Waekon patent infringement on Loadpro
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MrMark
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Wish I could be more pro like you, pal. I'm sure you could run circles around me
And that your time is way more valuable than mine. What makes you a pro by the way? Because you get paid? Is that your test? "Us pro's . . ." Gotta love it. You probably work on a bunch of piles with cheap Harbor Freight tools. So maybe 60 bucks is important to you after all? No?By the way, you would only have to cobble together ONE resistor because that is all the LoadPro is, ONE resistor.
Sorry you can't "cobble" that together. Heaven forbid that your customers of them there piles might see you with a "shifty" looking resistor. In keeping with the season, the Christmas Goose comes to mind here.
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richfinn
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I got mine from James Dillon at TechTopics on the south coast, his scope/CAN books are good too.
Dan_Sullivan
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I don't know.... Maybe I'll get T-shirts printed. But I'll add the apostrophe to correct the spelling error.
Dan_Sullivan
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Wish I could be more pro like you, pal. I'm sure you could run circles around me
I think a better test might be that at 4:37 a.m. your time he's probably hard at work in Great Britain instead of sitting at a computer pecking away and proving Mark Twain's adage about opening your mouth and proving yourself a fool.
I'm beginning to detect a note of jealousy in your comments. Perhaps you should change your avatar from a cat to a green eyed monster. If it will help I can sell you one of my Sullivan's Snake Oil t-shirts, or make you the president of my fanclub.
Would that make you feel better? God knows I need your approval...
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Dan_Sullivan
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How to test from the Relay Base - Video
Here's a video I did some of you might not have seen. A lot of guys struggle with relays, and this shows how to test the entire system from the relay base.
Here's a video I did some of you might not have seen. A lot of guys struggle with relays, and this shows how to test the entire system from the relay base.
Dan_Sullivan
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Here's my last input on the LOADpro, unless someone has a technical question. Thanks for all the support and interest. Best of luck out there. Remember - it's Always Something Simple. A.S.S. Don't be like this guy - stay focused. 
Wish I could be more pro like you, pal. I'm sure you could run circles around me
By the way, you would only have to cobble together ONE resistor because that is all the LoadPro is, ONE resistor.
Sorry you can't "cobble" that together. Heaven forbid that your customers of them there piles might see you with a "shifty" looking resistor. In keeping with the season, the Christmas Goose comes to mind here.
May I ask you what you do for a living?
I am a advanced diagnostic technician at toyota and previously at Honda. Everyday I go to work I deal with many different electrical and drive ability problems ranging from motors & actuators, multiplex units, pcms, harnesses that have been hacked up by aftermarket installers & diyers alike.
These new vehicles often have components that are very expensive and must be special ordered. The last thing I want I need to do is order and install $400 blend door motor and turns out the problem is a harness issue. By using loadpro not only does it save me time but reassures me that the component I am putting in will fix the problem. In the flat rate world no body has time to waste on comebacks.
ourkid2000
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Man don't provoke em! We were getting back on track!
MrMark
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You know on some forums against some diyer's that may work but I can honestly and completely say that that doesn't work here. You may not know the first thing and still be working day in and day out. Impress me here with your knowledge, show that you have more than I do, don't tell me that you are a "pro" because that is absolutely meaningless to me.
So far, in this thread, there are exactly four people who have demonstrated knowledge other than Sullivan: me, Apptappman, Stick and Rich; the other "pro's" not at all.
I see a lot of hot air about working somewhere but I don't see any knowledge being shared to show you are a "pro." A lot of blue smoke and puffery but no substance. Most techs don't understand the first thing about electrical and the few that do are certainly valuable and RARE. Sullivan appears to be making a living teaching techs ohms law and how to read a voltmeter. Let's see the knowledge without the bull.
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MrMark
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Show us what you know. That doesn't impress me. What is the max current allowable on a ecm transistor driver for an coil driver, for a inj driver? What is the max current allowable on a mass airflow circuit input. How do the input monitoring circuits inside the ecm work? What is their max allowable voltage and current?
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MrMark
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OK, Robbie, but this "pro" stuff without the demonstration of skill and knowledge and education to back it up has gone on far too long here without someone putting the kibosh on it. It's OK when talking about a tool because being used daily and thrashed is a good indicator of durability but not when talking about electrical or diagnostics. The appellation doesn't make the pudding.
I'll let it go it that.
I'll let it go it that.
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This has gotten so far out of hand it isnt funny just because you know more than someone makes you more of a pro than them this is insane. This forum is full of people of all occupations levels of knowledge and a ton of internet tough guys. some times its a deterent to even get on here.some guys just dont specialize in electrical diag, some of us are steering and suspension experts or engine and ****** guys you mean to tell me your all of them. this thread got crazy fast could have been a good thread with the designer of a good tool.
The original post was a video of Dan Sullivan telling the story of his dealings with Hickok. Hickok is a public company so you can look at their financial statements. Turns out they're not really a "big company." They're worth only about $2.5 million and have 71 employees. Probably some auto repair shops out there that are bigger than that. Hickok has been losing money for the last few years. The "executives," including Mr. Bauman, who was referenced in Dan's video, are laughably low paid, and since the stock is nearly worthless their equity isn't very valuable either. No wonder there aren't any lawyers to take Dan's case - Hickok couldn't pay a judgement large enough to make it worth their time.
I was just at the optometrist and they had a new device called an "Optomap" for imaging retinas. In the waiting room they were running a video loop promoting it, with some info about the inventor. It sounded like Dan's story, only without the patent infringement claims. There was more poop about the inventor's personal life and all his heroic stuggles (kid with detached retina, etc.) than there was about the darn device itself. I felt like asking the technician "So the Optomap looks like a cool device but how can I be sure it's safe for use on computer circuits?"
I was just at the optometrist and they had a new device called an "Optomap" for imaging retinas. In the waiting room they were running a video loop promoting it, with some info about the inventor. It sounded like Dan's story, only without the patent infringement claims. There was more poop about the inventor's personal life and all his heroic stuggles (kid with detached retina, etc.) than there was about the darn device itself. I felt like asking the technician "So the Optomap looks like a cool device but how can I be sure it's safe for use on computer circuits?"
bw77
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For us Americans:
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Dan_Sullivan
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I'm still here. I assure you, you ask, I answer.
I finished the side-by-side-by-side comparison of the 3 tools in question. Some of you here might be interested to know that the Cummins engine shut down with only 5Ω in the ECM power circuit.
5Ω ain't much.
Posting it tonight.
Brought to you commercial-free by Sullivan's Snake Oil - the finest snake oil this side of the known Galaxy.
Steinmetz
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Why? You have to compare the patent claims to an accused device to make a reasonable prima facie case of infringement. A patent cannot infringe another patent.
robe5000
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I wish GJ had a like button, this thread would have gang!
Especially the comments letting mr mark know he's a clown
Especially the comments letting mr mark know he's a clown
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FiendFX
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That's what makes my head spinning. I bought the loadpro off from Amazon and on the instruction sheet it says "Not safe on ECM inputs" and here Dan says it's safe..? What's the deal?
ourkid2000
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Keep the egos in check, ignore the foolishness, and ask some good questions (without attitude).......keep the thread going because there are some great resources here.
ourkid2000
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I know what you're getting at here....I was a little confused as well until I did some thinking.
Go back to Stick & Dan's posts earlier and you may find the answers that you're looking for. Remember, you're talking about an INPUT. Dan has only stated that it is fine on OUTPUTS
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richfinn
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You can still load test input wiring as long as you disconnect at both ends (ECM/Sensor) and power the wire at one end and load at the other end to check for corrosion.
You cant load test ECM inputs as the ECM does not supply any power out to the sensor, its either externally supplied from somewhere else or in the case of AC inductive type sensors they produce the voltage.
Hence its safe.
richfinn
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Thanks Joe
MrMark
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Really
A LOT of bad info going on here. Where do you think the 5V reference signal comes from that supplies the sensor?
Here's a list of typical inputs that many times receive ecm reference for their associated sensor. Many of these inputs also have various voltage levels at the computer.
http://go.delphi.com/CS/documents/DPSS_Documents/Education/en-us/Education_English_10989.pdf
A LOT of bad info going on here. Where do you think the 5V reference signal comes from that supplies the sensor?
Here's a list of typical inputs that many times receive ecm reference for their associated sensor. Many of these inputs also have various voltage levels at the computer.
http://go.delphi.com/CS/documents/DPSS_Documents/Education/en-us/Education_English_10989.pdf
MrMark
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What is that supposed to mean?
The issue is ECM inputs and outputs and the loadpro. I'm just correcting with veritable erruption of misinformation that is being put out here.
What do you think is going to happen when you pull a sensor that is supplied by the computer on one side and has its input to the computer on the other side and substitute that load? What if the load is much less than the original load? What happens then? What happens when the circuit was designed for a 200 ohm resistance and you substitute 25 ohms. You are the pro you tell me.
The issue is ECM inputs and outputs and the loadpro. I'm just correcting with veritable erruption of misinformation that is being put out here.
What do you think is going to happen when you pull a sensor that is supplied by the computer on one side and has its input to the computer on the other side and substitute that load? What if the load is much less than the original load? What happens then? What happens when the circuit was designed for a 200 ohm resistance and you substitute 25 ohms. You are the pro you tell me.
Dan_Sullivan
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It's going to have to be tomorrow - sorry. Went back to the studio to get the finished video but it wasn't finished. Sometimes these things take a while.
richfinn
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5v refs are an output not an input, If you unhook the sensor you will find the ref voltage is being sent out to the sensor, like you just said the ECM "supplies" the sensor.
Why not just chill out and enjoy the discussion, You have being trying to justify why you bought a Volt-Pro for 13 pages and its getting silly
Load-Pro is great, it works, it doesn,t damage ECMs and Dan is more than welcome to the Forum to discuss his ideas IMO.
Mark your a decent guy and I understand why you are a little upset with Dans comments about the Volt-Pro on his Video. (how do you think us Brits feel everytime you Yank assholes show that pic of the "Lucas smoke in a bottle"
)Come on mate cheer up its Christmas.
MrMark
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Come on Rich, correct your post above. You know it's wrong and you know better than that.
I don't own a VoltPRO, Rich.
I only have an issue with the BS and a lot of people calling themselves pro's that don't know anything about what they are talking about.
I actually find the whole thing humorous. We've got a guy with a resistor and some test leads teaching ohm's law and how to read a voltmeter and acting like he's the first guy to ever have a voltmeter. We've got techs in forklift trucks that don't know the first thing about electrical calling me a clown. Oh, the irony.
I wonder if Sullivan is really Mike NiFong back from the dead.
I don't own a VoltPRO, Rich.
I only have an issue with the BS and a lot of people calling themselves pro's that don't know anything about what they are talking about.
I actually find the whole thing humorous. We've got a guy with a resistor and some test leads teaching ohm's law and how to read a voltmeter and acting like he's the first guy to ever have a voltmeter. We've got techs in forklift trucks that don't know the first thing about electrical calling me a clown. Oh, the irony.
I wonder if Sullivan is really Mike NiFong back from the dead.
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Dan_Sullivan
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NO it doesn't.
It says "Not for use on ECM input circuits". I should know - I wrote the damned tool manual. I built it. I tested it. I've said repeatedly that a great many techs HAVE found ways to use the tool on the inputs.
However - to re-re-reiterate - there is no loadable voltage on an input. It's data. Therefore - WE WOULDN'T BE TESTING THEM.
Dan_Sullivan
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First, it's spelled "eruption".
Second, that's not how you use the tool. Read the manual. (PS - I know - I wrote it)
richfinn
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My Apologies, I thought you were all for the Volt-Pro and dead set against the Load-Pro.
So what is your beef with Dan about then?
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