bmwrd0
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I know I have seen the head of this speeder before, but I cannot place it:
Who made me?
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Private Lugnutz
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Bog? Maybe not. Slightly different shape. Nice find, Beemer.
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Firebrick43
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Your mother and the milk man?
HalfTonTom
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It looks kinda like a European tow hitch.
thingfixer
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Someone who's long-since shuffled off this mortal coil judging by its apparent age, may God rest him
RTM
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Dave
Shaped like none I've seen before
Shaped like none I've seen before
Statistically, probably early P&C though I do have a couple of examples like that from other companies.I know I have seen the head of this speeder before, but I cannot place it:
four.cycle
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Like this?
Yes, but the diamond had 4 sidesLike this?
four.cycle
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Truth
You need to break open your piggy bank and go back and buy that set.
Truth / Truth Tool Co., Mankato, MN / originally Cowden Truth Tool Co. / acquired by OTC 1950 / patent 1498712 Jun 24 1924 & 1498713 Jun 24 1924 Percy York / http://alloy-artifacts.org/truth-tool.html / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/to-tell-the-truth-show-us-your-truth-tools.385242/ / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/truth-tools-anyone-own-them.48278/ /
You need to break open your piggy bank and go back and buy that set.
Truth / Truth Tool Co., Mankato, MN / originally Cowden Truth Tool Co. / acquired by OTC 1950 / patent 1498712 Jun 24 1924 & 1498713 Jun 24 1924 Percy York / http://alloy-artifacts.org/truth-tool.html / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/to-tell-the-truth-show-us-your-truth-tools.385242/ / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/truth-tools-anyone-own-them.48278/ /
I'm not finding where that symbol is Truth?
four.cycle
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Truth Ford 9/16" one-man wrench (Leviton 01)
Other than stamped on that lone specimen of @Leviton's above, I am not finding it anywhere either. Not on Alloy-Artifacts.org, not in any of the five Truth catalogs I just flipped through that are available at ITCL either.
So unless OTG or another member can come up with a specimen with that logo stamped on it, we're taking it on faith I guess.
(I did find a new manufacturer to add to the list and a new patent, so it wasn't a complete waste of time.)
Yea, I could find nothing either and every Truth tool I have seen or could find actually said Truth on it. Truth sockets look nothing like the sockets on the tools "Diamond T" tools I saw today. The looked like very early P&C sockets, bell shaped under the drive end and rounded taper all the way to the broached end that is very thin.
Truth Ford 9/16" one-man wrench (Leviton 01)
Other than stamped on that lone specimen of @Leviton's above, I am not finding it anywhere either. Not on Alloy-Artifacts.org, not in any of the five Truth catalogs I just flipped through that are available at ITCL either.
So unless OTG or another member can come up with a specimen with that logo stamped on it, we're taking it on faith I guess.
(I did find a new manufacturer to add to the list and a new patent, so it wasn't a complete waste of time.)
The P&C “one man” box Ford crank case wrench is a better match.
Truth Ford 9/16" one-man wrench (Leviton 01)
Other than stamped on that lone specimen of @Leviton's above, I am not finding it anywhere either. Not on Alloy-Artifacts.org, not in any of the five Truth catalogs I just flipped through that are available at ITCL either.
So unless OTG or another member can come up with a specimen with that logo stamped on it, we're taking it on faith I guess.
(I did find a new manufacturer to add to the list and a new patent, so it wasn't a complete waste of time.)
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four.cycle
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never. I don't use AI and have absolutely no use for it. it doesn't belong in the tool world.
I'm flummoxed.
only thing I can suggest is hope that OTG or another member might come up with a specimen with that mark on it who can confirm the maker.
It would appear that Truth made a similar device:MR.X said:
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Lassen Forge
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Worth their weight in unobtanium if you need one - The picture explains it well - it holds (and braces) the top (or bottom) of a Model T Block to Pan bolt while tightening up it's counterpart on the opposite side. There's also a pair (L&R) of "splash shields" that is held by these same bolts between the frame and motor, so unless you have 5 foot long double jointed arms, or a trusty shop rat at your beck and call, it's about the only way you can tighten these bolts up. A LOT of T's still out there don't have those shields as without this tool, putting it all back together is nigh impossible, and it's actually critical for directing cooling air through the radiator and out the hood louvers.
Sorry, I know, way too much detail... it's 10:15, and here's your watch I built you! I just get excited when I see something like this pop up. There's a whole sub-addiction of collecting all these specialized Model T tools, from these to the "3z-" and "5z-" factory tools...
Sorry, I know, way too much detail... it's 10:15, and here's your watch I built you! I just get excited when I see something like this pop up. There's a whole sub-addiction of collecting all these specialized Model T tools, from these to the "3z-" and "5z-" factory tools...
3baygarage
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This thread is like Deja<VU>
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...is-tool-and-or-its-logo.525200/#post-10422478
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...is-tool-and-or-its-logo.525200/#post-10422478
four.cycle
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I emailed an inquiry out. Maybe one of the experts knows the answer.
Almost every thread is Deja Vu. BTW, I posted a T diamond ratchet in the P&C or Thorsen thread when I did a little ratchet evolution layout awhile back. I wondered if anyone would catch it and maybe have a question.
Any chance you can find that pic of the ratchet?
Well yeah, I assume that publicly available catalog entry or one like it and the "T" stamp in question was behind the tentative "Truth" identification you linked to in the first place.
Yeah, I should have added P&C's first pre Plomb open gear to this pic but....I didn't....yet.
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I know that, I couldnt find the poke in the eye emoji!
four.cycle
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oh my.
so... possibly Thorsen?
(AA does not think that @Leviton's specimen above was made by "Truth Tools")
To be very clear, I never ever claimed this was a TRUTH wrench. I posted it in hopes of determining the manufacturer.
Truth Ford 9/16" one-man wrench (Leviton 01)
Other than stamped on that lone specimen of @Leviton's above, I am not finding it anywhere either. Not on Alloy-Artifacts.org, not in any of the five Truth catalogs I just flipped through that are available at ITCL either.
So unless OTG or another member can come up with a specimen with that logo stamped on it, we're taking it on faith I guess.
(I did find a new manufacturer to add to the list and a new patent, so it wasn't a complete waste of time.)
Can you ID this tool and/or its logo?
four.cycle
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^ I understood that, @Leviton - I am baffled on this one.
Perhaps if @Snaparxon can get photo images of the pieces he's referring to we might be able to make sense of this.
Still waiting for another opinion.
It would not be the first mistake I've made this week.
Perhaps if @Snaparxon can get photo images of the pieces he's referring to we might be able to make sense of this.
Still waiting for another opinion.
It would not be the first mistake I've made this week.
No mistakes made that I see @four.cycle!
Has anyone tried that google books search thing to find a image? Are "Diamond T" marked tools possible late 20's - early 30's manufactured tools?
I'm making a plan to get back to buy the "Diamond T " tools but it is going to take me a bit, not a hop, skip and a jump to go get to them.
RTM
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Since most trade magazines would not refer to "t in a diamond" trademarks in text, I fear not. I try to look for the logo in ads when doing vintage Google books searches.
The "t in a diamond" is more likely to be referred to in modern collector guides.
They are undoubtedly late 20’s, early 30’s and I’d say leaning towards the former.
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Question or quiz?
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I think I lost track here
In this pic the rounder top one is an early P&C the lower one is a mid 30’s Thorsen. So I should probably dig out more examples but…
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That P&C has sharp looking knurling.
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My old p&c looks like the rounder one