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jwhazel

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Not sure if slightly alternate versions of known vises are of any interest to you, but I just picked up this American Scale 215A at a flea market. It's already documented here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/vise-info-thread.355753/page-54#post-9207818 and it seems to match the same specs as your spreadsheet. But it appears the casting and logo is slightly different.

I'm just happy to finally have a bench vise and didn't pay an arm and a leg for it.
 

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Not sure if slightly alternate versions of known vises are of any interest to you, but I just picked up this American Scale 215A at a flea market. It's already documented here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/vise-info-thread.355753/page-54#post-9207818 and it seems to match the same specs as your spreadsheet. But it appears the casting and logo is slightly different.

I'm just happy to finally have a bench vise and didn't pay an arm and a leg for it.
jwhazel, if you have time could you add your spec:s. Remember to measure the square slider hanging past the Dynamic when closed for the max opening. The other vise has the same model number but is a American Standard and a American Scale without a swivel base.

Welcome to GJ and thanks for your help.

Kevin
 

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Trojan (Charles Parker) #720. 2" jaws that opens to 3" and weights 6-1/2 lbs. Rare vise.
 

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Possibly for the record.
One of the Bonney Champion vises. A #114 with no shield on the body, 2"jaws opens safely 1+5/8"
weighs - edit - 2 lbs 6.6 ish ozs.

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Guessing a previous owner was a southpaw by the wear(?) on the iron jaw.
The bench clamp foot has a spur on it.
The paint isn't original.

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Alloy Artifacts shows a nice adv. from 1908 in their Bonney writeup.
 

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Home made Reed 112 Filer's vise. 2" jaws.

From the owner.
Alright everybody. First of all. Thank you for the compliments. It mean a lot to me… because y’all thought it was a real thing.

Somebody told me I should have waited until April first to unveil this but I can’t wait.

The truth is. There’s no such thing as a Reed 112. I made it up. I built this vise from scratch. I wanted to find and buy a Reed 102 but it’s either impossible to find, or way out of my price range. So I decided to replicate one. Many thanks to Daniel Ryan for over 50 pictures with tape measure for reference. I looked at my 214 and thought to myself. Why build a 102 when I can just build a 112.

Again. Thanks guys for the compliment. I appreciate that.
 

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Columbian #33. 3-1/2" jaws.

I added what the owner mentioned about this vise.

Here is a Columbian no 33 vise has 3½" jaws.
I believe it's safe to say this vise has been through alot.
From the replacement jaws to the worn thru spindle pocket, even has a hole in the jaw tower.
I believe it is from very early 1900's not long after the acquisition of Van Wagoner, which bought Trenton vise & tool in about 1892.
Needless to say this will fit in nice with the rest of my Columbian collection.
If you have any other information about the early years of Columbian please share.
 

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(Edit: I see it it was added later that it's homemade, very nicely done for sure!)

We all have our personal unicorns. But that 2" Reed Filers vise isn't just A unicorn...that thing is THE Unicorn...

I see 122 for the manufacture date on both the body and slide, and if I'm not mistaken, the "No 112" is welded on. I love it!

MORE PICS!! Please...:)
 

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HandyAndy - Sorry, I do not have the info you are looking for. The 1950 catalog said that they were the largest and oldest vise manufacturer in Canada and had been around for 30 yrs....1920ish. Company location was on Shaw St in Hamilton, Ontario and the company name was RAE Tool and Engineering Limited. McCoy Foundry in Hamilton was used. Not sure of their relationship. Name changed later to RAE Vise Corp which could be before/after they moved manufacturing to Orillia, Ontario as part of OTACO - Orillia, Tudhope-Anderson Company. OTACO appears to have sold the RAE Vise Corp to Harcox Holdings Ltd. of Orillia in 1972. Not sure if vise production continued. There are some RAE vises with an oval and a "D" in the casting (see photo). There are Crawford vises made in Woodstock, Ontario and Clark Machine Co vises from Thorold/Merritton, Ontario and some of those have the same double curve shape coming down from the fixed jaw tower to the "nose" supporting the rail beyond the tower. Were these made by RAE for them? See attached photo of the double curve and oval-D marking I am referring to....
Dave,
I have a few Rae vises and one Clark machine Co. Vise. I missed getting a Crawford Vise but I will find one as I live in Canada. As mentioned they are identical vises. There is another one not mentioned though. I picked this one up this fall for $10 Canadian. It is the only one I have ever seen! It has a metal tag that says A W Williams. It also has Montreal on the tag. I can’t find any info on it.
 

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We all have our personal unicorns. But that 2" Reed Filers vise isn't just A unicorn...that thing is THE Unicorn...

I see 122 for the manufacture date on both the body and slide, and if I'm not mistaken, the "No 112" is welded on. I love it!

MORE PICS!! Please...:)
Matt
Just seen that the vise was made by the owner. Fooled us all. Here is what he mentioned on the build. Pretty good job of fabrication i must say. I’ll move the post in the spreadsheet to the homemade vises.

It’s entirely 100% 1018 cold rolled steel. I machined the meatball, handle and the balls. Everything else was cut, welded and grinded to shape. I used a needle scaler & wire cup to mimic the cast surface
 

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Trojan 722. 3" jaws that opens to 4-1/4" and weights 23 lbs
 

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I've been working on this one for about 2 years now... its not for sale. I've thrown stupid money at it and he won't let it go, so the least we could do was break it down and clean and lube it.

Its a Columbian. No model number. Old style columbian Logo, Old style jaws. I'm guessing its a 107 based off the Vise chart. 7"Jaws Very fine threads. takes forever to open up the full 12" opening. Slide is in excellent shape. The retaining collar is a nut, that almost looks original. He really didn't want to sell it after putting it back together and the easy on finger operation....

Spindle Ball is extra Large and not columbian like. handle has been modified with nuts on the end.

base has a large "brace" cast into it so the work bench would need notched or mortised to sit flush on the edge of the bench. If I ever end up with it i'll post the weight. don't hold your breath though.


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That is a nice one AngryBeaver. I do not know how to list it on the spreadsheet. Maybe after you get it I can get more spec:s then I could list it with the weight and max opening and as a Columbian like you say. Maybe under the paint is a model number. Columbian's with C style jaws are not common, I have one that is hiding somewhere with the same style jaws.

I'd like to solve the puzzle KMScott. It's a (1918-1920) Columbian no. 507 machinist vise. I'm basing that on the jaw width, jaw style and base style. The vise does not have the original screw spindle / nut in my opinion though.

1918 was the first year I've seen the Columbian "C" style jaws advertised, while in 1920, Columbian began to advertise the universal base, which would allow the same vise casting to be used as a stationary or swivel base vise. Columbian was decades ahead of their peers with regard to that feature. It wouldn't be until 1941, before the next vise mfg., Wilton Tool Corp. would offer that feature. Eventually, all of the vise manufacturers would offer the universal base as well.

The following catalog scan is from 1918.

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I have a few Rae vises and one Clark machine Co. Vise. I missed getting a Crawford Vise but I will find one as I live in Canada. As mentioned they are identical vises. There is another one not mentioned though. I picked this one up this fall for $10 Canadian. It is the only one I have ever seen! It has a metal tag that says A W Williams. It also has Montreal on the tag. I can’t find any info on it.
Duke74 - I believe AH Williams was like a distributor in the day. That vise photo looks like another RAE vise with the "double hump" out to the nose below the slide out the front. (That is how I describe it.) There is one version of Clark Machine Co vise that looks like a RAE design. There are a couple of other versions that do not (the small one actually has a Clark Machinery label on the back). Photos below. Also, I really think the "National" marked vises are made by RAE (10X version).
 

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Duke74 - I believe AH Williams was like a distributor in the day. That vise photo looks like another RAE vise with the "double hump" out to the nose below the slide out the front. (That is how I describe it.) There is one version of Clark Machine Co vise that looks like a RAE design. There are a couple of other versions that do not (the small one actually has a Clark Machinery label on the back). Photos below. Also, I really think the "National" marked vises are made by RAE (10X version).
I agree. I have several Rae vises and a Clark Machine Co Vise. I want to get a Crawford as well. If Williams was a distributor, I wonder who made the vise? Rae, Clark or Crawford?
Ps. This is an edit. I noticed you say AH Williams, I am sure this is A W Williams on the tag.
 

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I agree. I have several Rae vises and a Clark Machine Co Vise. I want to get a Crawford as well. If Williams was a distributor, I wonder who made the vise? Rae, Clark or Crawford?
Ps. This is an edit. I noticed you say AH Williams, I am sure this is A W Williams on the tag.
Duke74: "A H" vs "A W"....that is pretty close for my typing. Sorry about that. I have a Crawford 150 (5 inch) and it very much looks like it was made by Henry. The back end of the side of the fixed tower has the inward curve and the bottom looks just like the base of a Henry. Couple of photos for you below....Like the Henry, the screw nut is actually part of the casting like a Parkinson Handy vise.
 

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Bonney Rapid Transit Vise #160. 5-1/4 jaws.
 

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Duke74: "A H" vs "A W"....that is pretty close for my typing. Sorry about that. I have a Crawford 150 (5 inch) and it very much looks like it was made by Henry. The back end of the side of the fixed tower has the inward curve and the bottom looks just like the base of a Henry. Couple of photos for you below....Like the Henry, the screw nut is actually part of the casting like a Parkinson Handy vise.
No worries, it’s all good. I have one Henry Vise. It belonged to my Aunts Dad. It’s a typical Henry and the model indicates it was one of his earliest. The strange thing is that the jaws are riveted on. The rivet holes go right through the jaw casting to the other side. I also have a Northern King which is identical to the Henry except the jaws are held on by screws.
 

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No worries, it’s all good. I have one Henry Vise. It belonged to my Aunts Dad. It’s a typical Henry and the model indicates it was one of his earliest. The strange thing is that the jaws are riveted on. The rivet holes go right through the jaw casting to the other side. I also have a Northern King which is identical to the Henry except the jaws are held on by screws.
Henry's I have had have had screws for the jaw inserts. I have seen other vises where somebody drilled all the way through, maybe to get the screw out ! I have seen "Bulldog" branded vises, models 300, 350, 400, 450 and 500 (3, 3.5, 4, 4.5 and 5 inch widths) and even one with a Henry label on the front of the moving jaw with a bulldog on the label (also says Made in Canada and look like a Henry). The wrenches for the standard Henry's swivel bases (1 - 6) will say Bulldog on them. I have also seen Henry's marked 40 and 60 (4 and 6 inch jaws) compared to their standard 1 - 6 typical markings. Here is the photo of the Henry label with the Bulldog on it.
 

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Bonney Rapid Transit Vise #160. 5-1/4 jaws.
I pulled these from the International Archive. 1886 ! Prentiss has Rapid Transit vises as well but have not seen a rack on their photos.
 

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Hey Mr. Scott,
Here’s one for the spreadsheet. It’s my New British “artisan vise”. 5” jaws. Sits on one of my New Britain vise carts. Images are also from my 1915 New Britain catalog. Take care
-Alex

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Hey Mr. Scott,
Here’s one for the spreadsheet. It’s my New British “artisan vise”. 5” jaws. Sits on one of my New Britain vise carts. Images are also from my 1915 New Britain catalog. Take care
-Alex
Alexvito163, does the book say how that worked, shipped crated machine parts, assembled in New Britain or manufactured here? I'm curious.

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Alexvito163, does the book say how that worked, shipped crated machine parts, assembled in New Britain or manufactured here? I'm curious.

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Akasrick, as for the cart with vise, catalog puts it as 575 pounds. Shipping weight is 715 pounds. These were definitely assembled at the factory, and shipped complete. I have taken one cart apart and it was intricate. It spent a few decades outside and was rusty and needed to be sandblasted and cleaned up. Currently still working on it.
 

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I'd like to solve the puzzle KMScott. It's a (1918-1920) Columbian no. 507 machinist vise. I'm basing that on the jaw width, jaw style and base style. The vise does not have the original screw spindle / nut in my opinion though.

1918 was the first year I've seen the Columbian "C" style jaws advertised, while in 1920, Columbian began to advertise the universal base, which would allow the same vise casting to be used as a stationary or swivel base vise. Columbian was decades ahead of their peers with regard to that feature. It wouldn't be until 1941, before the next vise mfg., Wilton Tool Corp. would offer that feature. Eventually, all of the vise manufacturers would offer the universal base as well.

The following catalog scan is from 1918.

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Great catalog scan! Where did you source it from??
 

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Wow that is awesome! If you care to share more pictures of the catalog I would be greatly appreciative, if not I will understand.
Thanks for sharing what you do 👍

I've shared more pages from this catalog in other posts. I generally post catalog scans only pertaining to the current conversation. If you go back thru my earlier posts, you'll find many hundreds of original vise scans to download to your own personal directory, if interested.

As far as making the entire catalog available, I'm working on a solution that will allow me to eventually make all of the vise catalogs in my collection available to the general public. My idea would be to match the equivalent value of another original / unpublished / hi-quality vise catalog scan, provided by another collector. I'm hoping that would be enough incentive to get other vise collectors to share some of their vise "data gold".

I need to reach out to "Mark Stansbury" first, as he would be the best web resource to post this type of information. He's already posted hundreds of vise catalog scans here, and I really believe it would make a great data partner to the already mighty "vise spreadsheet".

Many vise blessings to you, Balejeune84

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I've shared more pages from this catalog in other posts. I generally post catalog scans only pertaining to the current conversation. If you go back thru my earlier posts, you'll find many hundreds of original vise scans to download to your own personal directory, if interested.

As far as making the entire catalog available, I'm working on a solution that will allow me to eventually make all of the vise catalogs in my collection available to the general public. My idea would be to match the equivalent value of another original / unpublished / hi-quality vise catalog scan, provided by another collector. I'm hoping that would be enough incentive to get other vise collectors to share some of their vise "data gold".

I need to reach out to "Mark Stansbury" first, as he would be the best web resource to post this type of information. He's already posted hundreds of vise catalog scans here, and I really believe it would make a great data partner to the already mighty "vise spreadsheet".

Many vise blessings to you, Balejeune84

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I completely understand. Mr Stansbury has done a great job with the work he has put in with vintage machinery, which is my go to for vise reference and history. I did go back on your previous comments and found the blacksmith vise parts breakdown which is really cool. I really like the look of this catalog and have never seen it before so I appreciate you sharing.
On another Columbian note I recently acquired a model 33 which I ran across your post from a while back and while I was researching Columbian I found the reference to the Van Wagoner page you had on your post and thought it had to be that the early columbians were of the same design? What do you think? As you can see as well a previous owner trimmed off the bottom tab as well.
 

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On another Columbian note I recently acquired a model 33 which I ran across your post from a while back and while I was researching Columbian I found the reference to the Van Wagoner page you had on your post and thought it had to be that the early columbians were of the same design? What do you think? As you can see as well a previous owner trimmed off the bottom tab as well.

The "30" series Columbian Hardware Co. vises are the only models that I can't find a catalog reference, so I'll do my best with the actual features of the vise.

It's a hollow vise, the first version, patent applied for. The original Columbian Hardware Co. vises were the same Trenton vises that Van Wagoner & Williams were producing, as seen in this GJ posting here. The solid casted Trenton model was advertised at least to 1909, as seen in ad below.

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The very first time I see any reference to the new "malleable" vise design is in a 1913 catalog ad and many more in 1914. This is very similar to the style of the Columbian "30" series vises. I believe the "patent applied" casting is in reference to this new feature.

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While your Columbian no. 33 vise doesn't have the "triangle C", many other "30" series vises did. This trademark was very popular in their advertising from (1916 - 1919).

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Based on this information, I'd put the era of that vise somewhere between (1910-1917). Better information, (dated-catalog) would easily sway my opinion though.
 

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Hollands 103-1/2. 3-1/2" jaws that opens to 6-1/2" and weights 24-1/4 lbs.
 

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