watch the shipping on ebay

[kythri]

Let he who is with sin cast the first stone. Judge not yet you be judged. Think about it before you call someone a theif. We all have a few skeletons in the closet.

HE. IS. A. THIEF.

He's purposely subverting the system and rules that eBay has in place, and doing it to avoid paying eBay the money that he agreed to pay them when he signed up.

It's fraud, and it's theft.

Why defend it? Are you the seller?

 

[SM Racing]

Don't shop on Ebay. Fees and Paypal requirements are enough reason for me not to do business with Ebay again.

 

[Joe From NY]

Its not thats hes trying to avoid ebay fees he also screwing any possible returns he allows returns but ebay does not make you refund shipping charges so when somebody buys them and realizes they arent "striking" prybars and wants to return them they only get the BIN money refunded not the inflated shipping prices

Absolutely right on that. alot of sellers say, "No shipping charges will be refunded" even on a defective product. They screw the buyer like that.

The shipping fees are better, but still way too much in the new re-list. i sent him this message: "Can i get local pick-up and save myself the shipping fees?" let's see what he replies.

 

[scott37300]

Absolutely right on that. alot of sellers say, "No shipping charges will be refunded" even on a defective product. They screw the buyer like that.

The shipping fees are better, but still way too much in the new re-list. i sent him this message: "Can i get local pick-up and save myself the shipping fees?" let's see what he replies.

It does not matter what the seller states in his listing. EBay policy which the seller agrees to when listing is that if item is significantly not as described they will refund you the selling price AND the original shipping cost. The seller doesn't have a choice, it automatically comes out of their PayPal account. The only money the buyer losses is what it costs him to ship it back. The actual shipping charges and not the over inflated ones.

 

[Joe From NY]

It does not matter what the seller states in his listing. EBay policy which the seller agrees to when listing is that if item is significantly not as described they will refund you the selling price AND the original shipping cost. The seller doesn't have a choice, it automatically comes out of their PayPal account. The only money the buyer losses is what it costs him to ship it back. The actual shipping charges and not the over inflated ones.

thanks for that lesson. i never read that on their site, but i have read in sellers' ads that they don't refund shipping charges for either direction. what scammers they are indeed.

 

[warmpancakes]

yes and when you send the item back it needs to be insured and signature confirmed delivery so your gonna be out 20.00 bucks

 

[Brad54]

Well, for those saying that this guy is a crook and ebay is in the right, how about ebay's transition from any form of payment to only allowing their partner PayPal? And then making it exceedingly difficult to get YOUR money from PayPal without paying more, or waiting longer for it? If I sell something, besides paying the listing fees, I have to pay a fee for them to cut me a check... and they won't cut a check for more than $400 every 30 days, so when I sold a $1600 Max Wedge intake manifold, it took me four months and 4 checks (with four fees) to get MY money. Because Ebay will not allow you to take postal money orders or any other form of payment on their auctions.

They've created a monopoly, which is their right. But they've imposed a lot of additional regulations that force you to give them more of your money.

Those that say "Simple, don't use ebay" are right... But the fact of the matter is, he can charge WHATEVER HE WANTS for shipping and handling on his goods. Period.

Until Ebay regulates that as well. Until then, he can do what he wants.

-Brad

 

[scott37300]

thanks for that lesson. i never read that on their site, but i have read in sellers' ads that they don't refund shipping charges for either direction. what scammers they are indeed.

Ya a lot of sellers also state "no refunds", on ebay there is no such thing as no refunds. The seller can write what ever they want in their listing, and hope the buyer doesn't know the ebay policies. When the buyer emails the seller stating the item was significantly not as described the seller email back saying the listing states no refunds and hope the buyer just drops it. All the buyer has to do is open claim with ebay or paypal and then ship the item back to the seller with delivery confirmation, once the seller emails proof of delivery ebay will refund the item price plus original shipping.

 

[warmpancakes]

I have the PP debit card I use it like a bank card can get cash whenever I need to you have to accept PP that doesnt have to be only payment method

 

[scott37300]

Well, for those saying that this guy is a crook and ebay is in the right, how about ebay's transition from any form of payment to only allowing their partner PayPal? And then making it exceedingly difficult to get YOUR money from PayPal without paying more, or waiting longer for it? If I sell something, besides paying the listing fees, I have to pay a fee for them to cut me a check... and they won't cut a check for more than $400 every 30 days, so when I sold a $1600 Max Wedge intake manifold, it took me four months and 4 checks (with four fees) to get MY money. Because Ebay will not allow you to take postal money orders or any other form of payment on their auctions.

They've created a monopoly, which is their right. But they've imposed a lot of additional regulations that force you to give them more of your money.

Those that say "Simple, don't use ebay" are right... But the fact of the matter is, he can charge WHATEVER HE WANTS for shipping and handling on his goods. Period.

Until Ebay regulates that as well. Until then, he can do what he wants.

-Brad

Couldn't you have just transfered the money from paypal to your bank account for free and all at one time?

 

[warmpancakes]

Couldn't you have just transfered the money from paypal to your bank account for free and all at one time?

yes but he hasnt verified his account hence the limit on withdraws

 

[mrholeshot]

HE. IS. A. THIEF.

He's purposely subverting the system and rules that eBay has in place, and doing it to avoid paying eBay the money that he agreed to pay them when he signed up.

It's fraud, and it's theft.

Why defend it? Are you the seller?

I tend to think of him as Robin Hood. Ebay is the sherriff of Nottingham. When I signed up on ebay they allowed you to leave feedback for deadbeat buyers so you could have an idea who you were dealing with. They also allowed you to accept any form of payment you wanted. They also had protection for the sellers. You get in a jam with buyers and the seller has no rights. Ebay has really changed and no matter what happens in the transaction ebay gets their money. Make a 20K transaction on ebay and get paid through paypal and see who the real theif is. I closed down my ebay and paypal about a month ago after a vintage guitar sale went bad. The guy filed a complaint against me (832, 100% seller feedback over 9+ years) and ebay had me return the guys money, The guy sent me some busted up POS indoneasin guitar in a 20 dollar case. His return shipping was 8 lbs lighter than the one I sent. How did ebay handle that? They told me to take it up with the authoities. I went to Florida one morning and went to the local LEA and explained to them what happened and showed them all my paperwork. They didn't want to help and told me I need to file a civil suit. I just went to his house and three of my sons walked up to the door and politely demanded my guitar back (all on video). Ebay left me hanging out to dry. No more.

I find that most people that call other people liars and theives are usually the most guilty of bad dealings. Kind of like a person that goes around telling people what an honest and good person they are is the person I don't trust. I'm not saying thats the case here but I find normally the guilty dog barks the loudest.

 

[scott37300]

I tend to think of him as Robin Hood. Ebay is the sherriff of Nottingham. When I signed up on ebay they allowed you to leave feedback for deadbeat buyers so you could have an idea who you were dealing with. They also allowed you to accept any form of payment you wanted. They also had protection for the sellers. You get in a jam with buyers and the seller has no rights. Ebay has really changed and no matter what happens in the transaction ebay gets their money. Make a 20K transaction on ebay and get paid through paypal and see who the real theif is. I closed down my ebay and paypal about a month ago after a vintage guitar sale went bad. The guy filed a complaint against me (832, 100% seller feedback over 9+ years) and ebay had me return the guys money, The guy sent me some busted up POS indoneasin guitar in a 20 dollar case. His return shipping was 8 lbs lighter than the one I sent. How did ebay handle that? They told me to take it up with the authoities. I went to Florida one morning and went to the local LEA and explained to them what happened and showed them all my paperwork. They didn't want to help and told me I need to file a civil suit. I just went to his house and three of my sons walked up to the door and politely demanded my guitar back (all on video). Ebay left me hanging out to dry. No more.

I find that most people that call other people liars and theives are usually the most guilty of bad dealings. Kind of like a person that goes around telling people what an honest and good person they are is the person I don't trust. I'm not saying thats the case here but I find normally the guilty dog barks the loudest.

I've read about buyers switching items and returning them. Even sending boxes with rocks in them. Heard that some have had luck filling a claim with the USPS as mail fraud. Ebay has a forum also under their community section, I have used it before to ask some questions and there are a couple pretty knowledgable people on there that will answer.

 

[mrholeshot]

I've read about buyers switching items and returning them. Even sending boxes with rocks in them. Heard that some have had luck filling a claim with the USPS as mail fraud. Ebay has a forum also under their community section, I have used it before to ask some questions and there are a couple pretty knowledgable people on there that will answer.

The buyer never expected me to show up at his house. The expression on his face was worth the 3 tanks of gas it took for the trip. Funny thing was this guy lived in a upscale neighborhood with a Escolade and BMW in the driveway. The guy makes his money the old fashion way.

 

[blarf]

eBay's fee's are higher to compensate for slime like this seller. People like this seller are responsible for eBay "screwing" the honest sellers.

It's the other way around. Once eBay started jacking up their fees, sellers started padding the shipping costs. Inflated shipping costs are not to blame for the PayPal requirement, and so on and so forth.

 

[treasureseeker]

I don’t find eBay fees an issue but low and inconsistent bids are a problem. I get very annoyed at sellers that are charging high shipping fees with slow shipping. It takes forever to get an item from the west coast with parcel post shipping. I would never bid an item with crazy shipping no matter the bid price. If I did bid an item without realizing it had extremely high shipping I would not be happy with the seller. EBay has always been a war with sellers trying to find ways to get the most for their items and bidders the least. As of recent I have no bids on many items to the last day with lots of watchers. I then have a choice of changing the starting price which is low, end the auction before the last twelve hours or hope for the best.

 

[southernfriedcj]

You Ebay police are a bunch of Nancies.

 

[kythri]

It's the other way around. Once eBay started jacking up their fees, sellers started padding the shipping costs. Inflated shipping costs are not to blame for the PayPal requirement, and so on and so forth.

If you don't like the raised fees, then cancel your account, don't defraud the system.

PayPal isn't the only allowed payment services - there are others.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html

If you don't like their rules, pack up and go home. It's not like you're entitled to use the service.

There's simply no valid defense to any of this - eBay's fees aren't really that exorbitant, and the PayPal fees aren't any more than you'd get gouged if you had a credit card merchant account.

 

[warmpancakes]

ebay is a WORLDWIDE auction their fees are cheap estate sales 35% off the top on site auction 30-35% plus fees

 

[kythri]

I find that most people that call other people liars and theives are usually the most guilty of bad dealings. Kind of like a person that goes around telling people what an honest and good person they are is the person I don't trust. I'm not saying thats the case here but I find normally the guilty dog barks the loudest.

I find that when people have an poor argument based on fallacy, they tend to strawman and make personal attacks in an attempt to shore up their increasing failure to adequately defend their point.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but...oh wait, I am saying that's the case here.

 

[mrholeshot]

I find that when people have an poor argument based on fallacy, they tend to strawman and make personal attacks in an attempt to shore up their increasing failure to adequately defend their point.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but...oh wait, I am saying that's the case here.

No I just realize that nobody is perfect myself included. It is so simple but yet so few understand that and fail to see their own flaws becuse they are to busy pointing out the flaws of others trying to convince themselves they are flawless and self righteous

 

[blarf]

If you don't like the raised fees, then cancel your account, don't defraud the system.

Sure. I don't buy things via eBay very often anymore.

PayPal isn't the only allowed payment services - there are others.

No, but you're required to at least accept it which is a load of bunk. Also, you can't accept Google Checkout... nor can you take a money order any longer. Their policies are anti-competitive in a way that 'exorbitant' shipping costs are not.

There's simply no valid defense to any of this - eBay's fees aren't really that exorbitant, and the PayPal fees aren't any more than you'd get gouged if you had a credit card merchant account.

The shipping for that seller's item really isn't that exorbitant, and the combined cost aren't any more than you'd ordinarily pay for the SnapOn surcharge.

The big controversy over eBay fees a few years ago was that they moved from charging more money up front to charging more money based on the final bid. This was done while emphasizing the lower up front costs with the implication that overall costs would be lower. For those still paying attention *that* is dishonest, and that sort of behavior is indeed a *scam*.

I'm not quite sure why charging whatever for shipping needs a defense. eBay requires you to display your shipping cost, but does not set an upper limit[1]. Aside from the crass nature of coming to the defense of the poor helpless corporation (the same corporation that's essentially bankrolled nutmeg's gubernatorial bid), expensive shipping is still playing by the rules. In fact, in spite of these people 'stealing' from eBay, they're still raking in money hand over fist.

1:http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/shipping/shippingtools.html#1

 

[blarf]

Correction: eBay does set maximum shipping charges in many categories, but not tools.

http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/MaxShipping/index.html

 

[warmpancakes]

Correction: eBay does set maximum shipping charges in many categories, but not tools.

http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/MaxShipping/index.html

from page in link


U.S. Sellers are required to offer at least one shipping option within the maximum and may offer other options above the maximums for expedited or international shipping.


reading is fundamental

 

[Joe From NY]

...

I'm not saying that's the case here, but...oh wait, I am saying that's the case here.

 

[Joe From NY]

here are the answers to my questions sent to the seller:

Dear a-chosen-1,

is this absurd shipping charge a typo, or are you
just trying to avoid paying ebay fees?


reply:
That is the correct shipping price
- a-chosen-1


Dear a-chosen-1,

Can i get local pick-up and save myself the shipping
fees?

reply:

No, that is not offered. Thanks

Dave

- a-chosen-1

---------------------------------------------------------------

BTW, i have sold a few things on ebay over the years, and since i am not a hustling scammer, i don't mind if the buyer comes to pick the item up. saves me the hassle of boxing and labeling the item. i dont use the shipping as a veiled profit center.

 

[srmofo]

I use to hate high shipping prices and Im glad Ebay did something about it. However it seems as if they have run off most of people that I like to buy stuff from. If I want to buy from a place like amazon, then I buy from amazon.

Someone needs to make a new flea market site. Something between craigslist and ebay.

 

[strnjss]

the guy's listing has been removed

 

[scott37300]

He's back up http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-Sn...Z150496836218QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools

 

[sko]

you guys are still talking about this ****?

 

[Mtaters]

check this one out. not interested in it myself just came aross it. 120 for shipping. didnt ask to see if it was a mistake because im not going to buy it just found it and this thread made me look it up again

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320592291315&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

 

[Mtaters]

this is the original seller from the begining of this thread

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Blue...t=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item255d90fa07

wtf is that ********

 

[blarf]

from page in link


U.S. Sellers are required to offer at least one shipping option within the maximum and may offer other options above the maximums for expedited or international shipping.


reading is fundamental

IOW they set maximums.

 

[treasureseeker]

Mtaters:
The seller of the 3/8" DRIVE AIR RATCHET has shipping stars of 4.8 which to me means it was suppose to be $12 not $120

 

[Skyline]

Charging way more than it cost to ship an item is "Fee Avoidance" plain and simple, and it is a banned practice on eBay. It could potentially get you thrown off eBay. Does eBay sufficiently police this stuff, even when lots of folks complain? No.

I figure total eBay fees for my items average about 13%. Yes, they've gone up over the years. But to pretend that high fees have killed eBay, think again. Just type in "Snap-on" in the search box and see how many thousands of items come up. Look at the final sale prices, and you will see folks paying, on average, 35-40% of new price. Someone want to tell me what's wrong with that??? Seems to me, a smart shopper can still get great deals. As an active seller, I can tell you that there's still money to be made. I know I could make a decent living selling used tools on eBay if I wanted to do it full time.

 

[Joe From NY]

IOW they set maximums.

for certain types of items ebay sets the maximum shipping, which the seller must offer as an option. he is free to offer more expensive options, along with the option of the ebay max.

 

[warmpancakes]

for certain types of items ebay sets the maximum shipping, which the seller must offer as an option. he is free to offer more expensive options, along with the option of the ebay max.

yes and the more expensive options can be faster shipping, so he can say the 20.00 shipping will be 4-6 weeks and the 30.00 shipping (that cost him nothing more) is 40.00

 

[kythri]

But to pretend that high fees have killed eBay, think again.

Exactly.

I still regularly find great deals on whatever I'm looking for.

To listen to the naysayers, eBay must have had over a trillion items listed when they started up, and that's dwindled to just millions.

It's an auction recession!

 

[warmpancakes]

i heard the chinese bought ebay

 

[FoMoCoPower]

Well, for those saying that this guy is a crook and ebay is in the right, how about ebay's transition from any form of payment to only allowing their partner PayPal? And then making it exceedingly difficult to get YOUR money from PayPal without paying more, or waiting longer for it? If I sell something, besides paying the listing fees, I have to pay a fee for them to cut me a check... and they won't cut a check for more than $400 every 30 days, so when I sold a $1600 Max Wedge intake manifold, it took me four months and 4 checks (with four fees) to get MY money. Because Ebay will not allow you to take postal money orders or any other form of payment on their auctions.

They've created a monopoly, which is their right. But they've imposed a lot of additional regulations that force you to give them more of your money.

Those that say "Simple, don't use ebay" are right... But the fact of the matter is, he can charge WHATEVER HE WANTS for shipping and handling on his goods. Period.

Until Ebay regulates that as well. Until then, he can do what he wants.

-Brad

Well thats`s funny,because it doesn`t cost me any extra money and I can transfer whattever amount I want. What is also funny is that I can accept Money Orders,Cash,Check,etc as form of payment through Ebay. Ebay gives me those options to check off.

It is wonderful hearing about all of these truthful facts from the Ebay haters (note the sarcasm).