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I'd like to have something like that, but longer (say 18" to 24", 1/2" drive), to use as a lug wrench to keep in my vehicle. I like the idea of that thing over a typical breaker bar because there are no moving parts (aside from the ball detents) and you can put a socket on both ends of it (after loosening the lug nuts some you could flip the wrench around to the other socket to get them off quicker). I also like the idea of it over a typical L-shaped OE-type lug wrench because I could use high quality sockets with it, rather than being stuck with a single crude integrated socket.
 
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What's wrong with a traditional tire iron?
If you've got a welder, blue-glue a socket to the other end.

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It is called an ell.

Does anyone still make them, and if so, are they made in longer sizes?

What's wrong with a traditional tire iron?

As I said in the OP:

"I also like the idea of it over a typical L-shaped OE-type lug wrench because I could use high quality sockets with it, rather than being stuck with a single crude integrated socket."

If you've got a welder, blue-glue a socket to the other end.

I don't have a welder, nor do I know how to weld. Plus, that's not what I want. That would give me two integrated sockets, one crude, one high quality, but both permanently attached; meaning I couldn't swap sockets for a different vehicle or whatever else I might want to use it for.
 

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I'd have to say a breaker bar is likely superior in most every way. Speed, ease of use, ect ect. With that L tool or a tire iron, you may have to remove the tool every so often to reposition. It takes up more space with it's fixed end. You have to switch ends to "speed off" where as you just straighten the breaker bar and it becomes a speeder w/o removing it. Not to mention adjustable angles can be convenient on some wheel combos w/o resorting to an extension.

This is one reason many people keep a breaker bar in their car/truck even though they never intend on using it on any other lug/bolt size.

That answers none of your questions, but it is because I had the question of why? The "moving" parts of a breaker bar don't typically wear out, especially if only infrequently used as a lug wrench. Of course that is with the addition of blue locktite on the threads.
 

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i can honestly say i'd use a breaker bar. the idea is good, but with the different offsets of wheels that may not have enough reach of depth to be really useful.

i keep an hf 25'' breaker in my truck, some wheel sockets and 4 extra lugnuts. since i have deep offset wheels i also have a 6in extension in there too. one of the things i want to do is have the handle of my breaker kurnled to make it even easier to spin.
 
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That's perfect except for the length (only 12"), though a deep-well socket on the end would add 3". I'd like to find one that is at least 18" to begin with though.

i can honestly say i'd use a breaker bar. the idea is good, but with the different offsets of wheels that may not have enough reach of depth to be really useful.

I'd have a socket extension on hand anyway, even if using a breaker bar, because I prefer wrenching with the tool at a 90 degree angle whenever possible.

I'd have to say a breaker bar is likely superior in most every way. Speed, ease of use, ect ect. With that L tool or a tire iron, you may have to remove the tool every so often to reposition. It takes up more space with it's fixed end. You have to switch ends to "speed off" where as you just straighten the breaker bar and it becomes a speeder w/o removing it. Not to mention adjustable angles can be convenient on some wheel combos w/o resorting to an extension.

This is one reason many people keep a breaker bar in their car/truck even though they never intend on using it on any other lug/bolt size.

That answers none of your questions, but it is because I had the question of why? The "moving" parts of a breaker bar don't typically wear out, especially if only infrequently used as a lug wrench. Of course that is with the addition of blue locktite on the threads.

If I had something like a Snap-on breaker bar, that would be one thing, but I wouldn't want to spend a lot of money for a lug wrench, and I would suspect that the hinge/pin area of cheap breaker bars would be the most likely area to fail.

I've used breaker bars as lug wrenches before and they don't work good as speeders by straightening out the handle until the nuts are loose enough to turn by hand (and in some cases, the nuts never get loose enough to turn by hand). One advantage that they have over a solid L-wrench though is that you can swing the handle ~180 degrees to make another turn without removing the socket from the nut, though that isn't really a speedy process with a long breaker bar, probably little-to-no faster than removing the socket from the nut and repositioning it.

With an L-wrench, once you flip to the other socket, you still have some available leverage; about 6" or 8" worth (because of the 3" length of a deep-well socket plus the length of the short end of the wrench), which is as much leverage as you can get from a typical 3/8" drive ratchet handle. This allows you to start "speeding off" sooner than if using a breaker bar, and allows you to speed off when you have nuts that never turn easily at all due to rust, grime, or whatever.

In any event, either one would work. It mostly comes down to the fact that I just like the rugged simplicity of a single piece of steel and I also like the idea of having a socket on both ends. Another advantage of that is that you can lengthen the handle for more leverage by adding a socket extension, which seems like a nicer solution than using a cheater pipe (assuming the joint between the extension and L-wrench could handle the job).
 
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Buy a Harbor freight breaker bar (24 inch)(very very strong) and a truck quality socket. Sometimes you need the angle a breaker bar provides. I think you are over thinking something a simple as a lug wrench.
 
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Buy a Harbor freight breaker bar (24 inch)(very very strong) and a truck quality socket.

I don't want a breaker bar, as I've already stated.

Sometimes you need the angle a breaker bar provides.

Not if you have a suitable extension.

I think you are over thinking something a simple as a lug wrench.

A lug wrench is one of the most important tools you can own, since its primary purpose is getting you out of a jam (which may be in the middle of nowhere and 30-below). But regardless of that, I want an L-wrench because I like the idea of it for various reasons that I've already mentioned.
 

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take a piece of 1/2" bar stock
cut it to the length you want
clamp one end in a vise
take a torch to where you want it bent
grab the other end and pull
 

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No one makes this tool in the configuration you are looking for. Either you need to buy one of the shorter ones and extended it by welding or using extensions or reconsider your options. Rejecting every suggestion made here does not help your cause. Breaker bars have made the tool you are looking for obsolete and are proven to hold up for what use you are suggesting. You do not want a breaker bar so you have limited your options to a tool that does not exist. Make one or start being a little more flexible.
 
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No one makes this tool in the configuration you are looking for. Either you need to buy one of the shorter ones and extended it by welding or using extensions or reconsider your options. Rejecting every [unsolicited] suggestion made here does not help your cause. Breaker bars have made the tool you are looking for obsolete and are proven to hold up for what use you are suggesting. You do not want a breaker bar so you have limited your options to a tool that does not exist. Make one or start being a little more flexible.

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Note that I did not once ask for suggestions on what to use for a lug wrench; I only asked what the pictured tool was called; if they are still being manufactured; and if so, are they manufactured in longer lengths. Also note that I've already considered a breaker bar, as mentioned in my OP. I may end up using a breaker bar, but deciding on what to use for a lug wrench is not the purpose of this thread, as I already know what I want to use, and I also know what the other options are if I can't find what I want.


I already have one of those. It isn't what I want, and I haven't opened it yet, so I can return it when I find something that I do want (assuming I don't get a flat and have to use it before then). I bought it because I was going on a long drive in a recently purchased vehicle that didn't come with a lug wrench, so I stopped into Wal-Mart on the way and bought it as a "better than nothing" option.

take a piece of 1/2" bar stock
cut it to the length you want
clamp one end in a vise
take a torch to where you want it bent
grab the other end and pull

I've thought of that. The only problem is it wouldn't have a ball detent.
 
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I don't want a breaker bar, as I've already stated.



Not if you have a suitable extension.



A lug wrench is one of the most important tools you can own, since its primary purpose is getting you out of a jam (which may be in the middle of nowhere and 30-below). But regardless of that, I want an L-wrench because I like the idea of it for various reasons that I've already mentioned.

Just trying to give you the most logical solution. If you want to carry a ell, two extensions and a socket thats up to you. The more parts you have the less stable and lese effective it becomes. Have fun
 

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This thread is kind of funny...

I've been wanting to use this somewhere :deadhorse
 

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A lug wrench is one of the most important tools you can own, since its primary purpose is getting you out of a jam (which may be in the middle of nowhere and 30-below). But regardless of that, I want an L-wrench because I like the idea of it for various reasons that I've already mentioned.

But it's no good at all if you're stuck without a lug wrench at all because you can't find the exact thing you're looking for. And while a lug wrench may be mission-critical when you need one, it's also not rocket science. Many things get the job done....
 

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I've been wanting to use this somewhere :deadhorse

Do a search for "Harbor Freight vs Snap-on" - that should give you a few more opportunities :lol_hitti

On topic: I have a couple of those "ells" lying around - I never really knew what they were specifically for, just thought they were kind of funny.

While I agree that there are definitely options that would do the job other than what the OP is looking to do, the OP asked specifically about availability of a certain tool; I think giving him/her a hard time about intended application is unnecessary. There are plenty of times I see threads (not to mention, in the shop!) where I think "why the F would you use THAT for THAT?" but I figure, everyone has their preferences. I certainly do.
 
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Just trying to give you the most logical solution. If you want to carry a ell, two extensions and a socket thats up to you. The more parts you have the less stable and lese effective it becomes. Have fun

I wouldn't need an extension at all if I found one of the right dimensions. The sockets would stay attached.

This thread is kind of funny...

I've been wanting to use this somewhere :deadhorse

Where is the unsolicited suggestions icon and/or the tangent icon?

But it's no good at all if you're stuck without a lug wrench at all because you can't find the exact thing you're looking for. And while a lug wrench may be mission-critical when you need one, it's also not rocket science.

I have a lug wrench, still unopened in the package (see above). It is not what I want, but I won't be stuck without one.

Many things get the job done....

The same thing applies to Snap-on vs. Mac or Craftsman or whatever, but there are still plenty of people who have a strong preference for one brand over another, even though there are many brands that get the job done. Even though I gave some reasons for wanting an L-wrench, it wasn't necessary. "I want it because I want it" is good enough.

Regarding making one, I suppose a 3/4" square steel rod could be bent and have a couple of 3/4" to 1/2" adaptors welded onto the ends (to provide the ball detents). I might end up doing that.
 

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It is called an Ell and no one makes one that fits your specifications. Is that better? Unsolicited advice is: Make a longer one out of a shorter one or go without. Is that better?

Others are making suggestions because what you want is not made by anyone. An 18" to 24" Ell.
 
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Just another thought - scour the pawn shops for a 6" long ½" drive extension, and weld it to a piece of pipe of a suitable length.

If you don't have to have the interchangeable sockets, and can commit to one size, McMaster Carr sells these: http://www.mcmaster.com/#socket-wrenches-with-attached-sockets/=b8cvl6

Check around with some industrial suppliers - those things are liable to be popular in some niche market.
 

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I suggest a crescent wrench and hammer. But really a breaker bar small extension and socket is easy reliable and will do the job. The tool (ell) that you vision may not be made with the right length (the lengths your looking for). You have many options including manufacturing the tool you want (that's what machine shops are for).
Josh
 
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It is called an Ell

Yes, that's already been established (see post #2).

and no one makes one that fits your specifications.

I doubt you can say that for sure. Toptul makes one that is a good length (18"), but it only has one 3/4" drive rather than two:

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In searching for this I've noticed a lot of Asian companies make this type of wrench, but it is hard to find dimensions and distributors for them. I suspect that what I want is made by someone, somewhere (since I've found several that were very close to what I want). Finding them is another matter though.
 

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Yes, that's already been established (see post #2).



I doubt you can say that for sure. Toptul makes one that is a good length (18"), but it only has one 3/4" drive rather than two:

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In searching for this I've noticed a lot of Asian companies make this type of wrench, but it is hard to find dimensions and distributors for them. I suspect that what I want is made by someone, somewhere (since I've found several that were very close to what I want). Finding them is another matter though.

That is not what you were looking for, you wanted the socket drive on both ends remember? I am quite sure that you are not going to find what you originally asked for, but you could get someone to make one for you since you have stated that you do not weld.
 

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I wouldn't need an extension at all if I found one of the right dimensions. The sockets would stay attached.

call the used tool factory perhaps they have an obsolete tool laying around like you prefer over the unsolicited suggestions we've made...

oh, WELCOME to the forum :)
 
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That is not what you were looking for, you wanted the socket drive on both ends remember?

Yes, that's what I said ("... but it only has one 3/4" drive rather than two"), but it is still very close to what I am looking for, and it is in fact an 18" ell which you said is not made by anyone ("... what you want is not made by anyone. An 18" to 24" Ell.")

I might end up getting one of those if I can't find anything else. Having the length for good leverage is the most important part to me.

I am quite sure that you are not going to find what you originally asked for

What makes you so sure?
 

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Gorilla makes a one ended L with an offset (for their lug set) and it extends to 21 inches. With a cheater it is very strong (500-600 lbs. I would say). Without a cheater it is very slug-able for any rusted or over-torqued up fasteners.

I got mine for a Xmas gift so I don't mind abusing it. :bounce:
 

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If all fails you can apply for one of these

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Or I could use the lug wrench that's already in my truck, you know, the one that I've already mentioned a couple times.

By the way, if there was any indication in the thread that I'm a "yuppie", your picture would actually make sense.
 

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Or I could use the lug wrench that's already in my truck, you know, the one that I've already mentioned a couple times.

By the way, if there was any indication in the thread that I'm a "yuppie", your picture would actually make sense.

I wasn't trying to say you were a yuppie. Just adding some humor to your thread. It really needed it
 

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I'd like to have something like that, but longer (say 18" to 24", 1/2" drive), to use as a lug wrench to keep in my vehicle. I like the idea of that thing over a typical breaker bar because there are no moving parts (aside from the ball detents) and you can put a socket on both ends of it (after loosening the lug nuts some you could flip the wrench around to the other socket to get them off quicker). I also like the idea of it over a typical L-shaped OE-type lug wrench because I could use high quality sockets with it, rather than being stuck with a single crude integrated socket.

You could use the Hazet 772, that is a lug wrench with a 1/2" drive end. The wrench is expandable from 12 to 21" plus the length of the plastic handle. Also the angle is not 90 degrees so that you have more clearance from the fender.

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I have one in my car in case I need it on the road. You can use Hazet 900 series sockets with that or any other 1/2" drive socket.

Price is 55 US$ (shipped to the US) just to give you an idea about the price.
 
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Gorilla makes a one ended L with an offset (for their lug set) and it extends to 21 inches. With a cheater it is very strong (500-600 lbs. I would say). Without a cheater it is very slug-able for any rusted or over-torqued up fasteners.

I got mine for a Xmas gift so I don't mind abusing it. :bounce:
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X2 on this have one for years works great and takes up very little space when not needed
 

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Wow,
MaximRecoil should have posted this six months ago.
Before the plant closed they did a complete rebuild on the 1000ton forge press.
Well it kept needing clutch/brake adjustments (I hated that job). But they said "nature of the beast" and will have to be done 3 or 4 times before all is "broke in" ( i hated that job).
Any way the tool used was pretty much what is pictured in the 1st post, but about 6" long on the short side an maybe 26" on the long, 1/2" drive w/locking detents.
Well when they moved the press out, the tool was still in my box.

It made a fine ANODE for my electrolysis projects, Did I say "I hated that job"
Chuck
 
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