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What are these blocks...machinists?

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I picked these blocks up today, and I'm kind of curious what they are originally used for. The guy I picked them up from had no idea, and I've tried google searching the numbers without any luck. They are all solid steel and HEAVY, with standard threads.

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Well, it says right there that they're made of D2 steel which is a high quality tool steel. Great for knife making as well.
And they have a Rockwell hardness of 60-62 which would also make for a very decent knife.

So maybe just ingots?
 
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I don't know, they came with quite a few other styled blocks that I snagged at the same time....I'll post a few pics of them later. They had a few of them that were pretty big, one was around 2x3' in size and probably 2.5" thick, way too heavy to pick up.
 

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They might be for forming or stamping dies. I believe D2 is one of the alloys used for the dies. The standardized size might be for a particular press or setup. I believe EDM machining can be used with the pre-hardened steel.
 
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Is this stuff easily worked on a normal mill, or does it require special bits? What could the home hobbyist do with it?
 
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No kidding. Looks like D2 is pretty tough to machine or drill, so they may end up as paperweights! ;)
 

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Even before heat treating D2 is a tough steel. If it's hardness Rockwell 60-62 it has most likely been heat treated. When it's hardened edm or grind.
 
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I also picked up these at the same time, but they aren't marked...just three threaded holes, and are physically bigger than the others.



 

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They look similar to the center part to a double vise like this.

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If memory serves Knipex Cobra pliers jaws are advertised 58 HRC and center punches are around 60. So these blocks would probably last long as paperweights. :3gears:

Drilling and machining - not for the average tools to say the least.

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these would be great for the shop press to support all kind of stuff.
 

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A home hobbies will not do anything with them, unless you want to send them out and have them annealed back. They are probably die blocks for a press. But they may be ground all to the same thickness and if so you can use them as parallels.
 

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Even grinding hardened D2 is tough to do so no, you won't be able to do anything with them. Paper weights unless annealed. It is a tough steel to work with and I remember hating it when the drawings I received spec'd D2.
 

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Cut off slices with an abrasive wheel. Then make knives from them.

In large chunks, they'll probably make decent anvils. In the 60 rockwell C hardness range, these may not be tempered, so they may be prone to cracking. You can do some crude tempering with an oven or torch.

If you try to machine these you'll probably just end up ruining some expensive carbide tooling.
 

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With the hand markings they were probably for specific setups on a production machine. The WEB A and END LINER gives a clue to there use. They also have a date on them I believe, not a serial number. What industries do you have in the area that these may have come from? Is one side perfectly flat and the marking on the other side? If so then they could have been anvils for steel rule dies.

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The only local industry I could imagine using them would be Triumph Aerostructures, which used to be or is part of Vaught Aircraft. We used to have a Rheem, but it closed down years ago.
 
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Cut off slices with an abrasive wheel. Then make knives from them.

In large chunks, they'll probably make decent anvils. In the 60 rockwell C hardness range, these may not be tempered, so they may be prone to cracking. You can do some crude tempering with an oven or torch.

If you try to machine these you'll probably just end up ruining some expensive carbide tooling.

An abrasive wheel will not work well on these. It will glaze over really bad and heat up. You will need a diamond wheel I think. I haven't been in tooling for quite a while so there might be better stuff that I don't know about but D2 is very hard to work with when hard. It's tough to work with annealed as well.
 

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An abrasive wheel will not work well on these. It will glaze over really bad and heat up. You will need a diamond wheel I think. I haven't been in tooling for quite a while so there might be better stuff that I don't know about but D2 is very hard to work with when hard. It's tough to work with annealed as well.

Wire edm is about the only thing that would come close to cutting it without excessive heat and time involved.
 

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These look like die segments for a shearing operation. Probably for plastic
Blister packaging. They bolt into a die set. D2 is some tough stuff. Surface grinding
Is the only way to deal with it.
 

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Those are insert steels for a die set like others have said. Dies and molds are made in sections to make them easier to fabricate, repair, and make spare parts for as all tools, even 60-62 rc d2 wear over time. Especially in high volume operations, (think printing, fastener production, etc, thousands of parts er day). Those are component steels that are part of a larger tool, and the detail number is stamped into the machined area so the surface is still flat and the parts are identified. You probably can't use them for anything other than a heavy block of steel. They may crack if you weld with them, or impact them in any way, like with a hammer. Even dropping them can make them shatter. They're hard enough that nothing in your garage is going to work them effectively, even a grinding wheel would damage the surface, but it would be sloooooow cutting. Hand stoning and finishing of an edm cut steel is really the only way to work those back, and it takes a long time. They're really cool, but for most folks, just really heavy and super hard.
 

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Not real sure of the original purpose. Maybe some sort of press blocks or die plates.
They would make some great hydraulic press plates or parallels for mill or drill press.I wouldn't mind having them,myself. I'd find something to do with them.

Mike
 

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Hardened D2 is known to be brittle, I would not use them as press plates.
I know it's not likely to reach its failure point on a small shop press... But it's really not worth the potential risk involved should they break.
Also, I would not use them as anvils or any other use that involves striking or impacts.

Just my 2 cents...


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For the home hobbies - maybe a door stop or ballast in the trunk during snowy winter days. Hope you didn't spend to much.
 
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For the home hobbies - maybe a door stop or ballast in the trunk during snowy winter days. Hope you didn't spend to much.

I didn't, I basically paid scrap prices for them ($0.10/lb).

I'd be interested in welding a few of the narrow pieces together and seeing how well they hold up to bullet strikes. I **think** AR500 is around 50-51 RC, so maybe these would work out. Just have to figure out if 0.045" solid MIG wire would keep them together well enough.
 

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I didn't, I basically paid scrap prices for them ($0.10/lb).

I'd be interested in welding a few of the narrow pieces together and seeing how well they hold up to bullet strikes. I **think** AR500 is around 50-51 RC, so maybe these would work out. Just have to figure out if 0.045" solid MIG wire would keep them together well enough.

I'm not a weldor, but a quick search on welding D2 shows some special things necessary to weld it successfully. I suggest you do your research before attempting to weld it.

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I'm not too worried about welding it "correctly", just worried about it staying together well enough for the range....if I go that route.
 

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Probably used for forming or for setting up larger tools, like spacers for a large brake or something.
 
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