well a storm went threw

[Jlbc212]

Unnecessary overkill.
Two tappers per brace block are more than sufficient and removable. Done it a million times.

Heck, in a pinch, a 1/4 hole and two 16d coated sinkers crammed in it will hold about the same. Do i recommend this? No, but maybe.

In most circumstances I agree with you, but the OP has already experienced near hurricane force winds and considering his building's locale it could happen again.

 

[safnd2021]

This is just a huge fail I'm struggling mentally and financially if everything wasn't soaked in water I'd pour gas on it, light it and walk away

 

[KnurledNut]

In most circumstances I agree with you, but the OP has already experienced near hurricane force winds and considering his building's locale it could happen again.

Agree, but...
The connection is only as strong as the weakest link. The nails/screws into the block or stud will still fail first, no matter how secure the block is fastened to the floor. Just add more braces if it needs more support.

 

[KnurledNut]

This is just a huge fail I'm struggling mentally and financially if everything wasn't soaked in water I'd pour gas on it, light it and walk away

 

[pcmeiners]

With the force the wind can place on those walls, Topcons will not do it. With the sheathing in place you will not beat mother nature if the wind picks up, no matter how much time you spend bracing. It could be done using anchors as JBLC212 suggests but the amount of time to do it would be prohibitive with your budget. Removing the upper layer of sheathing would give you a fighting chance.
Lastly you have lost very little in material so far, so gasoline is not an answer. Trust me, I know how discouraging it gets working alone.

 

[kelpaso1]

You cant build a wall here and there and wait days to finish the structure. The structure is only so strong until it is fully built. Without the trusses to hold the walls together is why this failed. Poor planning and construction.

 

[safnd2021]

With the force the wind can place on those walls, Topcons will not do it. With the sheathing in place you will not beat mother nature if the wind picks up, no matter how much time you spend bracing. It could be done using anchors as JBLC212 suggests but the amount of time to do it would be prohibitive with your budget. Removing the upper layer of sheathing would give you a fighting chance.
Lastly you have lost very little in material so far, so gasoline is not an answer. Trust me, I know how discouraging it gets working alone.

the next week should be clear with low wind speeds 5 to 15 which the walls have handled well so far I thought I was doing the right thing by putting up the plywood guess i was wrong

 

[Stoshu]

Same storm came through my town. I frame for a living. Get your top plates doubled up ASAP. Run your braces from the outside with them attached to the top of the wall, not halfway up. Pound those stakes in at least 18”.
You guys saying to use tapcons and anchors on the inside must have different customers than I’m used to. A couple scratches on their new floor and they are ready to fire you. Good rule of thumb is double what you think it will take to keep the building up.

 

[Stoshu]

This one never blew down. Those are 20’ walls between the decks.

 

[KnurledNut]

You guys saying to use tapcons and anchors on the inside must have different customers than I’m used to.

Absolutely understand. But he IS the customer AFAIK. In this rare occurrence, the recommendation was the exception, not the rule. If the holes are acceptable/repairable, bracing the inside would be much less hassle for one inexperienced putting his plywood up.

One day away from finishing that then setting the I joists for the second floor. Then I get set back a week

Do you have the TJI’s on site already?
If so, depending on how long they are, they could be used as long braces from the back wall to the front bottom plates. A few could also be cut to final length, allowing room for the rim joist to be added later, and installed on the plates to stiffen front and back walls.

the next week should be clear with low wind speeds 5 to 15 which the walls have handled well so far I thought I was doing the right thing by putting up the plywood guess i was wrong

Not a thing wrong with having it sheathed. It will add shear strength. Just need it nailed and braced correctly. If the winds return and theres enough left over plywood, cover the garage door openings to lessen the parachute effect. Tack up a few nailers and slap the extra sheets up temporarily.
BTW, I noticed the wind pulled some sheets loose. Are you using ring shank nails? If not, you should. This could have added to the original failure.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Don't let the frustration get the best of you. It happens to all of us at some point. I've been at that stage many times with this house over the years.

You do what you can do to the best of your ability and remember this one thing. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. However, in fill disclosure, I believe we have done temporary fixes to get us by.

Break out the tool belt and level, sweat equity is your friend. Take plenty of pictures to record what you are doing and set goals for every work day. You will see progress

 

[ambenz]

Yup, you really are doing yourself right by tackling this on your own and seeking advice when needed. I like to suggest contractors cement in a tube to glue blocks on to the concrete, let set and use those blocks for inside anchor points to prop and straighten out the walls. It's better than nothing and will allow you to scrape off the glue after it's secure.
Keep up your chin, you'll do fine and have a "AWESOME" man cave to putz in!!!!!

 

[pcmeiners]

Got curious how much wind force was on the walls....

Considering typical load design for walls 11 to 18 pounds per square foot due to wind.
Use 15 psf as a medium pressure for a rough idea, I am not an Engineer.
45' long by 8' wall= 360 squ foot (x) 15 psf=5400 lbs of pressure on the back wall, granted the front wall likely took some of the wind, but then again the wind pressure could have been higher or gusting downwards.

 

[rustyjames]

You need to have sufficient bracing inside, and connected near the top plates. Don't sweat drilling into the floor, the small holes in the concrete can easily be patched and in short time you'll never notice them.
Also, look at the brite side, it's a good thing the trusses weren't set, you would have a lot more sorrows.

 

[safnd2021]

You need to have sufficient bracing inside, and connected near the top plates. Don't sweat drilling into the floor, the small holes in the concrete can easily be patched and in short time you'll never notice them.
Also, look at the brite side, it's a good thing the trusses weren't set, you would have a lot more sorrows.

Yes! I agree I bought some tapcons and drilled them into the control joint and set a few more braces today

 

[FMB4]

Don't have money for that, I have 5.35 in my checking account atm

Hang in there safnd2021. At least your not overdrawn with rent due on the building you're operating your business from (been there, got through it somehow).

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[Firstram]

I built houses for years. Whenever a big storm (hurricane) was likely, and the house was at a vulnerable stage, we would add 2" ratchet straps to the braces. Straighten your walls as described above and get the double top plate installed to tie the corners together. Use some type of deformed nails on the sheathing, lots of them, especially along the bottom and top plates!

The wall braces should be 10' or so long, doubled up and **** the underside of the top plate. The bottom should land at least 5' out from the bottom of the wall. Buy 6) 10 foot 2x4's and use 6 of your 2x6x8' studs to make a T section. Put 2 on the front and back walls and 1 on each end. You want to strap from the top of the wall down to the slab. Use ratchet straps, a banding tool and strapping or anything that will pull the wall tight and put the brace in compression. The brace holds the wall out and the strap holds it in!

Layout the trusses so the braces aren't in the way and they can stay there until the roof is finished.

Don't get discouraged, it will work out!

 

[mike93lx]

If you want to build something like this, you need to dedicate the time necessary to get it to a stage where it is safe. You can't throw a couple walls up and get back to it later.

I'd pull stuff apart and regroup. Get a couple buddies to help you for a couple days and get it done.

 

[safnd2021]

If you want to build something like this, you need to dedicate the time necessary to get it to a stage where it is safe. You can't throw a couple walls up and get back to it later.

I'd pull stuff apart and regroup. Get a couple buddies to help you for a couple days and get it done.

I was going out there the next day but a micro burst storm came that's out of my control. I should have put the double top plate on. That's my fault but no one was expecting 70mph winds

 

[PoorUB]

Tapcons will hold just fine, easy to back out, and a dab of caulk will fill the hole.

 

[PoorUB]

Also, once you get the walls up, put some temporary diagonal bracing in the corners at the top of the walls, wall to wall. You will have to tear them out when you set the rafters.

 

[safnd2021]

Also, once you get the walls up, put some temporary diagonal bracing in the corners at the top of the walls, wall to wall. You will have to tear them out when you set the rafters.

Like this?

 

[PoorUB]

Like this?

No kity corner across the top of the walls. Green line.

 

[firebirdparts]

Any tips on how to straighten this long 45' wall? By myself ofc

You'll see, it's weak as a kitten. You will be able to move individual brace spots with one finger once you disconnect from the braces.

 

[Tim in Indiana]

No kity corner across the top of the walls. Green line.

Do not put your corner braces on top of the top plate as shown. Put them on the bottom side of the top plate. They will not be in the way of your floor joists or trusses this way.

If they're on the bottom of the top plates you can leave them in place until you start to finish out the inside.

 

[safnd2021]

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Do not put your corner braces on top of the top plate as shown. Put them on the bottom side of the top plate. They will not be in the way of your floor joists or trusses this way.

If they're on the bottom of the top plates you can leave them in place until you start to finish out the inside.

That's a good idea! Thank you

 

[safnd2021]

Re build the wall that fell today, just have to nail a bit on the other section of wall and raise it and brace it. The double top plate that really helps stiffens up the wall. I'm not gonna put plywood on until the I joists are up. Don't want another incident with the wind

 

[mike93lx]

Glad you are making progress

 

[Adaylate]

Great looking project!
If you're going to wait to re-sheet the walls, consider putting a sheet on each end of the wall to make the corners. That should help on stability.
Good luck!

 

[safnd2021]

Great looking project!
If you're going to wait to re-sheet the walls, consider putting a sheet on each end of the wall to make the corners. That should help on stability.
Good luck!

That I am gonna do just to help with racking but only one sheet lol thank you!

 

[mike93lx]

Or use a 2x4 in the interior

 

[Dogmeat]

WOW...sorry you have such a mess to re-do.....at least no one was hurt....it'll hurt the wallet bad enuff!!

 

[ddawg16]

Another good reason for not putting up the plywood yet, everything is wet, the wood is going to shrink a little.
Like others said, just one sheet at the corner, or pull it off and use a diagonal board on the inside.

One you have all the weight on...second floor and trusses....then put on the plywood.

As one poster stated...go horizontal. Especially around openings. You have a little more waste, but you want to avoid seams at the corners of doors and windows.

Here in California with stucco exterior...failure to do so means you will get crack.....right at the corner.

 

[safnd2021]

Another good reason for not putting up the plywood yet, everything is wet, the wood is going to shrink a little.
Like others said, just one sheet at the corner, or pull it off and use a diagonal board on the inside.

One you have all the weight on...second floor and trusses....then put on the plywood.

As one poster stated...go horizontal. Especially around openings. You have a little more waste, but you want to avoid seams at the corners of doors and windows.

Here in California with stucco exterior...failure to do so means you will get crack.....right at the corner.

Definitely doing that now. I have the wall re built but haven't put on any plywood. We're supposed to get another rain all day tomorrow so I braced everything, double top plate, and corner bracing it feels a lot tougher so hopefully no incidents this time around

 

[Max Capacity]

Sorry to see that, Won't insurance cover that ?

I had to add my, soon to be, framed garage added into the house insurance policy so if something happened I'm covered.

 

[PoorUB]

If insurance covered it, it wouldn't be worth reporting.

The deductible would be more than the materials, and a day of labor.

 

[KnurledNut]

Make sure your wall sheathing breaks half way of the top top-plate. You want the second floor sheathing to span the engineered joists and fasten to the other half of it. Let me know if thats confusing.

 

[safnd2021]

Make sure your wall sheathing breaks half way of the top top-plate. You want the second floor sheathing to span the engineered joists and fasten to the other half of it. Let me know if thats confusing.

I understand exactly what you're saying and it falls perfectly in place the 1/2 clips really help when it comes to putting up that plywood. Went and checked on the build after the storm that went through today everything is still standing just soaked a bit lol going over kill on the bracing really helps! Thank you for your help with this build

 

[KnurledNut]

Remember when you mark for your joists, they should line up with your studs.
If the joist spacing is 16" they will be right over top of them.
If the joist spacing is 19.2" the first and every 8' increment will line up.
You may have laid out the front stud spacing different from the back. If so, let the back wall spacing be boss.
It wouldnt hurt to do a takeoff and make sure you got enough of them before you start setting, so you're not held up.

 

[Glemon]

That really *****, all the wood is cut to the right size and almost in the right place, so may not be too bad straightening out and getting it back together. I would triangulate everywhere I could, as has been mentioned you can also stiffen up the corners by a diagonal over the top plate temporarily.

I framed my garage myself, have done other projects, but never that big. Would be tough having to go back and do over. Sometimes thinking about everything is a little overwhelming. If you keep plugging away in your spare hours it will get done.

Looks like it will be a real nice shop when done.