They made a grill according to an earlier post. So no excuses really.Why?
Are you waiting for Snap-On to make a stove?
Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?
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Meursault74
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Here in Los Angeles, distances are measured in time. HF isn't that far from the HD, but depending on day of the week and time of day, traffic can make the journey not worth it. Last time I went to HF, I went on a Sunday Morning and left from home. The location is not that far away from where I work but at 4-5 pm on a weekday, that journey is not worth making. Traffic ***** around here and it comes into my decision making on when and where to go.
Exactly. If 9 miles takes 2 hours it's not worth it for a one time use wrench. Or whatever.
I won't go to the grocery store across from my little usual store to save a couple bucks on soda just because it isn't worth the hassle of the red light and the time.
neophyte
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The advantage with having the stores nearby, is that if one is out of what you need, you can ho to another,
Or if you hate what is on the shelf, you can go down the street or around the block.
The advantage I was mainly referring to though, is that you can pop over to Harbor Freight easily when buying groceries at the store near Target and Acme, especially if you’re with someone who browses too long, and still get back before all the grocery is done, or just pop into Harbor Freight when you need to pick up a few groceries.
The Harbor Freight at the Franklin Mills Mall is a bit further from the main mall, and is a bit less convenient, but still gives you the option of tool purchases, relatively conveniently at the mall.
It’s sort of like the convenience of a Snap-On truck outside your job, but with way mire convenience of when to go in for shopping.
You also don’t have to wait for a package drop off, and hope some @sshole didn’t porch pirate the package.
neophyte
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It’s like 2 minutes or less of driving, with both locations accessible to decent transit routes, both thru the city, as well as for people from a distance.
I agree.
2ndGearRubber
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Before Amazon had every tool imaginable, HF or tool trucks basically were the option for "need it now" automotive type stuff.
I'm waiting on approval to confirm a coolant leak location and press ball joints in a duramax. I don't have the flywheel lock tool, and back in the day even with $50 "next day air" you still may be waiting 3 days if the snap-on man or whoever can't drive you one down for 4X what they sell for on the internet.
For me, this began a process of pre-buying tools. Trying to always have a large collection of decent-ish specialty items to modify or make do with. Yeah, the HF power steering puller sucked balls. But it did remove pulleys, made me money, and did the job. You basically needed a bunch of options pre-bought or you were at the mercy of what was available. And a customer might walk over a bad enough wait time.
That's basically my specialty now, time. I can often get you in same day, for basically any concern on any type of car. Less the jag/LR trash, **** those cars. Anyways my employer may charge 50% MORE than Audi for the same diag and repair. Audi is 2 weeks out. Your car is already out of inspection. Ford is also several weeks out, your water pump is locked up. Hell I'm buying the parts from that very dealer, but their delivery is a lot faster than their shop moves.
Now thanks to Amazon I can 1-day ship the duramax lock if need be. IDK what I'll do about labor because looking at it, and doing a bit of research, it looks like book time is pretty generous. Counterpoint, diesel shops and GM are always backlogged, I'm available today, and that crank bolt is TIGHT.
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Kurt4440
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It's not an isolated purchase. You fill up a whole box. And when it comes down to it, what you have in the box is not going to pay your bills when you put the wrenches down. It's not an exaggerated anything. If you want to fill it up with Snap On, go right ahead. But the emotional reaction you're having right now is exactly what I'm referring to - it's generally the Tool Truck defenders ******* the drama meter and trying to make small gaps appear to be bigger than they are.
I genuinely DGAF - if I thought the SO was vastly better, I'd be happy to say so. If any of the Icon stuff I have and gets routine use had turned out to be ****, I'd have no hesitation in calling them out.As for Icon vs. Tekton wrenches, I've had both and the Icons are clearly better to me. Much better tolerances, etc. But I had no issues with Tekton beyond them being a bit sloppy. They scored pretty far down in the TTC testing, though I'll be curious to see how they do with the new rig they showed off in their latest video.
Kurt4440
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I have a buddy with a 1992 Jaguar XJS convertible, with 27,000 miles.
He needed a few things done, and couldn't get anyone to work on it. Right now, it is in my garage with the rear sub frame out ready for new inboard brakes. He will hand me a thick envelope when I am finished.
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I love that a thread called Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage? has almost 500 comments, with no signs of slowing down
richfinn
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Yes you can, If you can fix cars you can cook, it's easy, follow the recipe (tech data) use the kitchen utensils (tools) and assemble the ingredients (parts) in the correct order.
It's more or less the exact same thing (and you get better the more you do it)
Meursault74
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I think @2ndGearRubber could manage to flip a burger quite nicely if he had this................Yes you can, If you can fix cars you can cook, it's easy, follow the recipe (tech data) use the kitchen utensils (tools) and assemble the ingredients (parts) in the correct order.
It's more or less the exact same thing (and you get better the more you do it)
richfinn
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I wish Ko-ken made knurled salt and pepper shakers now
2ndGearRubber
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It's not an isolated purchase. You fill up a whole box. And when it comes down to it, what you have in the box is not going to pay your bills when you put the wrenches down. It's not an exaggerated anything. If you want to fill it up with Snap On, go right ahead. But the emotional reaction you're having right now is exactly what I'm referring to - it's generally the Tool Truck defenders ******* the drama meter and trying to make small gaps appear to be bigger than they are.
As for Icon vs. Tekton wrenches, I've had both and the Icons are clearly better to me. Much better tolerances, etc. But I had no issues with Tekton beyond them being a bit sloppy. They scored pretty far down in the TTC testing, though I'll be curious to see how they do with the new rig they showed off in their latest video.
I have the tektons, they'd be worse than Icon, which was worse than snap on. Value per dollar Icon would probably win that even with the lower price of the Tekton. Sort of depends how much you value the improvements. I think I prefer my sunex just for the longer form factor.
In my world, in the all makes/models aftermarket, there is no "done". I'd be spending the same, just getting more, with cheaper tools. You're always always always buying more, there's always new designs and better mouse traps. Generally speaking though having some semblance price sensitivity means you pick and choose what you're willing to pay the $$$$$ for. I don't spend big money on press discs, I have maybe $200 in press discs from around 10mm up to ~6". I will spend big money on labscopes and scan tools. I won't spend a lot on impact extensions, but I will on locking pliers. There is no finish line until you have at least $50,000 in, no ifs ands or buts. But that diversity builds on itself, you can drive out competition, take on more types of work, and increase efficiency, which means more $$$. When the work is there, man it's there, I made $900+ yesterday in ~8 hours. And yes, I max the company match 1/1 in the 401k. Will probably change my investment strategy when I reach my savings goal hopefully within the 6 months or so.
Even if you bought most or all your sockets/wrenches/pliers from snap on that's still a small % of all the BS you're buying. Now in a more restrictive environment where you may only work on..... VAG products? Different story. That said while the basic VAG injector tools I have are fine for me, doing it much more frequently may require a better tool like AST.
"I've had the ________ and they're clearly better to me" sums up my specific tools I prefer high $$$ options for.
Issue is parts. I have to chase my own parts, then the front desk gets to play phone tag with the customer, then it's a 30yo vehicle so ALWAYS more needs done, more time, stuck on a lift, front desk bitching about needing to buy everything online, more waiting..... It's not worth the hassle for me as a w2 employee because I'm not getting that whole envelope, more like 20% of the total. That and the dealers **** balls, no parts diagrams, little/no service info so I don't even know what I need until it's torn apart and stuck, no torque specs, etc.
I mostly just hate on the more modern plastic shitbox JLR products. "Take it to the dealer", everybody sing along! I'll do a brake job, that's about it. I've said before I typically work for owner 3+ on euro cars, so they don't have any money anyway.
"There is a difference"
2ndGearRubber
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I got a set of snap-on steak knifes for my mother as a joke/gift. We use them pretty regularly, but they're sadly not USA made nor actual wrenches which would've made them way cooler.
Meursault74
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Kurt4440
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I love that a thread called Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage? has almost 500 comments, with no signs of slowing down
This thread is very similar to some conversations with my wife. Occasionally, she will stress over the little issues and I successfully (try to) break the negative train of thought with some humor.
Yesterday, she went for a mammogram, and with a negative tone, she started to tell me about the exam, when she took a breath, I offered her a second opinion. She looked at me inquisitively. I followed up with "how long have you known me"?. She smiled
I like the free exchange of ideas about tools, and the humor. I will not become emotionally invested in the tool purchases of other people.
Rage on
I'm not sure if I'm a good judge on this whole Snap-on post. When I was younger, I bought a lot of Craftsman tools to work on my cars. As I got older, I bought Snap-on tools. So, I have a lot of both. When I go to the junkyard for parts I use my old Craftsman tools in a go to box. I get home and use the Snap-on to put them on. They both do the job, but the Snap-on sure feel nicer.
micromind
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I got a set of snap-on steak knifes for my mother as a joke/gift. We use them pretty regularly, but they're sadly not USA made nor actual wrenches which would've made them way cooler.
Seems like it'd be painful to tighten a fastener with that wrench..........Wonder if it's OSHA approved........lol.
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Meursault74
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I looked on Ebay and saw a few of those sets were selling as previously owned, but they only had 5 knives. One went missing............... those don't happen be 10 mm
I got a set of snap-on steak knifes for my mother as a joke/gift. We use them pretty regularly, but they're sadly not USA made nor actual wrenches which would've made them way cooler.
You're welcome.I love that a thread called Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage? has almost 500 comments, with no signs of slowing down
Are they actual knives? That's all Lorena Bobbit cares to know.
I got a set of snap-on steak knifes for my mother as a joke/gift. We use them pretty regularly, but they're sadly not USA made nor actual wrenches which would've made them way cooler.
When I was a kid, "you don't need **** with an *** like that" was received as a compliment.
Did you try it?
mreisner
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The first time I used Snap-on ratchet that I had just bought was laying on my back under a combine in a muddy cornfield trying to reconnect a final drive shaft to get a combine out of the mud and into a shop that although it had a dirt floor at least it had a roof over and it wasn't muddy as it was the only thing we could get that big of a machine into. After the Craftsman raised panel ratchet that I had kept skipping and I bashed my Knuckles a couple of times my new Snap-on that was shiny and all oiled up earned its keep on that one job. That day I started on my adventure to finding better tools. It has been a whole lot of fun over the past four decades doing it.
2ndGearRubber
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Yup, they cut steak and everything.
It's really just a handle with a pressed in blade, which I believe is why they're listed as "do not put in dishwasher" as there would be no way to clean in the small open/slotted area around the blade. We've been using them for at least 5 years at least once a week. To be honest I think I actually bought them off the snap-on truck as I wasn't immediately in the market for anything to get them "for free" and they aren't often available.
thingfixer
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I love that it's now turned into a debate about the merits of Snap-On cutlery and kitchen appliancesI love that a thread called Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage? has almost 500 comments, with no signs of slowing down
Well, it's a fresh direction.
What I have gathered so far in this and the tool truck thread (and others) in the past month is that snap-on have been said to be the reason for:
- High prices in the US housing market
- veteran bankruptcy
- forcing mechanics to live in apartments
thomfr
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Funny guys you Americans.. Buy an E-bike (or an normal push bike if you like) and you take care of the 9 miles return trip within an hour and do something for your heath.. Or even a motorbike would cut the time enormously. Instead of that you are sitting in a traffic jam for ages..
Thom
I'll be the first to admit that I could use more exercise, but when I go to town it's usually because I'm going to purchase more than I could carry on a bicycle.
Kurt4440
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I had a very similar experience, except the mission was to get an F-250 home. The difference between a Craftsman ratchet and a Snap-On ratchet of that vintage was staggering.
Kurt4440
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If you buy this bicycle, you will be able to carry whatever your heart desires. Plus, instant 6 pack abs.
Waiting for the Icon clone.If you buy this bicycle, you will be able to carry whatever your heart desires. Plus, instant 6 pack abs.
Kurt4440
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If Harbor Freight makes a Pittsburgh Pro bicycle, we should get one and send it to 2ndGearRubber.
In fact, we should look for Harbor Freight to make a reality show in Pittsburgh, about a Pro mechanic.
The show would make 2ndGearRubber a Pittsburgh Pro and an Icon.
Maybe we could resurrect the thread by MechanicNamedJohn.
Thread 'My Harbor Freight Investment' https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/my-harbor-freight-investment.67850/
Instead of struggling with the known worn out tool, why didn't you just use that brand new, shiny ratchet, in the first place?
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