guitarbutt
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Um they make plenty of good things today and have for many, many years
Was there a time China made a decent hand tool?
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whateg01
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I'm not saying that's not pretty bad. But have you seen the quality issues and cost overruns on our aircraft carrier program? I hardly think those are specific to China.Read this story about the Bay Bridge & their attempt to save money by fabricating parts in China. There are other stories about that debacle too.
The Made-in-China Bay Bridge Continues to Cost California - Alliance for American Manufacturing
Wish we could say we were surprised. The decision to hire an inexperienced company from China to build key parts of the suspension span of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge will “haunt the new span and the traveling public for generations to come.” Those are the findings in a lengthy…www.americanmanufacturing.org
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Have you seen the stories about China's Aircraft carrier? Their one and only?
They bought a never-completed Soviet carrier, and finished it. Soviet, not Russian. Sat incomplete for about 20 years.
Recently went out for sea trials. Should be fitted out by now. They CAN do things...
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You are stating one example from a biased source. Granted, across the board you are less likely to run into a bad USA made product due to production costs shutting out the low end of the market. However, the US has it's fair share of bad apples. When you have companies like GM and Ford that put substandard basic parts in their vehicles, this is intentional negligence.Read this story about the Bay Bridge & their attempt to save money by fabricating parts in China. There are other stories about that debacle too.
The Made-in-China Bay Bridge Continues to Cost California - Alliance for American Manufacturing
Wish we could say we were surprised. The decision to hire an inexperienced company from China to build key parts of the suspension span of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge will “haunt the new span and the traveling public for generations to come.” Those are the findings in a lengthy…
Professional Tool User
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Why has the topic been changed to government prestige projects? With unlimited resources, just about anything can be done. Even the USSR was able to put the first man in space while people living in the countryside were stuck without plumbing. All those government sponsored priority projects are meaningless if you can't even get the basics right. We are talking about a country where people don't even trust domestically produced baby formula.
Because bashing the quality of their tools, really doesn’t hold up?
Whether anybody likes or not, to a large extent, we need them and they need us.
Whether it will be that way in the future who knows.
There are other sources, was going to post a link to the Sacramento Bee, but that is behind a paywall, that I have access to but is worthless to most, they babysat those idiots & still would not build to the specs, and the substandard auto parts are most likely of ChiCom origin, just like appliances & why they are only good for 5 years now.
seber
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China certainly can supply quality but when we needed some interim parts while we tooled up for them we found that we had to import raw steel to China as we simply could not get quality Chinese steel. It may be available to some but the quantity is very limited. It is the steel that makes tools from Taiwan superior.
Professional Tool User
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The chances of running into a Mexican made part are probably higher due to the USMCA. I'm referring to engineering level QC failures. We are asking about stuff like ball joints that only last half as long vs Toyota and out of your world stupid stuff like trying to do a spark plug job on a Ford Triton engine. As for appliances, go watch videos of people comparing old and new appliances torn down. It's planned obsolescence and cost cutting with single point of failure circuit boards taking over from electromechanical systems rather than manufacturing quality.
nadogail
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The last time I was in Hong Kong, 40 plus years ago, I saw what appeared to be excellent Chinese Merchandise offered for sale in Mainland Chinese Owned Stores. They were showing how good they can do, sort of advertising their quality.
The stuff sold here is marketed to those looking for low priced goods, not highest quality goods.
I feel that we are seeing goods built to sell; and if we are going to buy based on price alone, they were able make low priced goods.
The inexpensive goods are now coming from Asian countries other than China, Chinese costs have climbed so much manufacturing has moved to Mexico, Somolia, Indonesia and Vietnam.
The stuff sold here is marketed to those looking for low priced goods, not highest quality goods.
I feel that we are seeing goods built to sell; and if we are going to buy based on price alone, they were able make low priced goods.
The inexpensive goods are now coming from Asian countries other than China, Chinese costs have climbed so much manufacturing has moved to Mexico, Somolia, Indonesia and Vietnam.
whateg01
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That is not a China thing. That's corporate America cutting costs and ensuring future revenue.
Professional Tool User
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What exactly did you see, buy, and use? If it is traditional hand made crafts, that's a whole other category outside of mass manufacturing. At that point in time, HK probably manufactured more stuff for export than all of the PRC combined. Shenzhen's SEZ status was a few years old at most. I hope you aren't confusing made in HK and China.
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I'd say the sloppy American barely good enough mentality extends all the way from top to bottom. Spending money on recalls and warranty repairs instead of doing it correctly the first time costs money plus sooner or later, your customers will realize that your product is inferior.
finn
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Just got back from visiting friends with a Toyota van, about eight years old. They’re pretty happy with it, except they just had to replace the factory ball joints and control arms.
that and the $700 door sliding mechanism, which rusted up.
nadogail
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I looked at Calipers, Micrometers, Small Diesel Engines, and Down Filled Clothing. I also purchased some silk yardage for my Mother.
Hate to have to come to the defense of the country governed by the CCP, but we are also speaking about a country that has built and operated quite successfully over the last 15 years more high speed rail than the rest of the world forever and combined. I have watched the tire industry with special interest, as my best friend from China was tasked to improve the process. He (and his rather large team of engineers) developed and built tooling and built the factories. You might have noticed that over the last little while, so of those Chinese tire brands are producing some pretty decent tires. I switched one of my trailers that was built around G159 (and later G614) medium duty tires that are outright and expensive ****. Now run Sailun 235/80 - 16G and have no more wear and failure issues (as is the case for literally hundreds if not thousands of stock trailers all over the place). Another note: If you have flown on a new business jet over the last decade of so, it is highly likely you are flying around in a LOT of components and sub-assemblies made in or near Shanghai.
I have Chinese tires on my car, now. They're as good as any tires I've had and I'd buy them again. The price difference was too much to ignore.
visionguru
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Are you reading stories from 10 years ago? Google is your friend.
bubinga
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And a lot of times I've heard snap-on is requiring receipts yeah like I have receipts from 1993.
I got a Ridgid 300 couple weeks ago, that was missing the tools section. Serious cant afford the ridgid brand. I bought steel Dragon tools, made in china, half the price, and pretty damn nice. cant tell any differents. Very well made
dnschmidt
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Was there a time China made a decent hand tool? Yes, and that time is now.
pcmeiners
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As to the quality of products sold by mainland China, we are getting
pretty much what we ask for. The mainland has a way to go before they catch up and exceed the first world countries. Look at Japan, basically totally destroyed in WWII, now producing top grade products and services, it did not take Japan that long.
"Maybe, but we don't live in China."
At the rate China is buying companies and US debt, we may become a subsidiary of China in the future.
pretty much what we ask for. The mainland has a way to go before they catch up and exceed the first world countries. Look at Japan, basically totally destroyed in WWII, now producing top grade products and services, it did not take Japan that long.
"Maybe, but we don't live in China."
At the rate China is buying companies and US debt, we may become a subsidiary of China in the future.
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Ton ton
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Yes, I agree.
you have to be in debt in order for them to buy it right ?
$31 trillion is the "official" national debt of USA. Reality is $142 Tn due to obligations that will NOT be covered by revenue. Canada at 1/10 the population enjoys about 1/10 of the same debt. Funny how what was once a matter of concern to voters is now something that is just fine to saddle our children and grandchildren with.
I wonder if they will speak Cantonese or Mandarin?
The point is, did China cause those debt or just buying debts as investment. So you can get into more debt., it’s an investment for them. No one was forcing you to be in debt other than you. Of cause you can be like that crying guy and screams that they pwned you. And if you having searched, I think China is only the third or fourth largest creditor, guess who the top ones are.
Lol credit karma willChina holds $980 billion of US debt.
Unsecured debt
you back really fast though at that point of when the USA is unable to repay the debt back, China probably won’t care much when no other lender Will lend to you. You think begging to world bank will help?Not sure if their trillion is debt sold as debt instruments to back money supply or part or all of balance of payments from trade. If the latter, China did indeed "cause" that debt and one could argue that some of current Western deficits are once again due to Chinese producing most of what we consume. Much of what China does is carefully calculated to benefit their long-term goals of dominance. Often what appears to be a "business" acquisition is very much backed by the CCP for strategic reasons.
And: yes, I fully realize that US taxpayers and companies are the #1 bearer of government deficit (but not trade imbalance).
They are still only #4
And how do you tie unsecure debt to trade deficit ?
I believe China uses its $3 Tn surplus of trade settlements to buy US treasury securities in some way to depress value of RMB.
I remember there was an attempt that China did something back in 2010 or something to devalue it's currency in order to tame its country's inflation, and that was hissed at by the USA, crying foul, stating that they illegally done this to retain it's lower labor cost in manufacturing. I think there was a report that, economist also pointed out Canada have been doing this as well in order to get their COLA / or manufacturing jobs from the USA. There was a period of time where you see the Canadian dollar equals USD. as oppose to before of 10% or 15% less.... you can actually verify those say events.
I don't think that trading $3 trillion deficit to 980 billion loan is a story published anywhere that is legit source. I hope you are getting your news source for some reliable , verifiable source and not some op-ed that sells misinformation for money. I got to give them more credit in their mathmatical skills 3 trillion to less than 1 trillion is a lot of down conversion. and some one posted 31 trillion... so 3 trillion out of 31 trillion debt, who do we owe those 30 trillion to?
again you have not answer who is USA's #1 #2 creditor pretty much tells me your brain is powerful and rock solid.
ZRX61
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I'd say they made pretty good quality mason tools when they built that wall of theirs..
Posts like this are so damn stupid.
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