Vintage Craftsman Table Saw Thread

[Outlawmws]

Got it; for that piece your Amsoil should be good for many many years. It was probably greased at the factory, "for life" not something that should collect **** inside with close tolerances, and the grease isn't really going any where, and certainly not at high speed...

 

[tshusker]

My first, and only, table saw is the Craftsman 8" Tilting Arbor (103.22171) with 3/4 Motor (397.19241).

 

[lafester]

I've been searching for one of these all summer with no luck. I see several of the atlas(?) models, the ones with the weird triangle shaped fence. Something about these WT models though, they just seem so solid. One problem is, even looking at the WT version pics, none of them ever seem to have the extensions.

Here's my contribution, a Craftsman-branded, but I believe Walker-Turner made, 8'' table saw. When I got it the guide fence knob was broken off, so I did my best to reproduce the knob by building a mold and casting a new one using JB Weld as the casting material. I also sanded the wooden guide on the fence down and re-lacquered it. I've yet to hook a motor back up to it and put it back into service.

I'm currently in the process of restoring the miter-gauge.

 

[MayerMR]

I've been searching for one of these all summer with no luck. I see several of the atlas(?) models, the ones with the weird triangle shaped fence. Something about these WT models though, they just seem so solid. One problem is, even looking at the WT version pics, none of them ever seem to have the extensions.

Yeah, I got lucky and found it on eBay for the cheap and then had it shipped via a uShip courier. But you're right, I've never seen the extensions for them either and I've been looking relatively actively for over a year now.

 

[lafester]

Yeah, I got lucky and found it on eBay for the cheap and then had it shipped via a uShip courier. But you're right, I've never seen the extensions for them either and I've been looking relatively actively for over a year now.

Never tried uShip before. Do they pack for the seller?
I just found a Walker Turner 10", just a little bigger then yours.
Was very happy it had the geared miter and fence micro adjust.

 

[MayerMR]

Never tried uShip before. Do they pack for the seller?
I just found a Walker Turner 10", just a little bigger then yours.
Was very happy it had the geared miter and fence micro adjust.

I *think* that you can stipulate whether you need it packed or blanket wrapped, etc. But UShip is interesting, it's a mix of professional drivers/haulers and just some people driving across the country and wanting to get their gas tank filled up by filling extra space. I've had experiences with both types and have had good experiences with both. Mostly noticed that the random people do a better job packing and tend to care for the item better. My singular bad experience was when I used a LTL (Less than Load) carrier (XPO Logistics formerly Conway) - they broke the pallet that my motorcycle engine was attached to and instead of fixed it, they just let it roll around for 1100 miles, passing through 3 different distribution centers without a single person saying, "Hey let's fix that before it gets damaged". As you can imagine, the fins on my 50 year old motorcycle engine were trashed.

That's my singular bad experience, and it wasn't even UShip's fault, it was the carrier that I selected, so I can't be made at them. It'd be like being made at Priceline because the Airline canceled your flight, ya know?

 

[Steel A Rod]

Finally got the stand finished on my old Atlas Craftsman.
Great little saw

 

[MayerMR]

Finally got the stand finished on my old Atlas Craftsman.
Great little saw

That looks fantastic! It's especially funny because just last Friday I dropped off the same Rockwell table saw stand at my sandblaster with the intent to put my Craftsman/Walker-Turner table saw on it once it's cleaned up. Did you make the doors yourself? They look great and I want to shamelessly copy your idea.

 

[Outlawmws]

A Rod, is that a Craftsman stand or a delta as Mayer mentioned?

I've got an old school Typewriter stand; the type with the pedal to retract the wheels, for mine. good height for me, and I'll be adding dust collection and a drawer or two for the blades and attachments.

I have one complete 8" Atlas and another with a broken motor mount. I'll be cherry picking both for the best parts.

 

[MayerMR]

A Rod, is that a Craftsman stand or a delta as Mayer mentioned?

I've got an old school Typewriter stand; the type with the pedal to retract the wheels, for mine. good height for me, and I'll be adding dust collection and a drawer or two for the blades and attachments.

I have one complete 8" Atlas and another with a broken motor mount. I'll be cherry picking both for the best parts.

If it's not a Rockwell stand, then whatever company made it made them for different companies. The little levers on mine have the stylized Rockwell "R" on them. Mine is identical, albeit rustier haha.

 

[bubinga]

Finally got the stand finished on my old Atlas Craftsman.
Great little saw

That looks fantastic! It's especially funny because just last Friday I dropped off the same Rockwell table saw stand at my sandblaster with the intent to put my Craftsman/Walker-Turner table saw on it once it's cleaned up. Did you make the doors yourself? They look great and I want to shamelessly copy your idea.

It's Beautiful.
Nice Job!!!

 

[Steel A Rod]

Yes, It's a Delta/Rockwell stand. This is the larger stand, about 19" x 20". A lot of the D/R stands are 15 x 15 which are just a little to small for this table saw. The sides are just painted plywood, set into the back of the leg. Found some extra saw louvers and put those in to let it breath a little. Have some heater filter material behind each louver to help control the dust.
Thanks to all for the kind words. These are great little saws. Been using this one for a few years now. Love the vintage look. Goes well with my other Craftsman "Long C" machines.

 

[MayerMR]

Yes, It's a Delta/Rockwell stand. This is the larger stand, about 19" x 20". A lot of the D/R stands are 15 x 15 which are just a little to small for this table saw. The sides are just painted plywood, set into the back of the leg. Found some extra saw louvers and put those in to let it breath a little. Have some heater filter material behind each louver to help control the dust.
Thanks to all for the kind words. These are great little saws. Been using this one for a few years now. Love the vintage look. Goes well with my other Craftsman "Long C" machines.

Well I like it so much that I'm about to copy the **** out of you! haha

 

[Cameronl]

I got my little 8" Craftsman saw back in action.

Built a stand, added an extension, and made a better fence for it.
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Earlier in this thread I showed the custom motor mount I created to replace the missing one that allowed the motor to slide as the arbor tipped.
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Added a new blade and zero clearance insert, and now it cuts like a dream.
I'm thinking of adding a router lift the the extension. I build a lift already, but currently it's stuck in a simple router table I threw together.

 

[CKS1955]

Very cool fence setup.

Jay

 

[bubinga]

Very cool fence setup.

Jay

yeah awesome
did you have that posted in its own thread, swear l saw it before.
Just wondering Now.....L0L

 

[Cameronl]

yeah awesome
did you have that posted in its own thread, swear l saw it before.
Just wondering Now.....L0L

I don't think I've posted it here before... but I did make another one previously for another Craftsman saw. It's also not an original design. I found it here:
https://ibuildit.ca/plans/wooden-table-saw-fence/

There are a lot of homemade fences on the web, but this one tics all the boxes:

• Looks good
• Easy to build (all 1/2" ply with no complicated cuts.)
• Detailed plans. (best $12 I ever spent)
• Easy to tune to your saw (most homemade ones don't appear to be very adjustable, so you better get it perfectly square all around.
• Balls on accurate.

This fence is great for replacing those crappy (or missing) fences on old saw.

 

[bubinga]

I don't think I've posted it here before... but I did make another one previously for another Craftsman saw. It's also not an original design. I found it here:
https://ibuildit.ca/plans/wooden-table-saw-fence/

There are a lot of homemade fences on the web, but this one tics all the boxes:

• Looks good
• Easy to build (all 1/2" ply with no complicated cuts.)
• Detailed plans. (best $12 I ever spent)
• Easy to tune to your saw (most homemade ones don't appear to be very adjustable, so you better get it perfectly square all around.
• Balls on accurate.

This fence is great for replacing those crappy (or missing) fences on old saw.

Thank You!!

 

[RHJO51]

I picked up a 10" 113.27520 table saw I'm going to redo and have come across a couple 8" saws for sale. One on the cast iron stand with the jointer tabble accessory, and one with the wooden roller outfeed. Does anyone know if either of these accessories for the 10" saw? I saw that the outfeed rollers have a pin on them that I assume fits into the cast table top, no such holes on the 10". Are these outfeed rollers any good and has anyone used them on the 10" saw? I don't want to buy them if they really wont fit. Thanks

 

[Outlawmws]

Pics? They made the 113 saw for a lot of years and wile the table was basically unchanged, the base for the table changed over time.

 

[CKS1955]

...Are these outfeed rollers any good and has anyone used them on the 10" saw? I don't want to buy them if they really wont fit. Thanks

These were made for the Craftsman 8” table saw with the single knob in the front that adjusted both height and angle, the table width was 17”.

Jay

 

[RHJO51]

Thanks for letting me know the out feed rollers won't fit my 10" saw. I waited too long and missed the sale but now I don't feel too bad! I'm curious though, why craftsman didn't make the out feed rollers or the jointer attachment for the 10" saws, only the smaller 8" saws. Thanks

 

[Steve Baur]

I just picked up a new-to-me Craftsman saw, and hopefully some of the more knowledgeable folks on here can give me a bit more information on it. I paid $45 for it and while i didn't cut anything with it yet, it ran really well. The number on it is 113.22411. It didn't have a stand with it, but i did get the wings, extensions, and some sort of blade guard or anti-kickback thingamabob.

I've been looking at used saws for some time as i have a 10-15 yr-old Craftsman table saw that i've been using, but the fence *****, the aluminum deck is not in great shape, the miter slots are garbage, and the extendable wings are weak to say the least. Can't complain too much though as it was free and it generally works, but as i've tried to get more precise with my woodworking, these issues have come up.

Can't post pics yet since this is my first post here.

 

[Steve Baur]

My top had quite a bit of rust and pitting and i used an 80-grit DA sander to knock it down flat—I started with 220, then 180, and finally got somewhere with the 80-grit paper. I then went over it with 180 and some WD40, but it still has a lot of discoloration. Does anyone know if you can get the discoloration out of the top

 

[CKS1955]

..but it still has a lot of discoloration. Does anyone know if you can get the discoloration out of the top

I used Bar Keepers Friend (oxalic acid).

Jay

 

[Outlawmws]

I used mothers aluminum polish on a stained carbon steel knife to get stains out and it worked great. I've done the same several times since then.

 

[Steve Baur]

Those both sounds promising and i have both here at the house. Thanks for the tips.

 

[RiseAbove]

Does anyone have this model/style? Are they one of the earliest? Going to pick one up tomorrow and it looks to be in nice shape and complete.

 

[MayerMR]

Does anyone have this model/style? Are they one of the earliest? Going to pick one up tomorrow and it looks to be in nice shape and complete.

I've never even seen one before, in person or in pics. I would very much suggest you grab it and would love to see some actual photos.

 

[Cruzan80]

Someone here has one he restored. It is a builders saw (think reverse RAS) with built in handles to bring to jobsites.

Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using The Garage Journal mobile app

 

[Outlawmws]

Ir's in the 1950 catalog, so not the earliest TS by a long shot. (I have one from 1935, and it is not the earliest...)

 

[Michigan Mike]

Hi all. looking for some information and soliciting opinions. I have a craftsman 113-29990 that is my user saw. I have had it for probably 20 years. The motor died on it and I found a parts saw craftsman 113-27520. It had a good one horse motor and the cast iron extention tables. The tables swapped over and the motor was a good improvement to the worn out 3/4 that I had before. Now my problem is after I swapped parts looking at the parts saw the casting that holds the saw blade is much beefier than on my user saw. The casting wraps all around the blade and the blade height adjustment is different mechanicly and I think a much better design. Did Sears make an industrial version and a homeowner version? I am thinking of renovating the parts saw. I would have to pull some parts from my user saw as the parts saw is missing the tilt hand wheel and the height adjustment wheel is missing the little handle. This project won't happen right away as I have to many other irons in the fire right now but would definately happen in the future. Unless the collective wisdom of the Garage Journal convinces me I'm crazey. Any information on the differences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[Outlawmws]

Without pics it would be had to say (113 is King-Seeley, if anyone has the other model No's memorized, it ain't me...)

What you are probably seeing is gradual design changes over the years, (I'm assuming these are both 10" saws?)

 

[Michigan Mike]

They are both 10 inch 113's . Pictures are a problem I am some what challenged with picture posting. Also with both saws still upright it is hard to get a picture of the casting. The casting on the parts saw is the same as the picture that Taperd pin has in post 209. He has a picture of the table upside down. I don't belive it is a gradual design change as the adjustment on my user saw is back by the operating end of the saw and moves a gear for height adjustment. The parts saw height is adjusted closer to the motor and useses the adjusting screw to move a cast lever to raise the blade. As mentioned before the casting on the parts saw is much more robust and wraps all around the blade. The casting on the user saw leaves the blade completely exposed on the right side. Thanks for your input Outlawms I apologise for my lack of pictures.

 

[Outlawmws]

Posting pics 101:

Start from the "Go Advanced" posting menus, or the "Post Reply" button near the bottom of any page, (Or hit the "paperclip" button to get to the upload popup); and at step 5 copy it into the URL field after hitting the "postcard" button: (Step 4/5 is optional; you will still have thumbnails)

 

[Michigan Mike]

Thanks for the tutorial Outlaw. It is not just lack of understanding it is also lack of a camera. Though I know my phone will take pictures. At some point in time I will get my son the computer wizard to teach me how this all works. I understand that it is difficult to give advise without clear information. Thanks again and I will try to do more to live up to the Heinlein quote in your signature.

 

[CKS1955]

Yes the arbor housing around the saw blade loss mass over the years. The earlier ones completely enclosed the blade. The later ones the housing was essentially cut in half.

Jay

 

[lafester]

Curious if anyone has one of these sliding extensions?
Pic from CL:

Ad says it is a 7" saw? I just got one with some Craftsman 100 parts and have not seen one before. Just curious if they were sold separately or came with specific models. Can't seem to find anything on them.

 

[rickhigginshtbr]

Havent seen that. I recently grabbed a 7" Dunlap with extensions that I'm going to use on my bandsaw. I thought it was odd on that one that the extensions don't bolt to the table top, they bolt to the fence rails.

 

[CKS1955]

Curious if anyone has one of these sliding extensions?

Ad says it is a 7" saw? I just got one with some Craftsman 100 parts and have not seen one before. Just curious if they were sold separately or came with specific models. Can't seem to find anything on them.

I don’t have one, but the adjustable side table extension were introduced in the 1959/60 catalog as an option.

I think the CL poster made a mistake with the blade size, Craftsman only made 8”, 9” or 10” table saws. The table saw in the ad appears to be either an 8” or 10” model from the late 1940’s or early 1950’s based on how close the miter gauge channel is to the blade.

However some of the older tilting top table saws were 7”, they last appeared in the 1950 catalog.

Jay