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cannuck

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What would an arc fault do to put out a battery fire? It isn't the 120v circuit that is lighting up here, it's the battery/charger.

I leave my chargers plugged in and often have a battery on them long term. Never really worried about it, but maybe that needs to change.
I lost my wooden garage 40 years ago when a door opener failed (middle of night not operating, breakers had just been checked by my commercial electrician friend). As mentioned, it is the battery that will do a charger fire thing and just because it has failed, little that even GFCI is going to see until too late. I rebuilt my shop in steel and my chargers sit on a steel bench, so if they do go up in smoke, it will just stink in there.

And to think some people will park a charging EV inside of their home!!!!!!!!!! There are good reasons you can't shipped Li Ion batteries in aircraft cargo hold. might as well drive a profane powered car with leaks. WMDs for transport??
 
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ez-duzit

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Leaving a battery in a "LIVE" charger can overheat the battery if the battery is damaged... repeated HEATING... can cause a fire. Limiting the LIVE time of a charger... Limits the chances.

In other words... leaving something plugged in "LIVE"... can cause a fire if there is a malfunction.

If you unplug a bomb... it's less likely to complete it's cycle to explode.
Actually timers have been the source of many fires. Putting a battery charger on a timer simply compounds the chance of a fire.
 

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Is that box vented? Lithium ion batteries burn without external oxygen. If one goes up inside a sealed metal box then you have created a giant incendiary bomb.
No it doesn't.

Now your sensationalizing

There has been several fires documented with 50 cal ammo cans that are closed. They are not so tightly sealed that the ammo can will pop itself from the pressure that is inside. It will escapse from the seams as will an electrical enclosure.


The vents are more to let cooling air in in small boxes and still not allow sparks out due to the flame arresting mesh.
 

MOS3522

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No it doesn't.

Now your sensationalizing

There has been several fires documented with 50 cal ammo cans that are closed. They are not so tightly sealed that the ammo can will pop itself from the pressure that is inside. It will escapse from the seams as will an electrical enclosure.


The vents are more to let cooling air in in small boxes and still not allow sparks out due to the flame arresting mesh.


It sure does risk an explosion. Watch this other video where the ammo container reached 700 C (1300 F). And in this video the testers pulled the can gasket off before the test to avoid a gas buildup and explosion. It's pretty clear that a catastrophic failure is likely -- mind that the tests in both videos are with a fraction of the amount of Li-Ion than you would find in an average 5- or 6- amp Dewalt battery.



Bigger Li-Ion batteries have been known to cause a deflagration; one of those badly injured four firefighters about 3 years ago.
 

Firebrick43

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It sure does risk an explosion. Watch this other video where the ammo container reached 700 C (1300 F). And in this video the testers pulled the can gasket off before the test to avoid a gas buildup and explosion. It's pretty clear that a catastrophic failure is likely -- mind that the tests in both videos are with a fraction of the amount of Li-Ion than you would find in an average 5- or 6- amp Dewalt battery.



Bigger Li-Ion batteries have been known to cause a deflagration; one of those badly injured four firefighters about 3 years ago.
So you believe every random person you see on youtube? I doesn't appear likely at all that the ammo can is going to catastrophically explode.

Remove the gaskets or let them blow out the corners, they are not that substantial.

1300 degrees steel glows dark red in sunlight. Do you actually believe him on that? Looks like the paint on the outside paint is still intact to me. All the other test I have seen have 200-250 degree outside temps of the can. I don't know why he said it but its BS.

Many RC 3S battery packs are 5200, 6500, or even 9600 mah or 5.2, 6.5, or 9.6 amp hours. Only my tiniest of planes are 3300mah batteries. Some RC batteries have upwards of 100C discharge rates even 130C compared to a very mudane 3.75C discharge rate for 21700 cell that the High output power tool packs use.

In other words a 3S (3 cell) rc battery is going to have 3 really big bangs that the ammo still contained vs a 2P 6.0 HO pack 10 much smaller pressure spikes as each of the smaller 10 cells explodes in chain reaction.
 
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Jacko264

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Hi all
my mate who‘s garage caught fire has just been to see me the fire inspector and insurance have said the fire definitely started by the battery and charger he also said the battery had only been on charge for 30 minutes.
so using. A timer of 1 hour would not have worked in this case
the garage is to be demolished and a new one build to replace
Graham
 

CraigStu

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May be time to rig one of these up to an outlet or junction box. Simple and fool proof.

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That is exactly what I did. I didn't feel like messing w/ drywall so I put the timer in it's own 2 gang blue box. Pig tail comes out to plug into the wall outlet. Short piece of romex internal to the box powers the outlet. Yesterday I grabbed a battery that had been sitting in the charger for a week and it was fully charged. I had been concerned whether the charger w/ power cut might drain the battery but no problem.
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tealetm

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Interesting timing on this post. My buddy was recently charging his name brand 20v battery with a off-branded charger. Plugged it in on his way out the door to go to work and then got a call not long after from his wife saying that there was a fire in the house.

The battery had exploded and then ignited some toys which were nearby. Luckily they were able to put it out with an extinguisher before it seriously spread however the smoke/smell wreaked havoc on the whole house.
 
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