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ADSR

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For the people who hate belt changes because of possibly skipping a tooth, i have a sorta foolproof way an old mechanic taught me.

He used to use fast drying paint, i use a paint marker.

1. Paint 2 belt teeth on the camshaft sprocket, and extend onto the sprocket.
On twin cams on the second sprocket the belt gets 3 teeth painted.

2. Paint 1 tooth on the crankshaft and extend the line onto the sproket.

3. Let the paint dry while having a cup of coffee.

4. Loosen tensioner and remove belt.

5. Put old belt back to back with new belt and transfer paint marks to new belt.
Hold both belts back to back with 2 fingers while pulling it sideways,
while holding the belts togheter , back to back between your other fingers,
allowing the belt to slip through, be carefull to keep the teeth alligned, the
old belt can be a bit stretched versus the old one.
There's not much stretch in these things, but enough to go of a tooth on
the timing if you don't watch it
Going around a few times the marks SHOULD continue to line up.

If not either your new marks are off, or they gave you the wrong belt.

Which is the reason he used to do it this way, he got sent a wrong belt
on a few occasions.

And if its just 1 tooth longer, would you notice ?

6. If everything keeps lining up transfer the paint on the new belt to the other
side of the teeth and let it dry for a minute or 2.

7. Mount the belt and new tensioner asuring yourself al your paint marks are
lining up. Spring clamps and bulldog paper clips are awesome tools for
holding a belt in place while you work it over the other sprockets without
it shifting a tooth or 2 on you.
They are also dirt cheap, and if you have ever done a timing belt on a
Subaru boxer engine, you know which dealer apprentice ship i got this
trick from.

8. If all your marks stil line up, put the belt on the correct tension, and check
again if everything stil lines up. If so, and you followed each step carefully,
taking your time, you have just swapped belts and the timing is still perfect.

9. If all lines up perfectly, but your still sweating, put a socket on the crank-
shaft bolt, take out your favorite ratchet, and turn the engine over a few
times by hand.
You should feel the resistance of the compression in the cilinders,
(or take out al the spark plugs to really feel any resistance)
What you should NOT feel or hear is "KLOINK" or any real "binding"
or resistance greater than the compression of the engine.
If it ïs impossible to turn it over by hand at a certain point you :

A: Didn't eat you're Weatabix this morning.

B: It's binding because the timing is of, recheck your marks.


NOTE: while turning the engine your paint marks will "migrate".

This method is usefull on a lot of cars, especially where the timing marks are molded on the plastic belt guards, but have been broken off, or rubbed away by for instance a frayed multigrove belt.
Or if the entire piece of guard with the mark on it is missing
Leaving you without the correct marks to set / check the belt timing.

I have also found that on some vehicles the timing marks when put exactly right,
The belt teeth land ontop of the sprocket teeth instead of in the gaps, leaving you to wonder whether you should go half a tooth forward or back :willy_nil

Sometimes this is caused by the "play" in the mounting for the rear halve of the guard, which allowes for slight adjustment up and down of the cover.
Sometimes even the cast in the block ones are off a bit, like on my daihatshu.

Also, you've checked to see whether the idiot behind the parts counter did in fact
give you the correct belt for your make and model engine.

When done correctly, everything is as it was before but with a new belt and tensioner, and please, get some springclamps or buldogg paperclips to help you.
Those things are dirt cheap and have SO many uses around cars.
It will take away a lot of stress if you were not born with 3 arms and 15 fingers.

I hope this helps some of you guys, sorry for the long post, just hoping to help some of you.

:thumbup:

Thank you for the very good technique! And the time it took to write it all up. I will do it this way from now on. :thumbup:
 
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Yep, same here. Bought a Tundra with about 90k miles on it and they recommend changing it at 100k. It's at about 105k now. I'm not sure if the PO changed it or not but I keep telling myself he did. Then I think about the fact that what if he didn't? You guys want to come over and help me? LOL.

You know damn good and well he didn't... POs ****. Probably half the reason he sold the truck at 90K was the impending timing belt change.

You know what you have to do... :D


On a related note, can we just take a moment to contemplate how &^%$#@ stupid the whole idea of a timing belt is, especially on an interference engine? Let's entrust an entire $5,000+ engine to a stupid $20 rubber band and hope the owner doesn't mind too much dropping $700 or more every 60,000 miles. And yeah, let's bury the stupid thing so ^%$#@! deep you have to disassemble half the car to get to it...

Aaarrgghhh... no, timing belts don't scare me. They just really, really piss me off.



Actually, today I conquered one of my remaining fears: air bags. I'd been putting off fixing the turn signal switch on my wife's truck for years because the steering wheel, complete with its government-mandated pillow bomb for idiots, must be removed.

Alas, her patience reached its end today. The turn signals just weren't working much at all, so it was time.

I must have read the procedure 100 times. I could quote it from memory, backward and forward.

And of course it turned out to be no big deal. Very easy to remove the airbag -- just pop off two plastic covers and remove two bolts and a funky double-locked wiring connector.
 
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Why are interference engines even made? Wouldn't engineers say that's retarded? Or am I thinking backwards? Engineers say lets make it the most complex system ever?

Seriously, what's the benifit of having valves run where the pistons do? Longer stroke? Shorter heads?
 

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What scares me most is sitting across from a woman with great breasts and huge cleavage and avoiding looking at them or getting caught when I do and her husband or boyfriend is present. That often occurs in my business situation. Some days I succeed and others I get caught. :thumbup:
 

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Hole saws and mag drills i had a mag drill grab and spin around with my hand holding onto it and it launched onto the floor i think it would iv dislocated my thumb if it wasn't double jointed haha .
 

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Re: What tool, Job or Task Intimidates you?

not sure if this sort of topic has been discussed or not or even if anyone is willing to admit to such a thing.

we all use all sorts of tools and gadgets, etc and I'm sure there are tools or tasks out there that some people find intimidating to use.

I myself was never comfortable using a table saw. Not sure why .

how about it? What jobs, tools or tasks you do that you just never get comfortable doing or using.

cheers
:canada2:

We have one of those table saws at work where the blade stops instantly if you touch it. Allegedly it will stop so fast that it will just break skin. I don't know who's ever tested this in a real life event but it may be the difference between a lot of pain and loosing a finger.

The tool that intimidates me most is my buffer. I have had many parts do flying ballisticlly across the room.
 

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Why are interference engines even made? Wouldn't engineers say that's retarded? Or am I thinking backwards? Engineers say lets make it the most complex system ever?

Seriously, what's the benifit of having valves run where the pistons do? Longer stroke? Shorter heads?

All modern engines are interference. Some more interference than others. The price you pay for performance.
 

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I hate working on car brake hydraulics, goes back to an unfortunate incident involving my first Alfa Romeo and a sudden loss of control when braking leading to a complete 360 and rear wheel versus kerb. I really have no confidence at all since then and that has to be 25 years ago.
 

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All modern engines are interference. Some more interference than others. The price you pay for performance.

What Is the performance difference? Noticeable? Or would it take great lengths to get the same performance for a non interference engine?
 

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Auto transmissions used to intimidate me, but did my first TH400 last year and it works just fine.

Also a big fan of chainsaws.

Stuff that I don't care for -

1. Getting shot at (including incoming mortars and rockets)

2. Bodywork. Just haven't learned it yet. Still black magic to me.

3. Electrical work. I can rebuild an engine or transmission, but I can turn the simplest wiring job into a complete ***********.

Scott
 

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Baker scaffolding and snorkel lifts.

Not a big fan of heights, especially once you get 40'-50' up.

Gotta pay the bills, though.
 

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What Is the performance difference? Noticeable? Or would it take great lengths to get the same performance for a non interference engine?

higher compression...and you can put a longer stroke into a shorter overall engine package, fitting into a tighter engine bay...

one reason i like working on my cummins b series diesels...all ya got to time is the crank to the cam(both gears so it's very easy to do) and some times the pump to the cam
 

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AC electrical work over 250VAC, especially 480 VAC...when I first started working with 480V I naively thought it would be maybe twice as dangerous as 240V but eventually learned it is more like 100X worse due to arc flash. Never had an incident but hated working around it however somehow am very cautious yet comfortable regularly working w/ 400 VDC on vacuum tube guitar amplifiers (tube amp plate voltages can be quite lethal too :shocking:, but not so explosive)

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What's the ding for ? Letting you know the toast is done ?
 

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You know damn good and well he didn't... POs ****. Probably half the reason he sold the truck at 90K was the impending timing belt change.

You know what you have to do... :D


On a related note, can we just take a moment to contemplate how &^%$#@ stupid the whole idea of a timing belt is, especially on an interference engine? Let's entrust an entire $5,000+ engine to a stupid $20 rubber band and hope the owner doesn't mind too much dropping $700 or more every 60,000 miles. And yeah, let's bury the stupid thing so ^%$#@! deep you have to disassemble half the car to get to it...

Aaarrgghhh... no, timing belts don't scare me. They just really, really piss me off.



Actually, today I conquered one of my remaining fears: air bags. I'd been putting off fixing the turn signal switch on my wife's truck for years because the steering wheel, complete with its government-mandated pillow bomb for idiots, must be removed.

Alas, her patience reached its end today. The turn signals just weren't working much at all, so it was time.

I must have read the procedure 100 times. I could quote it from memory, backward and forward.

And of course it turned out to be no big deal. Very easy to remove the airbag -- just pop off two plastic covers and remove two bolts and a funky double-locked wiring connector.
Ya I hear ya unfortunately loud and clear. LOL. I'm with you on the $20 piece of rubber too, absolutely terrible engineering IMO.

I guess I'm going to have to try Raven GTs suggestion and get er done.
 

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Plumbing and Electrical work I need to get much better at. I don't get to do any electrical at work. Probably take a few electrical classes eventually.
 
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using the tandem remote controlled hoists in the shop to move 50,000+lbs of gen-sets overhead, going over millions of dollars of equipment. i never feel comfortable doing it.
 

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... can we just take a moment to contemplate how &^%$#@ stupid the whole idea of a timing belt is, especially on an interference engine? Let's entrust an entire $5,000+ engine to a stupid $20 rubber band and hope the owner doesn't mind too much dropping $700 or more every 60,000 miles. And yeah, let's bury the stupid thing so ^%$#@! deep you have to disassemble half the car to get to it...

Aaarrgghhh... no, timing belts don't scare me. They just really, really piss me off.

Had to replace the car a few years ago... I liked Subaru, but the known timing belt issues pissed me off (especially since they last, what, 60-80K and fail with surprising regularity)... I heard that they were changing over to a cam chain, so held off almost a year... best move they could have made. Noisy? Yep. Especially when you first start it up. But mine has 94K hard miles, maintained like a junkyard dog, and still comes up and (knock on wood) licks my hand and wags its tail.
 

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Laundry.

Whites, colors, solids, stripes, delicates, permanent press, etc. I just toss it all into one pile and call it good. So many options and choices.


My wife & 2 daughters have labeled me 'laundry impaired.' And I admit I am, if laundry involves more than bluejeans, socks, underwear, and T-shirts or solid polo shirts. Bras? Pantyhose? Silks? Wools? Tumble dry low?? WTF, over!??!?!?!! Where do I put those?
 
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Re: What tool, Job or Task Intimidates you?

not sure if this sort of topic has been discussed or not or even if anyone is willing to admit to such a thing.

we all use all sorts of tools and gadgets, etc and I'm sure there are tools or tasks out there that some people find intimidating to use.

I myself was never comfortable using a table saw. Not sure why .

how about it? What jobs, tools or tasks you do that you just never get comfortable doing or using.

cheers
:canada2:


Thanks for all the comments so far, I never thought i would get this many replies.

Cheers
 

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My wife & 2 daughters have labeled me 'laundry impaired.' And I admit I am, if laundry involves more than bluejeans, socks, underwear, and T-shirts or solid polo shirts. Bras? Pantyhose? Silks? Wools? Tumble dry low?? WTF, over!??!?!?!! Where do I put those?


Laundry isn't something that intimidates me, I flat **** at it. I can't fold it once it's clean to save my life either. My wife makes fun of me when I try to help.
 

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I was a tool maker for 10 years and a lots of things stressed me out.
- u drills on a cnc milling machine
- tapping for the first time on a cnc mill
- checking a burn on an EDM with mega high amps
im now a freight train driver and shunting mile long trains in the middle of nowhere on the top of a hill freaks me out
 

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There's a lot of difference between hating a job and being intimidated by a job. I see some posting that there are jobs they hate to do, but have to just jump in and get'er done. Intimidating jobs are the ones that make you feel like you just been pulled over by a LEO, and you don't know what you did, or whether you are going to get a ticket for it. :lol:
 

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Working up high on steep pitched roofs gives me the willies. Same for high up on long extension ladders.


Hole saws and mag drills i had a mag drill grab and spin around with my hand holding onto it and it launched onto the floor i think it would iv dislocated my thumb if it wasn't double jointed haha .

Hole saws up on extension ladders. Use one hand and the thing grabs and wants to break your arm. Use two hands and it flings you off the ladder.

:eek:

Oh yeah, working on my back under cars up on jackstands creeps me out too. I'm always imagining which part of me is going to be crushed when the thing falls, no matter how secure I have it.
 
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What scares me most is sitting across from a woman with great breasts and huge cleavage and avoiding looking at them or getting caught when I do and her husband or boyfriend is present. That often occurs in my business situation. Some days I succeed and others I get caught. :thumbup:

So you're saying that looking at ***** scares you? It's ok, they won't bite.
 

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Tablesaw for me..pushing your fingers toward that blade, I never have to do that with my chainsaw or circle-saw. I can't think of a tool that scares me more. I've used them, but I won't ever own one, I'll just keep ripping sheets with a circle-saw and guide..
 

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1. Tall ladders and getting on/off a roof at any height!
2. Prehung doors. No matter how carefully I shim and straighten, when the door goes on the jambs are like spaghetti. About an hour later it's good.
 

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Automatic transmissions. They're magic inside. I've done a couple old VW 5 speed tear downs, but they're like legos in comparison to an auto.

Electrical work. I'll do little things, but too many OSHA classes and a healthy fear of arc flash keep me in check. I'll gladly pay my electrician (best service provider I've ever used) to handle anything that makes me second guess.

Fire. Anything that can cause a fire, anything that resembles heat, anything that has an open flame or ignition. My dad was a fire chief for years, a lot of that worry is very instilled in me. It doesn't help that I have a log home and everything inside is nice dry tongue and grove. This reminds me I need a couple more 20# extinguishers... and I need a chimney sweep.

Skylights. Though having 9 between the house and garage has thoroughly pushed me to understand how and why they WILL leak. Tackled one velux glass re-seal and (knock on wood) it's water tight, just a couple more to go.

Roof work, tall extension ladders. The skylights above have helped me a bit with being on the roof, but I'll avoid 20'+ on an extension ladder whenever I can. Buying a couple harnesses for being on the top of the house has given me a little more confidence too.

Carburetors. I took apart the one on my garden tractor easily enough, but ended up just buying a new one shortly after. For $98 shipped it was worth it.
 

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Getting down from a ladder. I hate it. Once I'm up where ever it is, I'm fine. Getting down scares the beejeebers out of me.
Drilling/tapping. Thankfully I've only had to do it a couple times...
My wife it's ladders and she won't go near the table saw, which is weird because she'll use the compound miter saw....
 

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Re: What tool, Job or Task Intimidates you?

We have one of those table saws at work where the blade stops instantly if you touch it. Allegedly it will stop so fast that it will just break skin. I don't know who's ever tested this in a real life event but it may be the difference between a lot of pain and loosing a finger.

Who's tested it in real life? The inventor. There's a video online of him using his own finger to test it. He's far braver than I am.
 
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