Which impact wrench from sears?

[Flatsbroke]

I have $90 left on a sears gift card once I buy the gear wrench ratchet wrench set. I want to get an impact wrench for my new compressor which supplies 5.3cfm @90psi. I'm only a weekend warrior so I don't need anything over the top. I'm thinking about this one:

http://m.sears.com/ingersoll-rand-1-2-in-impact-wrench-with-twin/p-00918874000P

Thoughts?

 

[J.A.Varela]

You know what they say about opinions
Weekend warriors don't need impact guns.You gonna pull the wheels off your car every Saturday Buy a breaker bar and a 3/8" air ratchet.

 

[Flatsbroke]

Or the fact I have an old hobby ford 7.3 and work on my boat trailers and am about to buy an old cj7 to fix up....

I'll figure out how to spend my money. Thanks

 

[Cato]

I'll figure out how to spend my money. Thanks

 

[franzdom]

Or the fact I have an old hobby ford 7.3 and work on my boat trailers and am about to buy an old cj7 to fix up....

I'll figure out how to spend my money. Thanks

 

[Stooge]

I have an import 231c that sees plenty of use on old and rusty stuff and hasnt let me down yet in the years that ive had it. Maybe not the nicest gun ive used but gets the job done .im Not a tech but more than a weekend warrior..
Buy it, you'll get your moneys worth out of it

 

[jim1987]

What he said. Ingersoll rand 231. Probably have to put $60 with it though.

 

[rice rocket]

If you're buying an impact wrench, it's to remove stuff you wouldn't normally be able to remove with hand tools. There's no worse feeling in the world than hammering the snot out of a bolt/nut with an impact and it not budging.

If you're getting one, get the baddest gun you can afford. Hopefully the 2135TiMAX comes down some now that the 2235 is on it's way to the market.

 

[shampoop]

If you already have a compressor, a 1/2" impact is a great investment. Even a cheap one. Makes life a lot faster/easier and there are some things you just can't do without them. IR's are great if you can afford one.

 

[redwrench60]

Go check your local store. My Sears has Ingersoll 2135timax impacts on clearance new for $191. I'll post a pic when my internet comes back on. (I'm on my phone)

 

[rice rocket]

If you already have a compressor, a 1/2" impact is a great investment. Even a cheap one. Makes life a lot faster/easier and there are some things you just can't do without them. IR's are great if you can afford one.

My first gun was a Campbell Hausefeld 450 ft-lb gun in one of those "homeowner kits". It was such a dog, was basically not even worth owning. Don't get a cheap gun, especially if you live in the rust belt, save yourself the stress.

IMHO.

 

[Flatsbroke]

So what's a "good" (I know it's all relative) ft-lb rating? The size of my compressor will have a lot to do with the size tool I can get

 

[CJM8515]

That size compressor ain't gonna make enough cfm to run one of the better guns all too good imho

 

[Farmall450]

Agreed^, you're limited by your compressor. They do make corded and cordless ones as well...however I doubt Sears will have what you need besides Pneumatic.

 

[shampoop]

My first gun was a Campbell Hausefeld 450 ft-lb gun in one of those "homeowner kits". It was such a dog, was basically not even worth owning. Don't get a cheap gun, especially if you live in the rust belt, save yourself the stress.

IMHO.

I should have been more clear, should have said "a cheap ingersoll gun" as in you don't need a qtimax, just a standard gun. What size is the tank on the compressor? The CFM doesn't matter as much as tank size and pressure. Doesn't matter what pump you put on a pancake compressor it's not gonna work out.

Something like was said before the IR 231C
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002SRM3I/?tag=atomicindus08-20

$115

 

[bcradio]

I'd say avoid cordless unless you need the portability. 2135 is nice if you can swing it.

 

[zkling]

Personally I'd try to find something else to spend your money on at sears and then look used IR or hop over to harbor freight and pick up one of their earthquake guns for ~$70.

What size is the tank on the compressor? The CFM doesn't matter as much as tank size and pressure. Doesn't matter what pump you put on a pancake compressor it's not gonna work out.

False. The tank is just a buffer for duty cycle. I could put my quincy 270 on a pancake tank and run any 1/2" impact out there no problem. Just like putting a pancake pump on a 120gal tank, it may run OK for a few minutes, but you will have to let the compressor catch up.

 

[redwrench60]

Go to Sears and get this one. IR 2135timax.

 

[rice rocket]

Agreed^, you're limited by your compressor. They do make corded and cordless ones as well...however I doubt Sears will have what you need besides Pneumatic.

Unless you have a tiny-*** tank, CFM doesn't really mean that much for impacts. For like air sanders and paint guns where you're pushing air constantly, sure, but what's your duty cycle for an impact over a minute? 2%? 5%?

I ran an 3/4" impact off a portable pancake compressor in a pinch and it was rated at 2 cfm @ 90 psi. Not recommended of course, but it worked okay.

Go to Sears and get this one. IR 2135timax.

 

[Farmall450]

Unless you have a tiny-*** tank, CFM doesn't really mean that much for impacts. For like air sanders and paint guns where you're pushing air constantly, sure, but what's your duty cycle for an impact over a minute? 2%? 5%?

I ran an 3/4" impact off a portable pancake compressor in a pinch and it was rated at 2 cfm @ 90 psi. Not recommended of course, but it worked okay.

Well, if you go around a truck that is 8 bolt, and has 4 wheels, that's 32 bolts, and if it takes 5 seconds each, that's ~ 2.67 minutes @ up to 4CFM...that's over 10 cubic feet of air. (1 Cubic foot is 7.48 gallons IIRC)

 

[rice rocket]

Well, if you go around a truck that is 8 bolt, and has 4 wheels, that's 32 bolts, and if it takes 5 seconds each, that's ~ 2.67 minutes @ up to 4CFM...that's over 10 cubic feet of air. (1 Cubic foot is 7.48 gallons IIRC)

Yeah, it's not that simple.

What's 20 gal @ 130 psi when you regulate it at 90 psi?

You're also skipping the time it takes to walk around the whole truck. And if you're spending 5 seconds impacting each, you bought the wrong impact. Butstill. Add in the time walking around the truck and dragging around your air hose and you drop your duty cycle and air requirements in half.

If you're driving a foot long 3/4" inch lag with this gun, then yeah, SCFM might matter. Not for wrenching though.

 

[pipsters]

I have $90 left on a sears gift card once I buy the gear wrench ratchet wrench set. I want to get an impact wrench for my new compressor which supplies 5.3cfm @90psi. I'm only a weekend warrior so I don't need anything over the top. I'm thinking about this one:

http://m.sears.com/ingersoll-rand-1-2-in-impact-wrench-with-twin/p-00918874000P

Thoughts?

Unless you absolutely have to spend that money on an impact right now at Sears, I would recommend going to Harbor Freight and picking up the Earthquake 1/2" impact.

It's $79.99 right now with coupon on the front page of their web site

http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-...zIjoiNzkuOTkiLCJwcm9kdWN0X2lk IjoiODM4MiJ9

I had a $300 IR 2135qtimax, and the Earthquake put the IR to shame. I also tested a IR 2135timax (no muffler) and the Earthquake smoked it as well.

It's much more powerful than the more expensive IR's and only weighs a bit more, great for the guy working in his garage.

Use 3/8" hose and high flow 1/4" connectors and you'll never struggle getting bolts off with that gun.

There are most likely other things that can be bought at Sears using that money, but spending more on an inferior impact shouldn't be one of them.

 

[Tarheelgarage]

This Sears professtional is a rebranded IR2131 with a lot of balls.

It goes on sale every couple of months for around $115.

One of the guys in the shop has had one about 2 years and it is daym good...


http://www.sears.com/craftsman-prof...p-00919905000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

 

[Farmall450]

Yeah, it's not that simple.

What's 20 gal @ 130 psi when you regulate it at 90 psi?

You're also skipping the time it takes to walk around the whole truck. And if you're spending 5 seconds impacting each, you bought the wrong impact. Butstill. Add in the time walking around the truck and dragging around your air hose and you drop your duty cycle and air requirements in half.

If you're driving a foot long 3/4" inch lag with this gun, then yeah, SCFM might matter. Not for wrenching though.

How long does it take you to walk around a truck?
And we've gotta remember 90 psi @ the gun.

 

[shampoop]

False. The tank is just a buffer for duty cycle. I could put my quincy 270 on a pancake tank and run any 1/2" impact out there no problem. Just like putting a pancake pump on a 120gal tank, it may run OK for a few minutes, but you will have to let the compressor catch up.

What's 20 gal @ 130 psi when you regulate it at 90 psi?

This makes sense from a typical naive hobbyist. All that matters with air impacts is what kind of flow/psi is making it to your gun under load for the first few hammer impacts (one second). CFM ratings are only important for continuous use air hogs like die grinders, sanders, saws and drills.

NOBODY who knows what they're doing regulates their air impacts to 90psi. What you want is at LEAST 90psi with sufficient flow (volume) through the gun while in use and impacting (ever notice when you pull the trigger, the pressure needle makes a huge drop on the tank?). Just the way things work that means that you need 120+ psi at the tank to actually receive that 90+psi at the gun while holding down the trigger.

What it means is if your system has good flow, and you have a small tank that maxes at 120psi is that after the first time you touch the trigger, you are below max power. Untill you drop the pressure to something like 90psi where you are at 75% power till the motor kicks back on to take you back to full power at 120psi tank pressure.

Quite the opposite with a die grinder, you really don't need much pressure, but you consume such a large volume of air during the extended use that your compressor will be kicking on all the time. Depending on how many minutes you use the tool continuously even a very large tank will get depleted on any 120v compressor because the max CFM of a 120v compressor is pretty low.

 

[shampoop]

Go to Sears and get this one. IR 2135timax.

I've got one and love it, but would never recommend a hobbyist to get one unless they have VERY deep pockets. Not worth it at all.

 

[J.A.Varela]

Or the fact I have an old hobby ford 7.3 and work on my boat trailers and am about to buy an old cj7 to fix up....

I'll figure out how to spend my money. Thanks

Well. You didn't elaborate in the initial post.
That's why I made the "opinions" statement.
Had you stated what I just quoted from your reply, perhaps my opinion would be entirely different.
How many times do you need to work on a boat trailer and how many times do you plan on snatching the wheels off a P.O.S Jeep Heap ?
I'll still stand by my reply......UNLESS you have 15 boat trailers
Don't request an opinion unless you want one.

 

[redwrench60]

I've got one and love it, but would never recommend a hobbyist to get one unless they have VERY deep pockets. Not worth it at all.

Lol, did you see the price on that? That's the best I've seen in a store. Under $200 for a super premium pro quality impact? I thought it was pretty good.

 

[AndrewV]

This is a loaded question OP. Though unentional.
You're compressor doesn't have the balls for a higher flowing impact, of long use. Though you can run most air rats., with no real issue.
But as far as brand/model, it's all "to each, his own" really.
IR is king really, if you can get the solid metal cased 1/2" shown in previous post you'll be great. You don't seem to need a ball buster, so a C-Man pro would work to.

Now where's the guy that said go to HF

 

[Marlin]

Your initial choice is the way to go. Get the 231C, for the hobbyist it will last you forever and someday your kid will be using it. Respectable power and great durability at a very reasonable price.

 

[shampoop]

Lol, did you see the price on that? That's the best I've seen in a store. Under $200 for a super premium pro quality impact? I thought it was pretty good.

Where is it under $200? Lowest google shows is $230 which is double the cost of the very capable 231c.

For the pro, the extra price is worth the reduced weight all day, the nicer feather light trigger, the nicer reverse lever/speed controls. When you're using a tool for work 8+ hours a day you get a lot pickier. Says a lot about the 231C though when that's what company supplied tire shops purchase for their employees. That they're powerfull, durable, and cheap enough to completely justify buying for people who don't give a **** about them and won't oil them, will drop them on the ground, use them as hammers, etc.

 

[redwrench60]

Where is it under $200? Lowest google shows is $230 which is double the cost of the very capable 231c..

Look at post 18. I posted a pic that I took at Sears yesterday myself! That's why I posted it. Best price I've seen.

 

[burke753]

Your initial choice is the way to go. Get the 231C, for the hobbyist it will last you forever and someday your kid will be using it. Respectable power and great durability at a very reasonable price.

My agree with this fully. I worked at a tire shop through college and they supplied us with those 231's. They got thrown, tossed dropped, run over. Never oiled or greased and never gave up. For the price you can never go wrong with an IR of any kind.

There's a reason my power tool drawer is filled with IR tools. My first impact was also a craftsman pro. It had 100 more ft. Lbs than the 231c but nowhere near as reliable. Only lasted a year and a half and was well taken care of. Got it fixed and is a backup to my 2135timax if I ever have an issue. But it's twice the price of the 231c I recommend going with the 231 and you'll never regret it.


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[tonyx]

Unless you absolutely have to spend that money on an impact right now at Sears, I would recommend going to Harbor Freight and picking up the Earthquake 1/2" impact.

It's $79.99 right now with coupon on the front page of their web site

http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-...zIjoiNzkuOTkiLCJwcm9kdWN0X2lk IjoiODM4MiJ9

I had a $300 IR 2135qtimax, and the Earthquake put the IR to shame. I also tested a IR 2135timax (no muffler) and the Earthquake smoked it as well.

It's much more powerful than the more expensive IR's and only weighs a bit more, great for the guy working in his garage.

Use 3/8" hose and high flow 1/4" connectors and you'll never struggle getting bolts off with that gun.

There are most likely other things that can be bought at Sears using that money, but spending more on an inferior impact shouldn't be one of them.

I second this recommendation. I have both the IR231 and the Earthquake and can tell you from experience the Earthquake is more powerful. IR231 stays in the box these days.

Highly recommend that you only use 3/8" lines and quick connects. You won't know the power without free flowing air through the air lines. Do not use 1/4" connectors.

 

[shampoop]

Look at post 18. I posted a pic that I took at Sears yesterday myself! That's why I posted it. Best price I've seen.

Damn, that's a steal! They have the quiet model too?

 

[redwrench60]

Damn, that's a steal! They have the quiet model too?

Yeah, I thought it was pretty dang good too. I guess they should also have the quiet one also huh. I didn't see it out though. I wonder if other Sears are doing this too?

 

[zkling]

Yeah, it's not that simple.

What's 20 gal @ 130 psi when you regulate it at 90 psi?

It really is just basic thermo though, 26.7 gal, assuming process is adiabatic. CFM is a mass flow rate and that mass impacting the vanes is what produces the hammering torque in the impact.

This makes sense from a typical naive hobbyist. All that matters with air impacts is what kind of flow/psi is making it to your gun under load for the first few hammer impacts (one second). CFM ratings are only important for continuous use air hogs like die grinders, sanders, saws and drills.

NOBODY who knows what they're doing regulates their air impacts to 90psi. What you want is at LEAST 90psi with sufficient flow (volume) through the gun while in use and impacting (ever notice when you pull the trigger, the pressure needle makes a huge drop on the tank?). Just the way things work that means that you need 120+ psi at the tank to actually receive that 90+psi at the gun while holding down the trigger.

What it means is if your system has good flow, and you have a small tank that maxes at 120psi is that after the first time you touch the trigger, you are below max power. Untill you drop the pressure to something like 90psi where you are at 75% power till the motor kicks back on to take you back to full power at 120psi tank pressure.

Quite the opposite with a die grinder, you really don't need much pressure, but you consume such a large volume of air during the extended use that your compressor will be kicking on all the time. Depending on how many minutes you use the tool continuously even a very large tank will get depleted on any 120v compressor because the max CFM of a 120v compressor is pretty low.

Static pressure vs dynamic pressure. This has been beaten to death so many times on here and it gets old because many folks choose not to take a scientific, numbers based approach to it.

 

[shampoop]

Yeah, I thought it was pretty dang good too. I guess they should also have the quiet one also huh. I didn't see it out though. I wonder if other Sears are doing this too?

I've got quiet impacts and love them. Would NEVER go back to a loud one.

 

[Mopar-Scooby-Doo]

I say the one you posted is a good choice. I bought an older version at a yard sale for $10. Had to rebuild it. After that it kicks a$$ now.

 

[DodgeMech]

the 231 has been in use by pros in tire shops and other places for decades now, and i wouldn't be surprised if some have never been rebuilt or even oiled haha...

for a normal dude in the garage you don't need the damned TiMax, just get the 231 and use the **** out of it and then when your oldest son moves out he can take it with him and then pass it on to your grand kid, etc...