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LUG: i usually give credit where credit is due, but I can't find the post where you mention a few of the companies SK made tools for like Craftsman. it was a short LIST of only about 4 companies with Sears/craftsman being one of them.

no worries and now that we have that figured out i'll have to start digging up my SK stuff.

82: I might own 6 of the little green boxes that SK sold socket sets in and I have a SK machinist box and a couple small tool boxes, but I can't recall any bottom rollers. that said I haven't been on the vintage toolbox thread which another thread you might ask your question on. i'll post the SK machinist box that I think is full of drill bits when i find it.

ALL: hope you all enjoy the day and send a few good thoughts to those in Japan who got hit by that terrible Typhoon. we are going to just get some of it's rain, but it looks like it hit a nice part of Japan.
 
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LUG: i usually give credit where credit is due, but I can't find the post where you mention a few of the companies SK made tools for like Craftsman. it was a short LIST of only about 4 companies with Sears/craftsman being one of them.
You can't find it because I never made such a post. I think you may have been thinking of the NB thread and my NB list, which did indeed include Sears/Craftsman. If you're anything like me, these little things will drive me crazy for days if not weeks. Hence, my wanting to set the record straight. But I will definitely not mention it again, less everyone else get their knives and pitchforks out! :)

Good luck with your SK thread. Once it takes final shape and purpose, I may have a few things to add.
 

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Were there ever SK roller toolboxes? Or large top boxes?

I've only ever seen small 2 drawer intermediate style boxes of theirs...

There were. I have only found this one, at least as far as prewar stuff.
 

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Lugz I think the confusion is you listed new britain as a craftsman supplier, and we were talking about tools supplied to sears on this thread as well.
 

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Thanks don. I had to cough up 300$ for it, but I figured it was the only one I would ever find. The guy knew it was a rare item.
 

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You will probably never see another. Does the upper box have the wartime decal too? I would definitely grab one of those. My machinists boxes are both postwar. Here are my wartime complete and partial sets.
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Hi all. This is my first post here on GJ. Have been a lurker for a long time. Like most here, I have a varied inventory of tools. I try to stick with quality American brands. I especially like S&K, and have a good collection of 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 drive sets and miscellaneous other items.
This past week I was at a swapmeet where a man was selling a large collection of S&K for an elderly man. I picked of several great items including a 1/2 drive set in a larger S&K tool box. Another item, a complete Lectrolite/S&K combination wrench set in it's original fabric sheath. Also,about a dozen small S&K boxes for various socket sets. Is there any interest in any of these boxes?
One other item that really piqued my interest was a pair of Vise Grip style pliers stamped with the S&K markings. It looks identical to regular Vise Grip brand pliers. Did S&K contract Vise Grip to make items for them?
I will post pictures of my haul later.
 

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Yes I have seen some of those later boxes. Does not seem like they made them much of a priority.
 

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A side note about Buick spark plug sockets. Snap-On also made them. They are essentially 7/8" deep sockets with the end narrowed down. A regular deep socket works just as well. So, what was the point? *(later they did add an insert, but not originally.)

I own a Lectrolite Ford V-8 valve spring compressor. I have seen the wheel knockers. I also own Lectrolite tappet wrenches. That is about the extent of what became S-K's specialty wrenches, so far as I know.

Herbrand and Bonney both made their own tools. Herbrand especially pointed out that they did not make but one quality level of tool, unstated reference to other companies, such as Duro, who had varying quality even within its own brand.

Miller and Kent-Moore, as well as K-D, Lisle, and some others, are specialty tool makers who are still viable today. They only make specialty tools. Bonney, Utica, and Herbrand were victims of capitalism, not inferior tools, although the tools made towards the end were certainly cheaper made. S-K itself suffered under the Wayne era, producing tools that were barely useable. I have perhaps broken more S-K over the last 45 years than any other brand; maybe Walden.

S-K never made a Huck brake wrench, a transmission seal installer, a differential adjuster, a flywheel turner, a sending unit socket, a torque multiplier, an axle puller, a slide hammer; the list goes on. And I should clarify, vintage S-K, when Bonney, Herbrand, Proto, Snap-On, etc., were producing tools for the industry, not just for jobbers.
Didn't mean to strike a cord if I did. SK in my region is considered a very well built tool brand. Who ever selling SK in the pre Wayne era did well. Almost every farm sale I go to here has a 1/2" drive SK socket set with knurled bases. The case look like it road in the back of a pickup and left in the elements for the last 60 years. I rarely find cracked or replaced sockets in these sets. All in all I would say my experience with SK is much different than yours. I would no consider them inferior by any means.
Just as Lugz said SK had a different business concept where they sold the most common tools and alot of them up here.

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Lugz I think the confusion is you listed new britain as a craftsman supplier, and we were talking about tools supplied to sears on this thread as well.
Yup. Drives realized it in a post on the NB thread. Didn't mean to make it a 'thing' - just glad we resolved it.

That said, the Congressional investigation into steel in 1941, which catapulted an unknown senator from Missouri to national prominence and the eventual presidency, Harry Truman,
This is a very misleading statement. The Senate Special Committee to Investigate the National Defense Program, formed in 1941 to find and correct problems in US war production with waste, inefficiency, and corruption, looked at everything, from furniture to apparel to food, not just steel, exclusively, as you have implied, and not even primarily steel. Its biggest successes were in simple accounting issues.

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exposed in testimony the fact that steel production, in the race to fulfill government contracts, was substandard, with one testimony that they could and did fool the government inspectors in front of them.
This statement is even more misleading. You are cherry picking flagrant cases and bad batches and presenting them as the norm. They were not.

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WW2 steel was in general less robust, certain formulae being prohibited and tools considered expendable, not meant to last or be the strongest or best.
This is grossly incorrect. In fact, the direct opposite is true. "New Emergency" triple alloy steels, invented in 1941 by a consortium (AISI, academia, and industry) formed and overseen by the WPB, changed the steel industry for the better forever. Certain grades in the 8000 triple alloy series became available only to particular parts on specific aircraft and weapons with special priorities, but for the most part, aircraft, tanks, gun mounts, trucks, and other equipment, subjected to the harshest conditions imaginable, were made of the same triple alloys as tools. What the government and industry discovered in 1941 and 1942 was that the use of three alloying compounds (nickel, chromium, and molybdenum) in lesser amounts rather than one or two rare alloy compounds in richer amounts, as had been done prior to WWII, was not only much more economical, but lighter, and equally as hard, strong, and dependable as more expensive one- and two-alloy formulas in high-stress and severe service environments. And that's why triple alloy 8xxx and 9xxx series are still the core of so many industries today.

The second most ridiculous thing about your new argument (inferior wartime steel) is the overwhelming tonnage of WW2 tools that have been collected, much of which is shown right here on this forum. See any mfgr thread, DOE thread, DBE thread, etc. They were surplused and "appropriated" and saved and made their way back into circulation and professional garages and shade tree garages and used by tens of thousands of men and passed on to sons (I am one of many) and others and are still in use today, more than 70 plus years later. If the actual documented history I have summarized for you above goes as unacknowledged as my wartime history timeline did on the Bonney thread (hopefully I won't have to bury you with direct quotes here...), the empirical evidence of this forum is unavoidable.

But, hypothetically speaking, the most ridiculous thing about this new argument, even if were true (again, it is not), apparently implies that this inferior steel was somehow only making its way to SK's forges. All mfgrs were using the same steel. There was no selection or preference or prerogative.
 

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LUG: thank you for the information about SK and maybe old wartime tools and steel in general. :bowdown:

I also want to thank OTG for pointing out that our posts about who did SK TOOLS make tools for was also a similar question over on the New Britian thread about who they made tools for and what was bothering me, (or us) as you say it does you, is I knew you posted it. since both companies made tools for SEARS/CRAFTSMAN and I don't go back and forth as often on these threads as some of you do it was my mistake. AND if the SK tools thread about who they made tools for with it's index works well, maybe I or somebody else can make a similar thread for New Britian or Plvmb or other tool companies that sold their quality tools and stamped other company names on them.

ALL: now back to SK TOOLS and i'll start the list of who they made tools for on the other thread on it's first post and any of you are welcome to add to the information already posted and of course add any catalog pages or tools (or toolbox) pictures as you have time to.

here's the link: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433244
 

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ALL: did SK have Kennedy make their toolboxes cause their brown wrinkle paint looks very similar?

also on the metal cabinet thread here on GJ anther member posted a film box made by SK that had a nice SK logo and the brown wrinkle paint.

over on the WHO DID SK MAKE TOOLS FOR THREAD we are having some talk about where CHROME ALLOY should be placed in the index if any of you might have any thoughts please post them over there.

thanks in advance
 

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A couple of SK items that followed me home this weekend. The SK Chrome socket doesn't have any chrome left on it. A pair of 1/2" drive ratchets, screwdriver, DBE and a combo.

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Depends on what the tool is. Pretty much the same across the board.

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Some people like the Wayne stuff. Personally I prefer pre wayne, but they are certainly good usable tools. I have heard sk does not like to warranty the Wayne stuff.
 

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Some 3/8 drive chrome alloy stuff arrived. Thanks Don!
 

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My pleasure. Thanks for the sockets. This set is slowly getting closer to completion.
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Looking good guys. I are plenty of 1/2" drive stuff but 3/8" and 1/4" are rare.

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I found this wartime looking 3/8” x 7/16” offset shorty DBE wrench at a Martinez, CA garage sale this morning. The wartime looking S-K wrenches aren’t all that common.
-Don
 

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I found this wartime looking 3/8” x 7/16” offset shorty DBE wrench at a Martinez, CA garage sale this morning. The wartime looking S-K wrenches aren’t all that common.
-Don
Nice find Don. I have a few Long pattern DBEs that are raw steel. I am unsure if I have any short patterns.

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The wartime looking S-K wrenches aren’t all that common.
Hen's teeth, in my experience. I have found exactly one in the wild in several years - and that's a weirdo with an asterisk that, along with the general construction and design of the wrench, looks awfully Vlchek-ish. The only distinction, and it's pretty picayune of me to even notice it, is the orientation of the asterisk on the shank (See Pic 3). See what I mean? The Vlchek asterisks always have one ray pointing due north. The S-K asterisk is turned one rotation to the right.
 

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Wow, I would never have noticed that. The asterisks aren’t exclusive to Vlchek though although I used to think so. I’ve found quite a few Barcalo wrenches with them.
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Wow, I would never have noticed that. The asterisks aren’t exclusive to Vlchek though although I used to think so. I’ve found quite a few Barcalo wrenches with them.
I didn't realize that. What's interesting about that is that the S-K DBE could pass for Barcalo, as well. Maybe there was a single forge, Star Tool & Forge, making raised panel wrenches for everyone. :)

I'd love to figure out what the h&*(() that asterisk indicates........
We'll all be in our 90's - except Don, who will be in his 100's - and still talking about it at the big reunion.
 

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I would welcome any comments as to a fair price for this S-K toolbox in generally Very Good Used Condition. I'm looking to buy it along with a couple of others that are closer to worthless. I'll assume it is about as common as they come for S-K collectors, but it is a good size to ram home all the accumulated SK miscellany that has followed me to my garage door.......
 

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I would welcome any comments as to a fair price for this S-K toolbox in generally Very Good Used Condition. I'm looking to buy it along with a couple of others that are closer to worthless. I'll assume it is about as common as they come for S-K collectors, but it is a good size to ram home all the accumulated SK miscellany that has followed me to my garage door.......
SK is pretty common up here. That box us harder to find but I would say $20-$30 would be fair if it had the tray yet.

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Thanks R Olson. I appreciate it. I was right in that general price lane, with a couple of crappier condition boxes thrown in the deal. IMHO I think the overall condition is very good, but the badge has a few good gouges in it as the primary defect
 

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Thanks R Olson. I appreciate it. I was right in that general price lane, with a couple of crappier condition boxes thrown in the deal. IMHO I think the overall condition is very good, but the badge has a few good gouges in it as the primary defect
Solid looking box. I have one that has been spray bombed.

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I think the prices I’ve paid have been between $5.00 and $35.00. I’m missing one tray. The second picture is my wartime version.
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I found this wartime looking 3/8” x 7/16” offset shorty DBE wrench at a Martinez, CA garage sale this morning. The wartime looking S-K wrenches aren’t all that common.
-Don

Here are all of the possible wartime S-K DBE wrenches I have found.
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