What's the difference between the two compressors?

[SmogSUX]

I'm selling my 220V 60 gallon compressor since my new house doesn't have 220V in the garage and I don't have the money to wire it up.

I found a 120V from Harbor Freight that seems to have the best specifications I can find for a 120V. I noticed that there are two of the same compressor, so can someone help spot the differences and help me make a decision if one is better than the other?

http://www.harborfreight.com/29-gal-2-hp-150-psi-cast-iron-vertical-air-compressor-69865.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/29-gal-2-hp-150-psi-cast-iron-vertical-air-compressor-61489.html

They flow the same CFM and have the same tank size, but the dimensions are slightly different. Also one draws slightly more amperage. I also noticed that one has a CSA cert and the other an ETL, but I don't think that means anything...

Just trying to figure out what the best choice would be or even why they would carry two nearly identical compressors.

I'm waiting for the 25% off coupon to surface and then I'm going to bite on this.

 

[CobraChevelle]

I would buy the cheapest that will get you by until you can afford a 60gal

 

[Jazzman442]

Is 220v wiring and an outlet that expensive? I just had a new out let and wiring installed for my new oven I was converting from gas. For less than the compressor. Plus 220v will use half the energy to power it.

 

[creativecars]

The difference seems to be the way the tank is configured They put out the same amount of air so that indicates they are probably the same pump and motor. HF will do that sometimes, you really have to watch what you are buying.

 

[gungatim]

For $350, I would buy the wire, outlet, and breaker and keep your original compressor before I would downgrade to a smaller HF unit...I spent <$300 wiring my entire shop including the feed from the house. even if you aren't comfortable doing it yourself, you could probably find an electrician on CL willing do do a side job I would think...

 

[SmogSUX]

At my current house the washer and drier are upstairs, so the 220V wiring would have quite a ways to go. I would also need a new box. I think the cost would be nearing $1,000.

 

[jkwilson]

Is 220v wiring and an outlet that expensive? I just had a new out let and wiring installed for my new oven I was converting from gas. For less than the compressor. Plus 220v will use half the energy to power it.

Energy is the same on 240 or 120. Current is halved, but power is voltageXcurrent so the power used stays the same.

 

[SmogSUX]

My electrical panel is by the garage, so my electrician friend said it would probably run me $500 if it's fairly easy to do. Then I'd have to pay $90 for a permit from the city. This is a "starter" house for me and my garage is only 20'x20', so I figure my next house in 5 years or so will be a 3 car garage and I'll have more money to modify the house to my liking.

EDIT: I've got a buyer lined up for my compressor @$400, so with a 25% off coupon I'd come out with a little positive cash flow rather than spending another $500+

 

[creativecars]

My electrical panel is by the garage, so my electrician friend said it would probably run me $500 if it's fairly easy to do. Then I'd have to pay $90 for a permit from the city. This is a "starter" house for me and my garage is only 20'x20', so I figure my next house in 5 years or so will be a 3 car garage and I'll have more money to modify the house to my liking.

EDIT: I've got a buyer lined up for my compressor @$400, so with a 25% off coupon I'd come out with a little positive cash flow rather than spending another $500+

I assume he is not a close friend...

 

[SmogSUX]

I assume he is not a close friend...

Geographically he's not close haha.

 

[Sticks McGee]

You have no electrical panel inside the garage? Wiring a 220 outlet is pretty simple actually..

 

[SmogSUX]

It's on the outside. House was built in 2005. Inside the garage I've got a nice water valve panel though.

 

[rlitman]

The manual on 69865 is copyright 2012.
The manual on 61489 is copyright 2013.

My guess is they changed to a different manufacturer, or perhaps one manufacturer couldn't supply enough for their needs, so they added a second. Most likely only one or the other will be available at all stores in your region.

 

[McLean]

I have no good feedback for your question. But I'm pretty sure that the HF 2X% coups are not valid on compressors.

and 120v compressors FTW!!

 

[SmogSUX]

I have no good feedback for your question. But I'm pretty sure that the HF 2X% coups are not valid on compressors.

and 120v compressors FTW!!

You're right damnit that would have been such a sweet deal!

 

[ichabod]

I would check your compressor motor and see if it dual voltage rated. if so, then find the REAL horse power rating. if its dual rated no big deal to convert 220 volt to 110.

 

[BigNuge]

I would check your compressor motor and see if it dual voltage rated. if so, then find the REAL horse power rating. if its dual rated no big deal to convert 220 volt to 110.

Careful with that though, the current draw will double! It is unlikely you'll be able to do 120 on a 60 gal compressor.

 

[SmogSUX]

http://yubasutter.craigslist.org/tls/4889694047.html

^My compressor. Doesn't look to be dual rated..

Man this kinda *****. I want to be able to run my DA intermittently and be able to spray small body panels intermittently as well.

 

[BigNuge]

http://yubasutter.craigslist.org/tls/4889694047.html

^My compressor. Doesn't look to be dual rated..

Man this kinda *****. I want to be able to run my DA intermittently and be able to spray small body panels intermittently as well.

Should have kept that 60 gallon. Adding a 220v circuit to the garage (especially when the panel is hanging on the garage) would not have been bad.

I am pulling a whole new 60 AMP 220v feeder 75' (underground) from my house to the barn, mounting a whole new sub panel, then running to my 80 gallon compressor. I'll have <$400 into that portion of the project.

 

[firebox40dash5]

Do you have 2 adjacent, open spots in the panel, and how close is the panel to where you want the compressor? If you have the slots and you can do it with 25' of romex (or even 50' for that matter, which I'm sure you could) adding a 220V circuit is silly simple and easy, man... Figure ~$20 for the breaker, $30-40 for a roll of 10/2 romex, and $30 for the outlet stuff, if you don't just hardwire... I'd install that for $30 worth of beer, but I also don't have any certs.

 

[SmogSUX]

I've still got the compressor. Told the guy I'd sell it to him Sunday, but until then I can deliberate...Here's a picture of a picture of my panel. I'll get a better picture after work. I don't think there's any open spots. This is the outside wall to the garage. If it ended up being a lot cheaper/easier I would put the compressor literally on the other side of this wall, which just has unfinished sheetrock covering it.

EDIT: Is it really a big deal if I do this myself without a permit? Like if I sell the house 5 years from now it's not gong to bite me in the *** right? (Assuming I do it right)

 

[redmondjp]

I've still got the compressor. Told the guy I'd sell it to him Sunday, but until then I can deliberate...Here's a picture of a picture of my panel. I'll get a better picture after work. I don't think there's any open spots. This is the outside wall to the garage. If it ended up being a lot cheaper/easier I would put the compressor literally on the other side of this wall, which just has unfinished sheetrock covering it.

EDIT: Is it really a big deal if I do this myself without a permit? Like if I sell the house 5 years from now it's not gong to bite me in the *** right? (Assuming I do it right)

It appears that you have two empty adjacent breaker spaces right at the top. It's not at all hard to add a 2-pole circuit breaker and wire a piece of 10-gauge romex through the back of the panel into a junction box for the compressor. Plenty of information online to show you exactly how to do it.

If it makes you sleep better at night, get a permit and then do the work yourself. Treat the inspector nice, and if he finds anything wrong he will let you know and you can fix it.

 

[CNGsaves]

Dude, you sure you're not on crack ??

You're thinking about SELLING a perfectly working 5 HP 60 gal . . .
. . . . . . SO . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . you can buy 120v compressor from Harbor Freight ???

No, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO !!!

Go buy couple cases of beer and pizza/breadsticks and you might just convince a fellow GJer to come do your electrical !!!

Update your GJ Profile with City/State/Country and post up pics of electric panel & compressor.

 

[gungatim]

you could do it yourself, then pull it back out if/when you sell...I did the same on my starter home...new owner had no interest so I pulled the wire box and all...

 

[SmogSUX]

You guys have convinced me...that and my electrical buddy who saw the pictures of my panel. I've put down the crack pipe and I'm keeping the massive 60 gallon and going 220

 

[akaodie]

Good choice! Downgrading tools will always come back to bite you in the A$$!