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Do you use them? If so, how do you like them?
Dad, I do use them. The sockets in the tray at the rear are my go to 1/2" drive sockets. I think they're great. They've lasted this long so I don't figure I'm gonna break any of them. And, as you can see, I have plenty of back ups.
 
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Thanks, Mike.
I took this picture of some combo wrenches and tried to put them in order from old to new. Does it look correct to you guys? Top to bottom is Lectrolite, S-K Lectrolite, S-K Wayne, S-K and S-K Tools.
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I've be searching the web and asking around without much luck so I thought I'd ask here.

Last night I was moving some tools from the S-K 1502 mechanics chest I have and I realized that I had started to pick up S-K tools from the 1943 catalog (I like WWII era tools) to fill the S-K box at one point. I’ve got the three stubby wrenches and three (33020, 33026, 33030) of the six longer ones. I’ve got a 1/4” socket set and some 1/2” stuff. The 1/2” items I can find locally over time but I realize that I’ve never seen anything in 3/8” drive from that time period. Has anyone seen photos of or have any 3/8" sets from the 1941-1945 timeframe? I can't imagine that the ratchets and sockets would be chromed but I've never seen any plain steel S-K 3/8" drive tools either.

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Bill
 

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Bill,
They were certainly offered in the 1943 S-K catalog. Perhaps the fact that 1/2" and 1/4" drive tools were specified in so many wartime sets makes the 3/8" drive sets rare. Here is a screenshot of the '43 3/8" drive tool page.
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Thanks, Mike.
I took this picture of some combo wrenches and tried to put them in order from old to new. Does it look correct to you guys? Top to bottom is Lectrolite, S-K Lectrolite, S-K Wayne, S-K and S-K Tools.
-Don

Don, I believe the S-K would come before the S-K Wayne. S-K Tools was formed in the late 1960's when Symington-Wayne was purchased by Dresser Industries.
 

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Good news is I found a tray for my sk toolchest. Bad news is I had to buy the whole box to get it!
 

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Thanks, Mike.
I took this picture of some combo wrenches and tried to put them in order from old to new. Does it look correct to you guys? Top to bottom is Lectrolite, S-K Lectrolite, S-K Wayne, S-K and S-K Tools.
-Don
As you guys know, I'm into the Lecrolite stuff, and that connects me with the S-K end wrenches that were made exclusively by the Lectrolite factory starting in 1953. One tell for dating is the font style of the numbers. You'll notice the wide C and the wide 2 in the top three wrenches. ALL Lectrolite-made S-K end wrenches had these wide characters into the Wayne era--of this I'm as close to 100% certain as one can be.

Sometime during the Wayne era, these were changed to narrow characters as you can see in the bottom two wrenches, and this narrow style persisted until the close of the defiance factory and the end of the raised panel wrenches. This places the fourth wrench that's just marked S-K after this font change.

Next, I've seen strong evidence in complete original wrench sets made during the transition to Dresser having pieces mix-marked between "Wayne" and "Tools" that "Tools" immediately followed "Wayne" markings. It then seems to get a little hazy as to what was marked how and when, but based on what I've studied, I believe the plain "S-K" came after the "S-K Tools" marking.

So, to answer your question, Don, I'd place the "S-K" at the bottom below the "S-K Tools" wrench. The others are in correct order, with the top Lectrolite from 1947-53, and the S-K Lectrolite starting in 1953.
 
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Sorry just being a little sarcastic. It's obviously all good news. I came across this nice box while looking for the tray and and got a smoking deal on it!
 

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Stopped at a garage sale and found this SK box with a rather unique liner. Thought all here might enjoy:bounce:
 

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As you guys know, I'm into the Lecrolite stuff, and that connects me with the S-K end wrenches that were made exclusively by the Lectrolite factory starting in 1953. One tell for dating is the font style of the numbers. You'll notice the wide C and the wide 2 in the top three wrenches. ALL Lectrolite-made S-K end wrenches had these wide characters into the Wayne era--of this I'm as close to 100% certain as one can be.

Sometime during the Wayne era, these were changed to narrow characters as you can see in the bottom two wrenches, and this narrow style persisted until the close of the defiance factory and the end of the raised panel wrenches. This places the fourth wrench that's just marked S-K after this font change.

Next, I've seen strong evidence in complete original wrench sets made during the transition to Dresser having pieces mix-marked between "Wayne" and "Tools" that "Tools" immediately followed "Wayne" markings. It then seems to get a little hazy as to what was marked how and when, but based on what I've studied, I believe the plain "S-K" came after the "S-K Tools" marking.

So, to answer your question, Don, I'd place the "S-K" at the bottom below the "S-K Tools" wrench. The others are in correct order, with the top Lectrolite from 1947-53, and the S-K Lectrolite starting in 1953.

I agree with everything but the '53 date. We only know they "partnered up" during that period. S-K could well have been using Lectrolite as a supplier for their wrenches well before that. I would submit they did, given the style similarities. I probably wouldn't go any earlier than 45ish, but I do think they used them before '53.

BTW, I've NO evidence to support this assertion...............yet.
 

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I agree with everything but the '53 date. We only know they "partnered up" during that period. S-K could well have been using Lectrolite as a supplier for their wrenches well before that. I would submit they did, given the style similarities. I probably wouldn't go any earlier than 45ish, but I do think they used them before '53.

BTW, I've NO evidence to support this assertion...............yet.

You may be right. Here's what I've been able to come up with based on what I've seen in person and online, and then devoting uncommon attention to the subject (since from what I can tell, beyond anything associated with S-K, no one gave a rat's *** about Lectrolite). To the best of my current understanding....

All the many contract wrenches made by LC (and there are very many examples) seem to be re-labeled styles already being made. I've found no evidence yet that LC made custom style wrenches for anyone, whether pre- or post-war. So, no matter what the name or no-name, LC's distinct geometry is a tell.

Sometime after the war--I believe it was around 1947, LC not only made revisions to its end wrench designs, but also finally consolidated its helter-shelter labeling and styles into two distinct designs: the raised panel to be sold under the Lectrolite name, and the recessed panel to be sold under Tru-fit. LC produced these new designs under its own brand until the S-K/LC collaboration circa 1953. AA seems to be in agreement, dating these new style wrenches with LC-only marks "Late 1940s to early 1950s."

NOTE: I believe the undated catalog you have on the TA site is from the very beginning of this transitional period, perhaps 1946-47. We see that the artist-rendered or re-touched artwork is primarily of the older styles, where the actual photographs like of the retail tool boards show later, revised styles. It was not uncommon for companies to use existing artwork in later catalogs even if the style had been changed. Quite understandable, when you consider what it took to put a catalog together prior to the Photoshop era.

Of all the S-K end wrenches I've seen that were dated before the LC/S-K collaboration (including the AA examples), none precisely match the geometry of the equivalent LC wrenches. One might argue that it's possible LC may have altered them slightly for S-K, but that would not be in keeping with what we know about LC's m.o. The S-K/LC collaborative wrenches, which are all identical to the existing LC design, is further evidence LC was not modding anything for anyone, just re-labeling it's standard designs. So, as of yet, we have no proof that that LC was the maker of S-K end wrenches prior to the collaboration.

I buy AA's assertion that the S-K/LC collaboration began in 1953. I have a set of LC-only branded (pre-S-K) combination wrenches that are identical to the later dual marked S-K/LC that, both by provenance and the context of the find, are circa 1951.

In order to prove the supposition that LC made contract end wrenches for S-K prior to the collaboration, I think we'd need to find an example of a wrench that was labeled "S-K" only but having both the matching geometry and model number of a contemporary LC-marked equivalent. I've yet to see one. Additionally, if its geometry is identical to the dual-marked collaboration tools, it must also have the wide font characters I mentioned earlier, which were discontinued in favor of the narrow font sometime during Wayne.

Perhaps in this vintage S-K thread, someone out there in GJ land may have something to show us.
 

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I forgot I had posted this almost 5 years ago!
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217175

The original cardboard with that set has a 1974 date stamped on it. To me, it makes such a ho-hum set a little more interesting.

I still have all the pieces. I used this in my machinist box along with a SK deep 3/8 6 pt SAE set in a matching green hammertone box for quite some time. The 1/4 sockets sadly do not have detents, and the 45170 ratchet has a bow to it, along with some strange chrome chips, despite never having a socket on it when I got it (only a couple of the deep sockets in the set had shown evidence of use, but apparently with another ratchet).
 

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And here is the deep set. 3/8 thru 13/16, which also contained the 3/8, 7/16, and 1/2 in 6pt shallow and a Craftsman 3/8 to 1/4 hex bit socket (not shown). Love the hammertone!
 

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I agree davethorik on the card board insert. It seems those are the things that get tossed quite often right out of the gate. By the way those are a couple of nice sets that you have there.
 

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I picked up this midget socket set at the flea market today. As I was inspecting the sockets, all marked CHROME ALLOY, the vendor (house buy-outs guy) told me he sold the ratchet 15 minutes before I walked up. Dammit! Don (d42jeep) reminded me that these were in the Brazil brand sets. So I guess I'll search the thread for what the rat looked like and be on the lookout for one of those and other handles now.

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3/8"-12 pt
11/32"-12 pt
9/32"-6 pt
1/4"-6 pt
3/8"-8 pt
5/16"-8 pt
1/4"-8 pt

Anyone have any thoughts on the number ("8387") stenciled on the side? Kit/model number? Or owner's mark?
 

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I picked up this midget socket set at the flea market today. As I was inspecting the sockets, all marked CHROME ALLOY, the vendor (house buy-outs guy) told me he sold the ratchet 15 minutes before I walked up. Dammit! Don (d42jeep) reminded me that these were in the Brazil brand sets. So I guess I'll search the thread for what the rat looked like and be on the lookout for one of those and other handles now.

Anyone have any thoughts on the number ("8387") stenciled on the side? Kit/model number? Or owner's mark?
Very nice! I have a Brazil set. If you don't find one let me know and I'll take a pic when I get back to town.

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I have a very similar set, mine also has a couple of SK sockets from the same era, I'm not sure that those are original to the set though. I picked it up some time in the last two road road trips to Colorado in some dead town in the middle of nowhere. When I first picked it up, it still had the entire Brazil Tools decal under the lid, but the trip home upside down didn't do it any good, now there is just one tiny speck left. Give me a few minutes and I will put up a picture or two...

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Dang! Nice set, bbrins! Thanks for posting. Nice to know my box is original.

So, I've got some work to do! A cool beavertail ratchet (no wonder someone sniped it without taking the case and sockets!), two extensions, a hinge handle and a tommy bar.

Are the extensions and hinge handle unmarked?

That's a stroke of luck if so. I do happen to have a couple orphan unmarked SK hinge handles laying around. (Glad I picked them up!) :)

EDIT: Now that I looked closer, my box is definitely slimmer than yours front to back. Maybe my set only came with a hinge handle or perhaps also an extension or two. I don't think a ratchet, hinge handle, and two extensions would fit in mine. But it seems to have the same clasp, so I am thinking it's a smaller set.
 

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You're right, that case does look slimmer. I have seen SK sets like that that just had the sockets, breaker bar, t-handle, and an extension or two with no ratchet. My breaker bar, t-handle, and extensions are unmarked.

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I have a SK diamond 42470 that's either from the 50s or early 60s but I don't have any pictures on my phone. It still have a great feel and strong click. I also have a SK Wayne 45170 that just might be my favorite ratchet. It's all original as well. When I got it, it was green from oxidation (I think). I cleaned it up and it's smooth as butter. It was the ratchet that made me buy more SK tools and I don't pass up an opportunity to buy them.

In the picture, that's my 3870 with the DT80 upgrade. I highly recommend it. I didn't add it to the 45170 because I like the looks of it too much.
 

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Dang! Nice set, bbrins! Thanks for posting. Nice to know my box is original.

So, I've got some work to do! A cool beavertail ratchet (no wonder someone sniped it without taking the case and sockets!), two extensions, a hinge handle and a tommy bar.

Are the extensions and hinge handle unmarked?

That's a stroke of luck if so. I do happen to have a couple orphan unmarked SK hinge handles laying around. (Glad I picked them up!) :)

EDIT: Now that I looked closer, my box is definitely slimmer than yours front to back. Maybe my set only came with a hinge handle or perhaps also an extension or two. I don't think a ratchet, hinge handle, and two extensions would fit in mine. But it seems to have the same clasp, so I am thinking it's a smaller set.

You can just send me the set and I’ll take care of the ratchet!:evil:
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Ok I have some sk, odd shaped box
 

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SK goodness from this weekend's flea.
I don't think all of it qualifies as 'vintage', but it's all SK. :beer:

SK Wayne flex bar and 1-1/4" combo
3x SK metric combos
screwdriver
universal joint, metric and SAE socket

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Here's the Kraeuter 32071 ratchet I picked up. Not sure how old it is (or if it qualifies for vintage), but it's in pretty nice shape.

I had never seen a flat handle Kraeuter before, always seen them with the I-beam handles.
 

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