Unknown vintage tools

[Graysgarage]

Need some help identifying these tools… I am at a loss. Any feedback helps.

 

[BMWBOB]

I'm pretty sure these are leather working tools. The first would be used to bevel the edge and I believe (not completely sure) that the other would be used as a gouge

Need some help identifying these tools… I am at a loss. Any feedback helps.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I can't tell if that marking is "DEP.", in which case it would be Department, or "DET.", in which case it could be Detachment, but the "ORD." is almost certainly Ordnance. The U.S. Army Ordnance Dept had numerous toolkits, including upholsterers, who repaired seats, seat covers, tops, etc., made of canvas, leather, and other materials.

 

[Graysgarage]

I can't tell if that marking is "DEP.", in which case it would be Department, or "DET.", in which case it could be Detachment, but the "ORD." is almost certainly Ordnance. The U.S. Army Ordnance Dept had numerous toolkits, including upholsterers, who repaired seats, seat covers, tops, etc., made of canvas, leather, and other materials.

Well… found this gem when I went through the rest of the items.. Well done lugnutz now just need to do some more research on it but haven’t found anything as of yet on the screwdriver.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Thanks. I have dozens of tools with "ORD.", "ORD", "ORD. DEPT." and "ORDNANCE" markings, including tire pressure gauges. I just couldn't ascertain if that second word was DEP or DET from your photo. I'll see if I can find something in my manuals and other references to help you figure out what you have there. If you post "the rest of the items" it might help!

 

[Graysgarage]

Thanks. I have dozens of tools with "ORD.", "ORD", "ORD. DEPT." and "ORDNANCE" markings, including tire pressure gauges. I just couldn't ascertain if that second word was DEP or DET from your photo. I'll see if I can find something in my manuals and other references to help you figure out what you have there. If you post "the rest of the items" it might help!

Most of the rest of the items are screw drivers and sockets nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Phillips, regular, perfect handle? What brand sockets? What age? When you find wartime ORD DEPT tools, it raises some interest.

 

[Graysgarage]

Yeah just some Stanley, apex, husky screwdrivers and as for the sockets fleet, craftsman and a few other brands. I’ll post some other items.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Yeah those do sound all common and postwar.

 

[Graysgarage]

Found this guy but no info on him.. I’ll post some more pics.

 

[Graysgarage]

Some random pics still need to clean them and see if I can find a mfg marking on them.

 

[3baygarage]

Found this guy but no info on him. I’ll post some more pics.

This is a break spring tool for Chrysler. not sure what brand that is but common to see in major brands.

 

[3baygarage]

#1- I've seen a number of them, may have one around. Not sure but it could be a valve adjusting screwdriver.

 

[mritchie77]

Some random pics still need to clean them and see if I can find a mfg marking on them.

I have the same screwdriver that's front and center in picture #2 (middle). No idea who made it or what purpose it was. Unlike any other flatblade I have.

 

[Graysgarage]

This is a break spring tool for Chrysler. not sure what brand that is but common to see in major brands.

Figured it was for an older car but what… I’ll try to do a search for Chrysler AETCO see if I can come up with any info on it! Thanks 3bay!

 

[RTM]

One of my favorite tool mongers says AETCO is American Edge Tool Company, a maker of chisels. May not be the same as yours, just a data point.

Air & Electric Tool Company seems to be another one of millions

 

[Graysgarage]

Yeah those do sound all common and postwar.

Thought I’d share this gem with ya! Found a little bit of info on it.. googled AT-8069 and found a pic of it as well as some info but not a lot! I don’t know all the rules so not going to post a link just yet..

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That's a prewar Bonney water pump wrench with what could be a model number used by the USAAF.

 

[Graysgarage]

That's a prewar Bonney water pump wrench with what could be a model number used by the USAAF.

 

[Ricky Joe]

#1- I've seen a number of them, may have one around. Not sure but it could be a valve adjusting screwdriver.

Valve adjuster screwdrivers weren’t so “v” shaped, but had a flat blade with extensions on the sides to keep y them from sliding off.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Yeah, those are them. Yours is a Bonney, as I said, and that circle CV (Chrome Canadium) logo is prewar, or at the latest, 1942. OEMs were given some leeway to use up restricted steel they already had in stock. The "AT" was used by other USAAF related outfits, too, including Ranger Fairchild.

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[Chamilton]

Hello! Hope I’m posting in right place. Any clues to what this may be? Thank you for any help or guess.

 

[RTM]

adjustable spanner wrench, maybe to open the back of a watch (unless your are British, then I don't know the name). Drop the ends into the grooves in the watch back, give it a spin.

 

[Graysgarage]

Hello! Hope I’m posting in right place. Any clues to what this may be? Thank you for any help or guess.

Thanks for high jacking my thread!!! jk welcome! See if there are any marking on it! Like he said that might be for a watch/fine jewelry or something of the sort good luck!

 

[Graysgarage]

Hard to read mfg logo looks like a screw and a nail going through the logo but can’t tell the letters…

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That's a Reed & Prince monograph. The inked markings on the flutes on their longer handles read, in order, "REED & PRINCE MFG CO.", "WORCESTER - CHICAGO", "RECESSED HEAD", "WOOD SCREWS", "MACHINE SCREWS", "SHEET METAL SCREWS", and "STOVE BOLTS" with one blank. I don't know how much of that would fit on a stubby. The ferrule would've most likely been marked "R. & P. MFG CO."

That's a nice find. I am fond of them, and I have a couple, but not a stubby. If you want to see examples with the full markings, search "Reed Prince" on the 'Show us your wood (screwdrivers)' thread. See Index of Threads in the Sticky.

Note, if you're not familiar, that they are cruciform or cross-recess tip, but not Phillips, and they are not interchangeable with Phillips. You can occasionally turn an R&P screw with a Phillips driver, but the opposite usually just ends in frustration or a rounded out screw head.

 

[Old Man Roger]

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[Old Man Roger]

Thanks for high jacking my thread!!! jk welcome! See if there are any marking on it! Like he said that might be for a watch/fine jewelry or something of the sort good luck!

The thread title does lend itself to a public access type of thread.lol

Got some unknown vintage tools, post them here kind of thing.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Got some unknown vintage tools, post them here kind of thing.

Unfortunately, if you search the VB on "Unknown" or "Whatzit" you will find dozens. They come and go. And I suspect that even if we had started and maintained a good, long, unified one, someone would come along and start another one as soon as it was off of Page 1, because... say it with me, 'Nobody reads the Sticky!' Nature of the beast.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Unfortunately, if you search the VB on "Unknown" or "Whatzit" you will find dozens. They come and go. And I suspect that even if we had started and maintained a good, long, unified one, someone would come along and start another one as soon as it was off of Page 1, because... say it with me, 'Nobody reads the Sticky!' Nature of the beast.

Totally agree.

 

[Graysgarage]

That's a Reed & Prince monograph. The inked markings on the flutes on their longer handles read, in order, "REED & PRINCE MFG CO.", "WORCESTER - CHICAGO", "RECESSED HEAD", "WOOD SCREWS", "MACHINE SCREWS", "SHEET METAL SCREWS", and "STOVE BOLTS" with one blank. I don't know how much of that would fit on a stubby. The ferrule would've most likely been marked "R. & P. MFG CO."

That's a nice find. I am fond of them, and I have a couple, but not a stubby. If you want to see examples with the full markings, search "Reed Prince" on the 'Show us your wood (screwdrivers)' thread. See Index of Threads in the Sticky.

Note, if you're not familiar, that they are cruciform or cross-recess tip, but not Phillips, and they are not interchangeable with Phillips. You can occasionally turn an R&P screw with a Phillips driver, but the opposite usually just ends in frustration or a rounded out screw head.

Controversial question what is it worth?

 

[Graysgarage]

The thread title does lend itself to a public access type of thread.lol

Got some unknown vintage tools, post them here kind of thing.

I know just messing with him a little it’s all good we are all a group of individual sharing our love for tools!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Controversial question what is it worth?

It would only be controversial, and better said, off-putting, if that had been your first post and you never showed up again. We get too many fly-by's who make no genuine contribution only looking for quick information.

Collectible vintage tool values depend on rarity, demand, and condition. Lots of sellers, especially on eBait, neglect the second. Your R&P stubby has enough of the first, not much of the second, and none of the third. Different story if it was a Blue-Point, its ferrule wasn't missing, and the finish and markings were intact, just for contrast. That's not to say there's no market for lesser known or obscure brands, including R&P. I bet there are a few guys out there who have a little R&P collection going. They made Craftsman screwdrivers with composite handles and those are fairly popular. I wouldn't mind having it, frankly, and if it had the ferrule, and more of the finish and the handle markings were intact, I might even say, "Hey, put that in a future trade pile for me when we have enough tools to make the shipping worthwhile," and I would expect you to expect something around $10-15 or so in value in return from me for that, which you will see happen around here if you stick around long enough. As is, though, it's probably not worth more than its value as a user, which would be a buck or two at a flea market.

I'll add this. Newbies sometimes get the wrong idea about the passion around here. The degree to which we can go on and on about something, digging up period ads, and providing all kinds of esoteric information, has no correlation to its monetary value.

And close with this. I don't shop on eBait. But I do use the Advanced Search, with the "[ ] Sold Listings" button checked. It will provide a fairly accurate assessment, over time, of going rates.

 

[Graysgarage]

It would only be controversial, and better said, off-putting, if that had been your first post and you never showed up again. We get too many fly-by's who make no genuine contribution only looking for quick information.

Collectible vintage tool values depend on rarity, demand, and condition. Lots of sellers, especially on eBait, neglect the second. Your R&P stubby has enough of the first, not much of the second, and none of the third. Different story if it was a Blue-Point, its ferrule wasn't missing, and the finish and markings were intact, just for contrast. That's not to say there's no market for lesser known or obscure brands, including R&P. I bet there are a few guys out there who have a little R&P collection going. They made Craftsman screwdrivers with composite handles and those are fairly popular. I wouldn't mind having it, frankly, and if it had the ferrule, and more of the finish and the handle markings were intact, I might even say, "Hey, put that in a future trade pile for me when we have enough tools to make the shipping worthwhile," and I would expect you to expect something around $10-15 or so in value in return from me for that, which you will see happen around here if you stick around long enough. As is, though, it's probably not worth more than its value as a user, which would be a buck or two at a flea market.

I'll add this. Newbies sometimes get the wrong idea about the passion around here. The degree to which we can go on and on about something, digging up period ads, and providing all kinds of esoteric information, has no correlation to its monetary value.

And close with this. I don't shop on eBait. But I do use the Advanced Search, with the "[ ] Sold Listings" button checked. It will provide a fairly accurate assessment, over time, of going rates.

Yup figured!! Yeah nope I collect, trade and sell so I know how it goes.. For me condition is everything but I love refurbishing old tools.. Yes I get that you get a lot of members that are only here when they need help.. I use a few old tool websites to search through tools but every once in a while I get stumped glad for every one on here and their input!! I’m based in Southern California! Thanks again lugz!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

No prob. Funny, I got curious. Just double-checked myself. An R&P stubby like yours, but with the ferrule, and all the markings, just sold for $15 on ePay.

 

[Graysgarage]

Yeah I think I’m here for good! Love old tools too much can’t stop buying them and researching for more info on them.. I have came across this forum many many times but told myself next time I’ll sign up!! Again thanks again to everyone who put their input in it is all helpful because I just do more research and learn about new items to look out for next time I go buy old tools.

 

[Graysgarage]

Just thought I’d post it on this thread since I already opened it… thought I’d share this old cast iron padlock safety deposit box.. no mfg markings on it and can’t really find anything close to it on the web but it’s pretty neat now gotta find a key for it.

 

[d42jeep]

That's a Reed & Prince monograph. The inked markings on the flutes on their longer handles read, in order, "REED & PRINCE MFG CO.", "WORCESTER - CHICAGO", "RECESSED HEAD", "WOOD SCREWS", "MACHINE SCREWS", "SHEET METAL SCREWS", and "STOVE BOLTS" with one blank. I don't know how much of that would fit on a stubby. The ferrule would've most likely been marked "R. & P. MFG CO."

That's a nice find. I am fond of them, and I have a couple, but not a stubby. If you want to see examples with the full markings, search "Reed Prince" on the 'Show us your wood (screwdrivers)' thread. See Index of Threads in the Sticky.

Note, if you're not familiar, that they are cruciform or cross-recess tip, but not Phillips, and they are not interchangeable with Phillips. You can occasionally turn an R&P screw with a Phillips driver, but the opposite usually just ends in frustration or a rounded out screw head.

Here is one I found at a Tahoe moving sale yesterday. When I saw the tip I figured it had to be a Reed & Prince driver. I spent some time today cleaning it up. It has all of the markings that Lugz mentions above.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Intetesting. I have a few, all wood handled. I've never seen one with a composite handle before, Don. It's neat that they put all the same markings on it.

 

[Ricky Joe]

Yeah, those are them. Yours is a Bonney, as I said, and that circle CV (Chrome Canadium) logo is prewar, or at the latest, 1942. OEMs were given some leeway to use up restricted steel they already had in stock. The "AT" was used by other USAAF related outfits, too, including Ranger Fairchild.

Edit: Snapmom has a Packard Merlin kit going here....

Packard Built Rolls Royce Merlin Tool Kit AT9368

I have been trying to finish this set for some time. I doubt if I will ever finish. Most of the tools are Whitworth, made by several USA tools companies. Snap on, Bonney, Armstrong, Plomb, and others made tools for these kits. There were several kits for this engine, P51 also I think the...

www.garagejournal.com

For the USAAF marking to be prewar, it would have to have been made between June and December, 1941.