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Recently got a new breaker bar off eBay, thought I had a socket in 1” drive but it’s actually 3/4”. I’m just using it for lugnuts so I don’t need a whole set. I think both cars are 21mm, although I need to check the mini van (2006 Sienna).

Searching on eBay is a nightmare since I can’t easily filter for drive size and 1” is pretty uncommon. HF only sells sets, and don’t carry 1”. I don’t think Ace or HD or Lowe’s sell 1”.

So if you had to buy a 21mm 1” drive socket what kind would you get, and where would you buy it from?
 

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Not trying to challenge you or nothing I hate it when people do that when you just want to buy a new tool but I’m actually curious here

what kind of 21 mm lug nuts are on so tight that a 1/2 drive breaker bar won’t take off? I never worked on huge trucks and I figured there lug nuts must be like 30 mm or bigger even.

is it just because you found the breaker bar cheap and want to use it for this? I found a cheap snap on 1/2 breaker bar and use that for lug nuts it was like 25 bucks nobody wants breaker bars anymore so you can get them cheap. And then use 1/2 drive sockets

i would think if anyone makes a 1 inch drive 21 mm that it would be so thick it might not fit a lugnut depending on the clearance around it. Lots of cars need low profile specialty sockets for lug nuts that are thin so they can fit and not scratch the wheel

but if you want to do it then look for 13/16 inch I actually just found a real old 13/16 1/2 drive socket in my uncles lug nut breaker bar kit and it fits real good on 21 mm for me at least.

i don’t think anyone going to make a 1” drive 21 mm socket because 1” is 25 mm so you’d be tapering down alot. The ones i seen start at like 30 tbh
 
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mikey03 said:
Not trying to challenge you or nothing I hate it when people do that when you just want to buy a new tool but I’m actually curious here

what kind of 21 mm lug nuts are on so tight that a 1/2 drive breaker bar won’t take off? I never worked on huge trucks and I figured there lug nuts must be like 30 mm or bigger even.

is it just because you found the breaker bar cheap and want to use it for this? I found a cheap snap on 1/2 breaker bar and use that for lug nuts it was like 25 bucks nobody wants breaker bars anymore so you can get them cheap. And then use 1/2 drive sockets

i would think if anyone makes a 1 inch drive 21 mm that it would be so thick it might not fit a lugnut depending on the clearance around it. Lots of cars need low profile specialty sockets for lug nuts that are thin so they can fit and not scratch the wheel

but if you want to do it then look for 13/16 inch I actually just found a real old 13/16 1/2 drive socket in my uncles lug nut breaker bar kit and it fits real good on 21 mm for me at least.

tekton makes 3/4 drive down to 19 mm and sells singles
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I use a 1/2 socket with 3/4 breaker bar on my truck sometimes. My 3/4 bar is about a foot longer than my 1/2 bar. It's not that the nuts are so tight that 1/2 won't handle it it's just much easier with the longer bar. With that said more often than not my 1/2 impact removes them just fine.

I'd echo suggestion above to find a 1" to 3/4 adapter though. Even if they make a 21" socket in 1" drive it may not even fit depending on wheel style.
 
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Use a 24-27" long 1/2" breaker bar, Ive got 15/16" lug nuts @ 140ft lbs easy.

I bought my breaker bar at auto zone or oreillys. Tractor supply has them too. Pick one and run it.
 
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mikey03 said:
Not trying to challenge you or nothing I hate it when people do that when you just want to buy a new tool but I’m actually curious here

what kind of 21 mm lug nuts are on so tight that a 1/2 drive breaker bar won’t take off? I never worked on huge trucks and I figured there lug nuts must be like 30 mm or bigger even.

is it just because you found the breaker bar cheap and want to use it for this? I found a cheap snap on 1/2 breaker bar and use that for lug nuts it was like 25 bucks nobody wants breaker bars anymore so you can get them cheap. And then use 1/2 drive sockets

i would think if anyone makes a 1 inch drive 21 mm that it would be so thick it might not fit a lugnut depending on the clearance around it. Lots of cars need low profile specialty sockets for lug nuts that are thin so they can fit and not scratch the wheel

but if you want to do it then look for 13/16 inch I actually just found a real old 13/16 1/2 drive socket in my uncles lug nut breaker bar kit and it fits real good on 21 mm for me at least.

i don’t think anyone going to make a 1” drive 21 mm socket because 1” is 25 mm so you’d be tapering down alot. The ones i seen start at like 30 tbh
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That’s a totally fair question. To answer, there’s nothing my current 25” long 1/2” drive breaker can’t manage when taking the lugs offs. I had a couple where the studs got all janky and the nuts were almost cutting new threads, but I replaced those studs and all the remaining ones aren’t an issue.

Basically I find my current bar is pretty flexy and torquing down enough combined with having to bend over to reach it hurts my back. Since the last few times I took the wheels off I was also crawling around under it doing stuff my back was already in a pretty fragile state. I was just going to get a longer 1/2” but then I saw this old Proto cheap. It’s made in the US and a freaking monster and honestly I just thought it was cool. It’s only a couple inches longer so there’ll still be some bending over to reef on it but based on the fact it’s wayyyyyyy thicker in the shaft I’m hoping the flex will be minimized.

I used a 13/16 last time but it seemed to start to try to round off the corners a bit. This is a base model 2006 Scion with the stock steel wheels so no worries about access.
 
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GX460DIYguy said:
If it’s only 21mm lug nuts I’d go 1/2” drive.
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GirlnAgarage said:
Use a 24-27" long 1/2" breaker bar, Ive got 15/16" lug nuts @ 140ft lbs easy.

I bought my breaker bar at auto zone or oreillys. Tractor supply has them too. Pick one and run it.
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I have a 1/2” drive I’ve been using. I originally was just looking for a longer and sturdy version but I came across this relatively cheaply and went with it. I know that practically it’ll only be a small step up but I still think it’ll be fun to use.
 
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Balog said:
I have a 1/2” drive I’ve been using. I originally was just looking for a longer and sturdy version but I came across this relatively cheaply and went with it. I know that practically it’ll only be a small step up but I still think it’ll be fun to use.
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Can’t blame you. I think a lot of us here get new stuff sometimes just for fun factor. Reducers are gonna likely be the only real option since I’m guessing the lugs are on passenger vehicles and are inset. The thinness needed for the socket wall is gonna be hard to find above 1/2” drive.
 
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Balog said:
I used a 13/16 last time but it seemed to start to try to round off the corners a bit. This is a base model 2006 Scion with the stock steel wheels so no worries about access.
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13/16 inch is 20.63 mm I just did the maths so if it’s rounding the corners of a 21 mm lugnut then maybe it’s a cheap socket with bad tolerance tbh

i did the math on 7/16 is 11.1 mm and my snap on 11 socket won’t fit on a 7/16 base metric thread restore tool. And that’s 0.1 mm too small and it won’t fit because snap on got real tight tolerances. If your 13/16 which is supposed to be 0.4 mm too small is actually too big then that’s a cheap socket man

anyway the point isn’t to use 13/16 you should be using 21 just saying if your struggling to find a 21 maybe you can find a 13/16 and maybe it will work. I only thought of it because I found the 13/16 socket on a bar meant for use in a car with 21 mm lug nuts and I tested it and it fit great
 
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GX460DIYguy said:
Can’t blame you. I think a lot of us here get new stuff sometimes just for fun factor. Reducers are gonna likely be the only real option since I’m guessing the lugs are on passenger vehicles and are inset. The thinness needed for the socket wall is gonna be hard to find above 1/2” drive.
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Thankfully the lugs are clear and proud on the cheap steel factory wheels of mid 2000’s Toyotas lol.
 
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mikey03 said:
13/16 inch is 20.63 mm I just did the maths so if it’s rounding the corners of a 21 mm lugnut then maybe it’s a cheap socket with bad tolerance tbh

i did the math on 7/16 is 11.1 mm and my snap on 11 socket won’t fit on a 7/16 base metric thread restore tool. And that’s 0.1 mm too small and it won’t fit because snap on got real tight tolerances. If your 13/16 which is supposed to be 0.4 mm too small is actually too big then that’s a cheap socket man

anyway the point isn’t to use 13/16 you should be using 21 just saying if your struggling to find a 21 maybe you can find a 13/16 and maybe it will work. I only thought of it because I found the 13/16 socket on a bar meant for use in a car with 21 mm lug nuts and I tested it and it fit great
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It’s an old Craftsman and a 12 point (all I had in 1/2” 13/16) but I am absolutely open to the possibility it’s just crappy.
 
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My local Ace has an outdoor power equipment shop, and they have some big sockets.not sure about 1” drive, will look next time I’m there.
 
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If you have/use Amazon there are a bunch of options. I don't think I'd care much about brand in this case.
 
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Balog said:
Recently got a new breaker bar off eBay, thought I had a socket in 1” drive but it’s actually 3/4”. I’m just using it for lugnuts so I don’t need a whole set. I think both cars are 21mm, although I need to check the mini van (2006 Sienna).

Searching on eBay is a nightmare since I can’t easily filter for drive size and 1” is pretty uncommon. HF only sells sets, and don’t carry 1”. I don’t think Ace or HD or Lowe’s sell 1”.

So if you had to buy a 21mm 1” drive socket what kind would you get, and where would you buy it from?
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Home Depot sells them online.. if a shallow socket will do the job. An Amazon search has dozens of them to choose from.

Brand wouldn't matter to me, no way I'm breaking any of them by hand. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Balog said:
I have a 1/2” drive I’ve been using. I originally was just looking for a longer and sturdy version but I came across this relatively cheaply and went with it. I know that practically it’ll only be a small step up but I still think it’ll be fun to use.
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If access isn’t an issue, you can’t go wrong with Ozat for an impact socket. They run about $30 for an individual in 1” drive, but are USA made and damn near indestructible.

Ozat p/n 16M21
 
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Not sure how that would happen with a breaker bar.
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Crappy potmetal from random Amazon brands.

I broke a no-name socket once on it's first use, it did shatter and go flying and that was with a regular 1/4" ratchet. I would not want to repeat that experience with considerably more force and mass.
 
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mikey03 said:
Not trying to challenge you or nothing I hate it when people do that when you just want to buy a new tool but I’m actually curious here

what kind of 21 mm lug nuts are on so tight that a 1/2 drive breaker bar won’t take off? I never worked on huge trucks and I figured there lug nuts must be like 30 mm or bigger even.
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In my case, despite me warning the tire monkey at Discount about over doing it, they did. I bent a 3/4 breaker bar trying to get the lugs loose on the truck two days later. Second time I had bent a 3/4 bar in all the years I've done mechanical work.
 
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In my case, despite me warning the tire monkey at Discount about over doing it, they did. I bent a 3/4 breaker bar trying to get the lugs loose on the truck two days later. Second time I had bent a 3/4 bar in all the years I've done mechanical work.
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were they 21 mm or what size?

how did you finally get them off with a torch 😂
 
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Why would you buy a bunch of expensive 1" drive sockets when it would be cheaper to get a long 1/2" drive breaker bar and corresponding sockets. The only thing close to that I ever needed for lugs was a 13/16" square in 3/4 and 1" drive for semi trailer budd wheels
 
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were they 21 mm or what size?

how did you finally get them off with a torch 😂
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21mm....Finally got the last 9 off with a pencil grinder and diamond bit. Carved a slot parallel to the stud, then big cold chisel and hammer to open up the nut body a little. Spun them around and did a second cut and split them. Replaced all the lug nuts and a dozen studs.
 
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If you go with 13/16, which as pointed out, will fit 21mm typically, just a bit tighter, which is actually in your favor roundover-wise, you should be able to find a number of used ones on ebay of the Proto, Armstrong, Mac, Williams, Snap-on variety. But, if your cars have 2 pieces lug nuts, stick with a full 21mm as those tend to swell from corrosion or the outer cap rotates slightly on the steel nut underneath (manufacturers actually sell 1/2 size sockets to deal with those 2 piece abominations).
 
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Used to use lots of 1" drive sockets in 13/16 , 7/8 and 15/16 ........ track bolts .............very hard and really chew up sockets .......and there is lots of them ...320 in a pair of 40 pitch chains.
 
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How sturdy are the 1" -> 3/4" adapters? My experience with drive adapters is that they twist and snap very easily.
 
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Balog said:
So if you had to buy a 21mm 1” drive socket what kind would you get, and where would you buy it from?
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Honestly any brand that's made of steel. For a semi-name brand option, Sunex should fit the bill.

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MJD1 said:
Why would you buy a bunch of expensive 1" drive sockets when it would be cheaper to get a long 1/2" drive breaker bar and corresponding sockets. The only thing close to that I ever needed for lugs was a 13/16" square in 3/4 and 1" drive for semi trailer budd wheels
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I mean both the title and the body of the post explicitly state I’m planning to buy a single socket so… I wouldn’t?
 
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