ok.
No longer.
German tools always very good, U.S excellent but expensive here, Gray as well but they were rare here.
As for King **** are they just importing and adding their name to tools?
 

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Always bought British made when I was on the tools. Actually this city made every type of hand tool for every trade and also eating tools, or cutlery. Plus cutting tools, scissors, measuring so on and such like.
Very good quality and price was ok.
No longer.
German tools always very good, U.S excellent but expensive here, Gray as well but they were rare here.
As for King **** are they just importing and adding their name to tools?
I am sure some are imported but they state they make a lot of the products in the UK still
 

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Don’t have any German made tools that I am aware of. Only US & Taiwan/China.
 

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Country of origin has never been important to me. I never understood why it’s such a big deal for some. I am a professional mechanic and there is no way I’m paying USA prices for some things. Knipex are quite nice though and I’ve got a lot of Snap-on stuff too but it’s stuff I wanted to spend more money on. The rest of my stuff is mainly from the parts stores, Harbor Freight, Lowe’s, Home Depot, whatever. Parts stores are my preferred place for tools.
The US sends a lot of highly sought after and high BTU metallurgical coal to Asia for steel production. Some of these imported tools are made with coal from where you live Blake, which supports the domestic economy.

The mines I was involved with used the typical US industrial brands, but also had no issues with Grey Pneumatic and other quality imports. All the third shift miners (maintenance shift) had vise grips with a ring welded to the adjusting screw tethered to their belt, an adjustable wrench, channellocks and a brass stamped nametag for ID incase of the worst. Knipex were nowhere in sight (except my own) and no one had ever heard of them.
Two things they were adamant about being USA made were Ridgid pipe wrenches, which they had in every size from 6" to 60", and Proto torque wrenches (for calibration requirements). High quality hardware was also a requirement but COO varied by what was available, lots sourced from McMCarr. Kennametal specialized products abounded. Don't even get me started on the millions in CAT parts inventory.

Summary: Quality/reliability > COO. This has become my personal MO.
 

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I buy a lot of German made goods, but German hand tools outside of Knipex don't do it for me. I really think the USA, Japan, Taiwan, and the other EU nations make stuff that better suits my needs. German power tools are legit, but those are quickly disappearing. When I'm in Germany, I don't even look at tools.
 

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I seek out quality tools from Taiwan, these seem to exel - quality vs value. I have found Tekton, Carlyle, Icon, Astro, Blackhawk & Evercraft - almost always on sale.

Otherwise Chinese tools are good enough for occasional homeowner use. HF & prime day were good to me.

Fortunately I built up a decent tool selection, this past year, in a new USG 42" box. I don't plan on expanding much more unless prices drop.
With the new 36% tariff on Taiwan goods, they will no longer be a good value.
 

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There is no generic best. Whatever the best tool is.
For pliers, I like Knipex because in my opinion, they have been the best. I can’t think of any other German tools that I think re really fantastic except the Knipex pliers. I’ll entertain a Taiwanese alternative at 1/3 of the price if it gets the job done. I think the Europeans do make the best small/micro screwdrivers too.

My Taiwan-made FACOM 440XL and MAC precision torque wrenches are my favorite combo wrenches. I will take them over any Snap-On or Knucklebusters (or the equivalent Proto J1200 series combo wrenches which are half the price of the knuckle busters for the same thing). Seriously… I don’t know why anyone would buy Knucklebusters unless they are at a steep discount when the identical US made Proto J1200RM-T500 can be had for 320 bucks.

I would stock up on your Icons and Taiwan made goods is you need them before prices jack up. So glad I made my Tone and Ko-Ken orders from Japan months ago and avoid these tariffs.
 

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My Taiwan-made FACOM 440XL and MAC precision torque wrenches are my favorite combo wrenches. I will take them over any Snap-On or Knucklebusters (or the equivalent Proto J1200 series combo wrenches which are half the price of the knuckle busters for the same thing). Seriously… I don’t know why anyone would buy Knucklebusters unless they are at a steep discount when the identical US made Proto J1200RM-T500 can be had for 320 bucks.
Cheapest I could find was over $400, which seems awfully pricey for a set of combination wrenches. And will probably just go higher once the tariffs start inflating the import sets.
 

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Cheapest I could find was over $400, which seems awfully pricey for a set of combination wrenches. And will probably just go higher once the tariffs start inflating the import sets.
20% Zoro discount. ;) That set goes from 7 through 24 without skips except 23??? I think…. So the pricey larger wrenches are included. The Wright 958 (I prefer polish over the matte) is 300 bucks…. 240 with a 20% discount, but the Protos have much better fit and finish.

They are great wrenches and arguably the best made in USA set. Better than the Wrights which arguably are the best bang for the buck. I heard some people complain that the Knucklebusters (and thus the Protos) can hurt when people are really yanking on them. That’s a personal “fit” issue.

I’m not a fan of all these YouTube wrench tests applying torque well beyond anything you could produce in a practical setting. The Protos do very well and the anti-slip design of the open end do not have aggressive teeth.
 
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Domestic producers are not going to raise their prices, just because they can?

I believe it's coming because US steel prices have already increased ~25% this year in anticipation of the import steel tariffs. Which goes along with what you said. Material cost is typically a minor amount of the total cost for most hand tools, so I wouldn't expect a large cost increase, but would expect US tool prices to increase simply due to steel costing more. I'd be surprised if Snap On hasn't already increased some prices this year due to this.

Either way, if we compare Tekton, Capri.... Taiwan made prices to the similar Proto USA or Williams USA product, I'm guessing Taiwan will be about half as much, or less, for typical tools like sockets, wrenches, ratchets. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'd expect the imports to still be less expensive even with the tariffs.
 

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I love American tools. Always have.

Might seem slightly odd, as I’m British, but historically American tools were the best. My Grandfather had a lot, and I grew up using them, so they just seem “right” to me, even now.

Of course, British and American “tastes’ in tools are very similar, but I’m essentially buying the tool for what it is, rather than out of patriotism.

The U.K. and the U.S. have a lot of shared history though, so if a working guy from Kenosha, Wisconsin is helped to make a living by my purchases, that’s just fine.

The only downside for me is that so many of the manufacturers I regard highly, have disappeared. I would love to own a set Blackhawk ”Gripline” sockets in metric, some Bonney wrenches, or a few short box end Armstrong, but it’s never going to be.

I like German tools too though. Although very different in style and finish, I find many German tools very “useable”. The quality is consistent and you know that the folks making them are proud of their products.

In some circumstances, a German made tool is simply more “appropriate”. If I’m unbolting some rusted scabby fastener from a tractor, that matte finished German made wrench is going to show less evidence of the job than a polished Snap On.

So in the best traditions of Garage Journal, you need both…!

But in my case that’s in addition to my British, French, Swiss, Swedish, Austrian, Italian, Canadian, Japanese etc etc tools…,
 
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