akasrick
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Anythings possible, there was Jersey, Victor Jersey, then Stanley. Maybe he'll find a marking.
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Vise Info Thread
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PghJKB
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Could also be a Leavens, Stanley Jersey, or a couple of others (Pexto, BMCo - these may not have horns).
The spots where markings are are not in the images.
JKB
The spots where markings are are not in the images.
JKB
CRSINMICH
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PghJKB: Thanks! I didn't realize that PEXTO had made vises until you mentioned them. There was only one type of vise in their 1920 catalog which they called a Universal Vise. By 1927 there was another type which looked very much like the Victor/Jersey/Stanley (and it did have a horn).
KMScott: The Vise Spreadsheet only has two of these listed.
KMScott: The Vise Spreadsheet only has two of these listed.
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CRSINMICH
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By an amazing stroke of serendipity I found this information about Jersey vises in a 1914 Hammacher Schlemmer catalog today while looking for something else. It's not Victor or Victor Jersey Stanley, just straightforward Jersey.
KMScott: I didn't see any entries for Jersey vises in the spreadsheet and the model numbers are different than the Jersey (Stanley) entries but they do match the 1917 Victor Jersey vise numbers posted yesterday.
KMScott: I didn't see any entries for Jersey vises in the spreadsheet and the model numbers are different than the Jersey (Stanley) entries but they do match the 1917 Victor Jersey vise numbers posted yesterday.
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PghJKB
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Jersey Vises were manufactured by The Leavens Manufacturing Company of Vineland New Jersey.
Here is an announcement of their products from the 26 Mar 1908 issue of The Iron Age :
Iron Age
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A little more info from my notes:
Clamp-On
Model No. Jaw Width Jaw Type Weight
40 1 1/2 Iron 3 lbs.
41 1 1/2 Steel 3 lbs.
42 1 3/4 Iron 3 1/4 lbs.
43 1 3/4 Steel 3 1/4 lbs.
44 2 Iron 3 1/2 lbs.
45 2 Steel 3 1/2 lbs.
46 2 1/4 Iron 4 lbs.
47 2 1/4 Steel 4 lbs.
48 2 1/2 Iron 5 lbs.
49 2 1/2 Steel 5 lbs.
52 3 Iron 8 3/4 lbs.
53 3 Steel 8 3/4 lbs.
Center Swivel Base
56 1 3/4 Steel 3 lbs.
57 2 Steel 3 1/2 lbs.
58 2 1/4 Steel 4 1/2 lbs.
59 2 1/2 Steel 5 1/2 lbs.
61 3 Steel 9 1/2 lbs.
Note that this listing shows two "levels" of clamp-on vises, cast iron jaws and cast-in steel jaws. All listed swivel base jaws are equipped with cast-in steel jaws. The two levels of vise (cast iron and cast-in steel) jaws was continued after being purchased by Stanley.
Although not listed here, Leavens offered a Stationary Base vise. These vises came equipped with steel jaws.
Leavens
Clamp On - Iron and Steel Jaws
Center Swivel Base - Steel Jaws Only
Stationary - Steel Jaws Only
Stanley Vise History
During 1911, Stanley Tool & Rule Company purchased the Leavens Manufacturing Company of Vineland, New Jersey. Leavens primary product was a line of small bench vises known as "Jersey" Vises. After the purchase, Stanley capitalized on Leavens' reputation to offer the Stanley branded line of small bench vises.
Early catalogs show Stanley using the Leavens "Jersey" (Baker Jersey?) vises as their base models, naming them the "Victor Jersey" line of vises. According to the Stanley Tools Catalog of 1914 (#34) "Stanley "Victor" Vises, while not having the quite as fine a finish as the Stanley line, are strong, serviceable tools, and having long been popular with both Mechanics and Amateurs." A reference to their Leavens' origin.
Additionally, Stanley maintained Leavens line of premium vises, naming them the "Stanley Jersey" vise. According to the Stanley Tools Catalog of 1914 (#34) "Stanley "Jersey" Vises are made especially for Jewelers and makers of small tools. ... Only the best materials are employed in their construction, great care being taken to that all the parts fit accurately."
Hope this helps
JKB
CRSINMICH
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PghJKB: It certainly helped me. I had that Stanley timeline information once but it got lost in a computer crash. Thanks. And thanks for the link.
akasrick
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I guess if you guys, if you don't already have, can add this to your files. 1910 pics and blurb from the Jersy manufacturer
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Simplex Gray 41 P
According to the info on the website where I found this, an older version of the Desmond Simplex 41 P in the spreadsheet.
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According to the info on the website where I found this, an older version of the Desmond Simplex 41 P in the spreadsheet.
One of my vices is vises, Simplex Gray
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Hollands Duplex AS-3. Steel plate slide, swivel base. Thanks to CRSINMICH for posting the catalog page below.
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One of my vices is vises; Hollands vise
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CRSINMICH
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akasrick: Thanks! I didn't have that Jersey information. It always helps to have more data, e.g. I noticed that Leavens specified that Jersey vises were finished with "brown baking japan". That little note may help in identification sometime. Thanks again.
Added note: craftsman's post #2956 that started this exploration of Jersey/Victor/Stanley vises shows what could be "brown japaning" left on his vise.
Added note: craftsman's post #2956 that started this exploration of Jersey/Victor/Stanley vises shows what could be "brown japaning" left on his vise.
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Thanks, thought I'd seen something like it but couldn't find it.
@KMScott, those two vises are in the spreadsheet but no pics. Also, they are listed as "Keystone" vises which is incorrect (and is the main reason I was uncertain of the identity). And the catalog page has data which the spreadsheet lacks. Thanks!
KMScott
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Thanks skm for the reminder, going as fast as I can. Added about 20 vises this morning and haven’t seen CRS’s posts til now. Maybe tonight I’ll up date the Hollands.
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Outlawmws
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That's not a common slide design. but it does keep the slide from becoming an anvil...
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CRSINMICH
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Even more minute Jersey/Victor/Stanley vise information. PghJKB mentioned Baker in his timeline of STANLEY. Here is some information about Joseph G. Baker. He had a vise patent (2 pages of drawings) as early as 1891 and another vise patent in 1916. In 1915 he had another patent that was only partially about vises. In a 1922 edition of an Engineering Directory Baker's Jersey - Leavens Mfg. Co. was listed under Vice, Bench.
EDIT: I forgot his 1908 vise patent.
EDIT: I forgot his 1908 vise patent.
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I recently picked up a Hollands No 50 (Was hoping it was a 60 but no luck).
it was missing the swivel lockdown and looking into it it doesn't appear to be a normal threaded bolt/nut lockdown. Instead it is much like some of the Prentiss vises with the spring loaded plunger that locks into a bore in the swivel.
Looking online I'm not seeing much info on Hollands using this type of arrangement, though I have found another Hollands with this feature.
Does anyone know if there was a period where Hollands did this? Every other Hollands Swivel (No. 40, 50, 60, etc) doesn't seem to have this but instead the threaded lockdown.
it was missing the swivel lockdown and looking into it it doesn't appear to be a normal threaded bolt/nut lockdown. Instead it is much like some of the Prentiss vises with the spring loaded plunger that locks into a bore in the swivel.
Looking online I'm not seeing much info on Hollands using this type of arrangement, though I have found another Hollands with this feature.
Does anyone know if there was a period where Hollands did this? Every other Hollands Swivel (No. 40, 50, 60, etc) doesn't seem to have this but instead the threaded lockdown.
akasrick
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I don't, but the Hollands catalog that's available, guess it's from 1931 , shows no referenced plunger parts. Are your jaws removable, just a thought.
akasrick
It does not, the jaws are cast in
akasrick
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A quick skim of that publication shows no #40, #50, etc. and no discontiouned vises. Possibly someone else can help you.
akasrick
Dave600
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Is it possible that this piece is just a threaded something that the previous owner used when the original lock/T-Bar went missing? Just a thought.
I don't think so since my vise as well as 1 other I found on fbm has this and both with the set screw
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I recently picked up a Hollands No 50 (Was hoping it was a 60 but no luck).
it was missing the swivel lockdown and looking into it it doesn't appear to be a normal threaded bolt/nut lockdown. Instead it is much like some of the Prentiss vises with the spring loaded plunger that locks into a bore in the swivel.
Looking online I'm not seeing much info on Hollands using this type of arrangement, though I have found another Hollands with this feature.
Does anyone know if there was a period where Hollands did this? Every other Hollands Swivel (No. 40, 50, 60, etc) doesn't seem to have this but instead the threaded lockdown.
Your Hollands vise is from the early-to-mid 1910's. For whatever reason, the Hollands Mfg. Co. had many changes with vise castings and model numbers from about (1910-1917).
Here's a 1913 Hollands vise catalog page explaining the design of your swivel base.
akasrick
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I recently picked up a Hollands No 50 (Was hoping it was a 60 but no luck).
it was missing the swivel lockdown and looking into it it doesn't appear to be a normal threaded bolt/nut lockdown. Instead it is much like some of the Prentiss vises with the spring loaded plunger that locks into a bore in the swivel.
Looking online I'm not seeing much info on Hollands using this type of arrangement, though I have found another Hollands with this feature.
Does anyone know if there was a period where Hollands did this? Every other Hollands Swivel (No. 40, 50, 60, etc) doesn't seem to have this but instead the threaded lockdown.
Your Hollands vise is from the early-to-mid 1910's. For whatever reason, the Hollands Mfg. Co. had many changes with vise castings and model numbers from about (1910-1917).
Here's a 1913 Hollands vise catalog page explaining the design of your swivel base.
Going back to the parts list looks as if the base and body were still available.
akasrick
akasrick
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I'll walk back on that, "Going back to the parts list looks as if the base and body were still available."Going back to the parts list looks as if the base and body were still available.
akasrick
I think the spread sheet also shows a picture of a tabbed version of a base.
But for your purposes looks like Fierljeppen nailed it.
What early morning fun.
akasrick
akasrick
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Ah great! Had to look no further then the last picture in FMC1959 post above for a base described as a tongue and groove pattern. There maybe a different locking system on the spreadsheet.
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KMScott
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Stewart Handi-Worker vise.
This is in the spreadsheet but the linked post no longer has a picture. It shows up a few other places in GJ but this post has a series of shots, and a few posts later is a link to a video of the vise in operation.
www.garagejournal.com
The attached ad says the jaw width is actually 4-1/2".
This is in the spreadsheet but the linked post no longer has a picture. It shows up a few other places in GJ but this post has a series of shots, and a few posts later is a link to a video of the vise in operation.
The VISES of Garage Journal
Fretters The Parkinson Swivel jaw appears to be in very good order now its all apart and cleaned up. It is turning out quite well, thankfully. There was a lot of rust, but fortunately it doesn't seem to have bitten too deep into any of the surfaces. Does it harden like Japanning? I thought...
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The attached ad says the jaw width is actually 4-1/2".
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Like my previous post with the Holland vise brochures, I have many other brochures buried in a folder on my PC. I asked Kevin, to make sure it would not be a problem, so I plan on adding these brochures on this thread, over time.
When I started this thread back in 2017, I had made a tab for brochures on the spreadsheet. There wasn't an easy way to classify these brochures, so I put them based on MFR's. Because of time and health, I had asked on GJ if anyone would be able to takever the management of the spreadsheet, and Kevin graciously took on the task...and has been doing a fantastic job.
If anyone likes doing this kind of thing, I am pretty sure Kevin can always use assistance. If interested, please let him know as it is up to him to decide, as well as giving editing privileges to anyone.
When I started this thread back in 2017, I had made a tab for brochures on the spreadsheet. There wasn't an easy way to classify these brochures, so I put them based on MFR's. Because of time and health, I had asked on GJ if anyone would be able to takever the management of the spreadsheet, and Kevin graciously took on the task...and has been doing a fantastic job.
If anyone likes doing this kind of thing, I am pretty sure Kevin can always use assistance. If interested, please let him know as it is up to him to decide, as well as giving editing privileges to anyone.
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Thanks FMC for creating this wonderful spreadsheet. I enjoy adding vises and their spec:s but if someone would like to take over the Brochures and Patent tabs I would be happy to accept the help. The vises keep me plenty busy. Kevin