Who's seen this S-K Rachet Selector Before?

[oak_park]

Who's seen this S-K selector Before?

I noticed it on ebay, it got scouped up quick. Hopefully it was a GJ member who can give us more details.

 

[Sam'sAutoParts]

I have not seen that before very interesting

 

[CNGsaves]

I like it . . . . BUT . . .why is selector old & beat up, while ratchet body perfect ??

I'm smelling a "modified" setup to create something unique.

 

[twertsy]

While it's tough to see the selector, the raised "selector bed" looks an awful lot like the drawing for this patent. Perhaps Chopper will weigh in with his S-K collection, if anyone has seen it it would be him.

 

[Fedwrench]

I've never seen it before but, then I've never seen an SK Ratchet with PAT PEND stamped on the handle either.

 

[popparoach]

Is it quick release?

 

[twertsy]

I've never seen it before but, then I've never seen an SK Ratchet with PAT PEND stamped on the handle either.

There's plenty of those Pat Pend out there, I have a bunch on the tool archives..........

 

[Hootbro]

Looks like a tool & die maker machinist one-off project.

 

[SMKS]

I like it . . . . BUT . . .why is selector old & beat up, while ratchet body perfect ??

I'm smelling a "modified" setup to create something unique.

The selector doesn't look beat up, it's just finished differently. It's not polished and chromed like the handle.

Also, the handle has the old diamond SK logo, so that's an old handle, too.

The shape of the mechanism in the patent drawing sure does look similar to the shape of the ratchet in the OP. We'd have to open it up to know for sure, but that looks like the answer to me.

There are still some old, weird, vintage SK ratchets floating around. They sometimes used the same part number as the "normal" SK ratchets, too.

Check out this weird one over on GG:
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=22270.msg289092#msg289092

 

[twertsy]

The selector doesn't look beat up, it's just finished differently. It's not polished and chromed like the handle.

Also, the handle has the old diamond SK logo, so that's an old handle, too.

The shape of the mechanism in the patent drawing sure does look similar to the shape of the ratchet in the OP. We'd have to open it up to know for sure, but that looks like the answer to me.

There are still some old, weird, vintage SK ratchets floating around. They sometimes used the same part number as the "normal" SK ratchets, too.

Check out this weird one over on GG:
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=22270.msg289092#msg289092

That link is indeed a very cool ratchet, which I now happen to be the caretaker of. Cleaned up and lubed, she works perfectly.

 

[shoggoth80]

Neat.

 

[bonneyman]

Nope - never seen one like that before on an SK.

The close-ups reveal it to be finely machined. So it's not a hack job. Someone who knew what they were doing did this mod/adaptation.

 

[XxToolAholicxX]

Not me... Sure is unique...

 

[woody 73]

Could be six of one half dozen of the other; new sk design that never made it to production, shop made on some ones lunch break, some one just switched parts etc.

Still a cool looking ratchet that I have not seen before.

 

[bonneyman]

The more I look at it, the more it appears that the selector center portion is a "standard" selector cut down, and then the outer "ring" structure was added. Very finely machined.

Perhaps it was done on site for an application where the full standard selector caused unintended reverses, and the user came up with a mod to "shrink" that down to reduce the problem but leave enough to still switch it?

 

[defektes]

Very cool and in great shape. Never seen that before.

 

[ganymede]

It's a ratchet that was patented and produced but not for very long.
Patent is 2103556.
One was posted here years ago but I can't find the thread.

 

[sk farmer]

i have one similar but the finish is bad. mine may have been cadmium.

i would put money on it being authentic.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

The more I look at it, the more it appears that the selector center portion is a "standard" selector cut down, and then the outer "ring" structure was added. Very finely machined.

Actually that looks like a 1/4" drive selector with an adapter to fit into a 3/8" ratchet.

 

[ajchien]

It's a ratchet that was patented and produced but not for very long.
Patent is 2103556.
One was posted here years ago but I can't find the thread.

Hey! There's a second one!

This was an SK I posted a few years ago.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121060

So, not unique! I thought mine was a "retrofit" of some kind, but you showing a second one suggests to me that it's original. Mine is so much more cosmetically beat up that the one the OP posted. Works just fine though, very smooth with little back drag.

Funny, I just used this ratchet a week ago during a transmission mount change out.

 

[3baygarage]

"Doctor, what is this strange object?"

''I don't know. Some type of pod. Let's cut it open and find out what's inside."

"Okay."

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Snip Snip Snip....

"Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! It's an abomination!!!!!! Quick, log into the Garage Journal and try to find out what you can about this thing!"

"Okay,okay. I'm asking them right now." "Hey what's better guys, Snap On or Harbor Freigh....."

"No you fool! Hurry! And tell them it's not nearly as ugly as a Frankenstein ratchet with that knobby head only it's engineer could love!"

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"Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! It's too late." It has a patent pending. And a part number. And they gave it a snap ring. Ahhhhhhhhh! I'd say it's alive but it's not alive. That was the Frankenstein ratchet!



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[Sam'sAutoParts]

Congrats on that buy 3bay

 

[3baygarage]

Thanks Sam. Just a little tool humor for you guys.

OAK I couldn't believe when I saw this thread yesterday. And thanks for uploading the pics, they are better than any I could take.

 

[3baygarage]

Ajchien-It's awesome that you own one of these too! Never saw your thread before but why it got overlooked in the first place I don't know. I saw another sell online last year but did not bid. When I saw how nice this one was I jumped on it. The action is crisp too.

 

[Sam'sAutoParts]

Any chance of seeing the inside??

How many clicks?

Now I really want one, to bad the price is skyrocketing every time someone posts to this thread lol

 

[mark18mwm]

Here is a link to that patent, lots of info there. http://www.google.co.ug/patents/US2103556

 

[3baygarage]

Cool. Thanks for the link Mark, and Gany for posting that.

Sam I think it is 50 tooth but I will open it up and find out for sure when I get a chance.

Here, with that other style Twertsy picked up, which the guys were talking about. Not sure the tooth count on that, it needs some checking out.

 

[ajchien]

Ajchien-It's awesome that you own one of these too! Never saw your thread before but why it got overlooked in the first place I don't know. I saw another sell online last year but did not bid. When I saw how nice this one was I jumped on it. The action is crisp too.

Well, I guess I'm glad that you and the OP made up this thread. I don't know much about this ratchet at all. I thought it was someone's retrofit job putting in a makeshift selector into an old SK body. But after seeing your ratchet and this thread, I figure it is an original. Yours is in much better shape than mine!

I can't remember, but I think it had around 44-48 clicks, I think I posted pics in that 4 year old thread of mine of the innards.

I do remember the day I got the ratchet though. Picked it up from the flea market in industry, CA. Hispanic guy there. I think I picked up the ratchet, fiddled with it a bit because of the weird selector. The guy told me, "$7". I think I said something like, "it looks like it's 50 years old". He said, "it'll last another 50 years, how about $5". And it was sold.

Funny, the worst part of this thread is that my SK is a user ratchet. Lol. Now knowing it might have been a limited production run, Im tempted to retire it to the collector display category... Lol, probably not. But I guess I'd better not smack it with a hammer or put a pipe on it.

 

[ChevyEFI]

The small selector size relative to round head size reminds me of the selector/head ratio of the 3/4" ratchets.

Interesting the flat surface of the selector side of the head seems less than perfectly round near the handle.

Nice piece and congrats, 3bay.

 

[ganymede]

Found one that I had in storage and took it apart.
The spring loaded plunger that moves the pawl is in the rectangular part of the cap (center).
You can see how the pawl isn't interchangeable..

 

[Sam'sAutoParts]

Very cool, I was curious to see what they looked like on the inside. But I'm guessing the main body is the same as a normal SK?

 

[ganymede]

Very cool, I was curious to see what they looked like on the inside. But I'm guessing the main body is the same as a normal SK?

Here you go Sam.
Upper is your common 1940's to early 60's 42470 and bottom is the oddball late 30's variant.
A modern rebuild kit will fit in the old one but will not work. The grooves for the snap ring don't line up perfectly so theres too much tension. Also, the switch lever won't stay in. It just flops around and will fall out if you turn the ratchet upside down.

 

[r_olson_06]

These are a really hard find. I have not seen any in the wild and here in the Midwest every farmer has several old s-k socket sets. I got this on a trade from burnin53 a couple of years back. As said before the body is slightly different and can not be changed with another diamond era 42470.

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[ChevyEFI]

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Thanks for sharing the older selector design example.

But we need more info on the roto!

 

[Fordman7795]

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You probably own that style ratchet in the best condition in the world. Gratz

 

[ganymede]

You probably own that style ratchet in the best condition in the world. Gratz

I'd bet so.
They only made that variation for 2 1/2 or 3 yrs so there can't be barge loads of them hiding in tool sheds and 1938 was a long time ago.

 

[r_olson_06]

Thanks for sharing the older selector design example.

But we need more info on the roto!

It is one my favorites in my ratchet collection. It is an OTC 1/2" drive to go with a push through plug H160. I think it is late 1930s maybe early 1940s. Still looking for the 3/8 model.

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[espyking83]

Im calling that a custom job or a rare ratchet. Never seen it.

 

[espyking83]

Oh, after reading it turns out they are rare. SK diamond usually doesnt last long lol.

 

[XxToolAholicxX]

Not original... One looks old while the other is new... Funny never seen one like it... It has to be forged...