Vise Info Thread

[KMScott]

The couple Hollands catalog pages I've got saved only show the swivel jaw and swivel base varieties. Model no. 45 1/2 is a 5 1/2" jaw @ 128lbs. Im guessing this 35 1/2 model is also 5 1/2" jaws and somewhere around 120lbs.

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OOPS, I meant 5-1/2" Thanks Chris, I will wait till I get confirmed dimensions before filling in the spec:s.

 

[KMScott]

Charles Parker 269. 5-1/2" jaws that opens to 9" and weights 132lbs.

 

[KMScott]

Chas Parker 106. 5" jaws that opens to 8" and weights 83lbs.

 

[KMScott]

Athol #40. 4" jaws that opens to 8". This vise has the quick release Dynamic Jaw Support.

 

[RiseAbove]

Canedy Otto MFG Co, Chicago Hts. IL. Assuming it is model 4 as 4 is cast into the side. Didn't notice a 4" model on the spreadsheet.
4" wide jaws
Opens to 6"
Weighs 27lb

 

[KMScott]

Montgomery Ward/Power Craft V40/V41. No other information given.

 

[KMScott]

Stephen's Patent Parallel Vise. 3-1/2' jaws that opens to 5" and weights 35lbs.

 

[va.grouseman]

KMS, that Power Craft has those familiar Milwaukee Tool & Equipment Company lines down the side.---Maybe just a quinkydink.

 

[KMScott]

VA, Ever see any like this one, seems to copy the Wards Power Craft. I wonder who made them. Maybe Milwaukee Tool?

 

[Fierljeppen]

Not VA, but I agree with him about the manufacturer of the vise being Milwaukee Tool & Equipment Co. The cast "V" part numbers are the same style as well. I'm almost certain the unknown vise you just posted is a Montgomery Ward Powr-Kraft as well.

I wonder if Milwaukee Tool had any relationship with the Luther Grinder Co.? They had the "V" part #'s and were from Milwaukee as well.

 

[va.grouseman]

Yep KMS, those look 99% identical to me, right down to the cone shaped handle ends.---I'd say the same Co. made both, whoever the Co. was.

EDIT---Make that 95%.---The top of the jaw towers is a little different.

 

[crguy]

I just picked up this Athol Machine Co. vise. Notice the screw under the slide support. This holds the nut in place, and makes it a quick action vise. How often do these turn up?

 

[KMScott]

They are not that rare crguy, you see more of the quick release Athols in the clamp-on versions like yours. That is a nice #2 you have.

 

[KMScott]

Hollands 16. 6" jaws.

 

[KMScott]

Fulton # 295. 3" jaws that opens to 4-1/2"

 

[va.grouseman]

KMS, notice that Fulton used the same method for the lock-down handle knob as is on the Rock Island 577 lock-downs.---Just bored into the center of the shaft, threaded it, screwed a screw into it and use the screw head as the knob.---Of course both could be aftermarket fixes, I don't know.

 

[KMScott]

Va, that is the easiest way to add a handle without a lathe, all can be done on a drill press, just have to find center of the handle. Maybe a shoulder screw was used. Parker also used the same method.

 

[nmantas]

You lads know anything about the Cambodian Wiltons I spotted on tv and made a thread on?

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415193

 

[KMScott]

American Scale 53N. Spec:s will be added later.

 

[KMScott]

Prentiss 209/210. 2-1/2" jaws that opens 3" and weight 12lbs. Completely restored.

 

[Muggzy]

Saw this vise at a junk shop this morning and was wondering if someone on here could school me on it a little. Never saw a spring loaded vise this big before. It's hinged at the bottom, about 12"+ tall and the Jaws are only about 3" wide. The only markings on it are the "No. 34" across the hinge at the bottom.


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[FMC1959]

Saw this vise at a junk shop this morning and was wondering if someone on here could school me on it a little. Never saw a spring loaded vise this big before. It's hinged at the bottom, about 12"+ tall and the Jaws are only about 3" wide. The only markings on it are the "No. 34" across the hinge at the bottom.


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Looks a bit like a Cole or Fisher Norris vise. You should post this on the main GJ Vise thread, more people will see your post and certainly should have some info for you. This is a link to the main vise thread, in particular on this page there is a link to a YouTube video with a nice restoration on a Cole that looks similar to yours.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44782&page=3495

 

[KMScott]

Fisher Norris # 275. No Specs;s but did notice a possible patent date of 1911.

 

[DFB]

Fisher Norris # 275. No Specs;s but did notice a possible date of 1975 on the casting text.

Wow what "different" vise that is

 

[va.grouseman]

Who borrowed from who KMS?---Fisher from Stevens or Stevens from Fisher.

 

[KMScott]

Pretty neat vise hu va. No telling who came up with the patent first, looks like Fisher's is 1911. I wish I was more up to date on dating vises.

 

[chrisnazzy]

Pretty neat vise hu va. No telling who came up with the patent first, looks like Fisher's is 1911. I wish I was more up to date on dating vises.

Come on doc, you don't give yourself enough credit. You could probably date any vise you'd like! I would think any old vise would be thrilled to have your skilled and experienced hands hard at work making them feel young again!

Sorry had to.

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[NC Rick]

KMScott,
Would you mind explaining of photographing the mechanics of that vise? It’s really cool. Quick positioning?

 

[KMScott]

Come on doc, you don't give yourself enough credit. You could probably date any vise you'd like! I would think any old vise would be thrilled to have your skilled and experienced hands hard at work making them feel young again!

Sorry had to.

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Chris, I am restoring 5 vises now and every one I learn something. Today I was cutting the top radius on two sets of Parker jaws and both vises were built with the same back angle on the dynamic and static but they both were located on different levels, like the static was cut higher. Well this messes me up when I cut the top arc since both jaws are sitting at different levels. So I have to create different top radius's since I cut them in 3d. Both the Parker 272 and the 229X were offset by .07. This says a lot about buying used Parker jaws and expecting them to fit your vise. I hope this made sense.
The other vises are a 2" Miller Falls, a Reed 403-1/2, and a Really abused Rock Island 75. All cast in jaws were removed in the three vises not Parker. Showed a couple of machining pic's.

 

[KMScott]

KMScott,
Would you mind explaining of photographing the mechanics of that vise? It’s really cool. Quick positioning?

If it was mine I could but can only speculate, the handle should have a ratchet with at least two teeth to roughly move the dynamic towards closing then there is a cam type arc that would lock the jaw in place. The transition from the ratcheting teeth to the cam or locking action is what I would have to see to better explain it's action.

 

[PghJKB]

Fisher Norris # 275. No Specs;s but did notice a possible patent date of 1911.

Who borrowed from who KMS?---Fisher from Stevens or Stevens from Fisher.

Pretty neat vise hu va. No telling who came up with the patent first, looks like Fisher's is 1911. I wish I was more up to date on dating vises.

The patent date embossed on the vise is 23 May 1911.

My searches of USPTO return only one patent on that Tuesday for a vise:
#993181
Joseph M Lewis of Trenton, New Jersey

This patent was issued as an improvement to his earlier patent issued 27 Mar. 1894.
#517347
Joseph M Lewis of Trenton, New Jersey

Reading through them, both claims are for the ratchet handle mechanism (as well as the associated construction methods).

Neither patent states any assignment, so Stephens and Fisher Norris both must licensed this mechanism from Lewis.

URL to 1894 patent:
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNu...6S1=0517347.PN.%26OS=pn/517347%26RS=PN/517347

URL to 1911 patent:
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=...&SectionNum=&idkey=NONE&Input=View+first+page

Attached are the first page of each patent.

JKB

 

[PghJKB]

All

Left out an important detail:
A.P (Anson P) Stephens of Brooklyn, New York was granted the original patent for a ratcheted side handle on 5 April, 1864. His patent, #42236 had more moving parts. The more moving parts, the greater possibility of failure.

URL to Stephens patent:
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNu...2F198.CCLS.%26OS=ccl/269/198%26RS=CCL/269/198

It looks like Lewis did not cite Stephens prior work. Looks like I need to do some more homework.

JKB

 

[KMScott]

Great stuff PghJKB, the ratchet action is more complicated then thought. I would love to take one apart. J.M. Lewis's design looks less complicated in his latest patent drawing. Stephens like you mentioned was not cited in Lewis's patent. Thanks for your work PghJKB

 

[NC Rick]

Thank you guys for the insight! I have never seen the inner workings of a quick action drill press vise and don’t know if the cam action ratcheting system is used, I assumesd it was just a cam. I think the turn of the century represented the epitome of mechanical designs and those clever inventors are what who’s shoulders our “modern” engineers stand. I am fascinated by that aspect of items from that time. If there were not some considerable disadvantage to that system I am sure we would all be more familiar with it!

 

[KMScott]

Prentiss # 91. 3-5/8 jaws that opens to 5-1/2" and weights 36lbs.

 

[KMScott]

Charles Parker 60X. 8" jaws that opens over 13" and weights 297lbs. This one is missing the original collar.

 

[meatsis]

Charles Parker 60X. 8" jaws that opens over 13" and weights 265lbs. This one is missing the original collar.

Mr. Scott that one on eBay might weigh more. My Parker 60X weighs in at 297 lbs.

 

[KMScott]

Mr. Scott that one on eBay might weigh more. My Parker 60X weighs in at 297 lbs.

OK, I kind of depend on you guys. I will update the Spreadsheet. Thanks meatsis.

 

[KMScott]

Mercury 4 Stationary. 4" jaws. Mercury uses the same model number on their swivel base model.

 

[mpckd]

Here's a Columbian 608M3 I recently acquired. I replaced the mushroomed thrust washer with a needle roller thrust bearing and straightened the bends out of each handle in a press. I also added 7/8" rubber grommets to the screw handle to prevent pinch points and the clatter of it banging around. The vise opens 12" wide and weighs 172lb.