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Why You Really, Really Need Wobble Extensions

Garcky

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A set of wobble extensions should be in every toolset, in at least 3/8" drive, but preferably in all drive sizes. Some guys don't think they need them, because they have full sets of shallow and deep wobble sockets. They're wrong, though, especially in some situations. I'll give you one example of how a 10" wobble extension pretty much saved my life.

I didn't have a shop where I could work on cars. Much less did I have a lift. What I had was a 1991 Volvo 740 wagon with an exhaust leak at the manifold flange that car's exhaust pipe flange has a double exhaust pipe and a three-hole flange. A simple flat gasket seals the connection. Two of the fasteners on that flange are pretty accessible. The third fastener, though, is on the back side of the exhaust pipe and can't even be seen or touched from the top. Nope. Ain't happening.

So, I was going to have to get down and crawl under the car. I put the front end up on ramps and carefully blocked the rear wheels and also made sure I was in Park with the parking brake fully engaged. I crawled under, but it was still a tight fit and I could barely move. This was not going to be fun, I could tell.

Now Volvo, in its questionable wisdom, used distorted, long brass nuts on the exhaust manifold studs. While they didn't work themselves loose and didn't corrode and lock everything up so you'd have break something, they were really, really hard to turn, because of the distorted threads. Lying under the car, with a strong light pointing upward, I could just see that last nut, about 18" above the bottom of the exhaust pipe. If I jammed my arm between the exhaust pipe and the engine, I could just touch the nut, which was a 17mm hex fastener. However, I could also see that there was no straight shot at the nut. Worse, a good deal of the stud protruded through the nut, meaning that a deep socket was going to be essential.

I dragged myself from under the car and sat on my work stool to ponder the situation. How was I going to get a deep socket on that distorted nut and wind that nut off the stud while lying on my back with almost no room to work. Did I say that I hated lying on the pavement under a car? Maybe I forgot to say that...

After considerable thinking, I came up with the solution. I needed a long 3/8" drive flex ratchet, one 10" regular extension, and one 10" wobble extension. Along with the deep 17mm socket. Thinking about the path to the nut, I assembled my stuff. The wobble extension went on the ratchet. The plain extension went on the wobble extension, the socket went on the plain extension. I crawled back under the Volvo.

With some maneuvering, I managed to get the socket on the distorted brass nut, with the wobble extension letting me get past the obstructing exhaust pipe. There was just enough flexibility in the extension chain to make that happen. Slowly, and little by little, I creaked that distorted brass exhaust nut off the stud. I had to put the socket on the nut, and then move over a bit so I would be able to work the ratchet. After about five minutes, I managed to get the nut off the stud and down came the exhaust pipe. I scooted back out from under the car. Time for a rest. I was sweating profusely.

I decided that the distorted brass nut was NOT going back onto the stud. Not a chance. So, I got in the car, went to my favorite ACE hardware with the aisle of drawers full of fasteners. I found stainless steel nuts of the right size in one of the stainless steel metric drawers and bought two of them. Then, rested, I went home.

After replacing the old burnt out gasket and getting the exhaust pipe up and hanging from the three studs, I put the two accessible distorted brass nuts on the two accessible studs and ran them up until they were almost tight. Then, I grabbed my extension chain, along with a shallow socket to supplement the deep one. I put one of the stainless steel nuts in the shallow socket, along with a little grease to keep it in place and snaked my extension chain up and carefully started that nut on the threads of the stud, turning it by hand so that it was up on the stud as far as the shallow socket would take it. Then, I swapped over to the deep socket and ran it up the rest of the way, finally tightening it and the other two nuts to finish attaching the flange to the manifold. Finally, using the shallow socket, I got the second stainless nut started on the stud and finished up by jamming it against the first nut, using the deep socket again. Double-nutting was my solution to replace the distorted brass nut. I tightened up the exhaust pipe connections and hangers and finally got out from under the car. No exhaust leak.

I went back in the house and poured a tall gin and tonic to complete the job.

So, without that wobble extension in the right place on the extension train, the job would have been impossible, which is why you need a set of those, at least in the drive size you use most often. Or you can buy a set with all lengths and drive sizes. Harbor Freight has one for about $20, or you can get a set from the tool truck, I guess. Creativity is often needed to reach fasteners effectively.

I know. I know. TLDR!
 
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While you are at it, if your budget allows, get universal joints, universal-joint sockets, wobble extensions, regular extensions, and locking extensions. Oh, and regular and flex-head ratchets of varying handle lengths. I will use any Rube Goldberg ratchet/extension combo I can to get the job done. The more options you have, the better your chance of landing a socket directly on top of the fastener, thus minimizing round-off potential.

I just recently added metric universal-joint sockets to my arsenal, and they've saved me twice already this month.
 
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Garcky

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While you are at it, if your budget allows, get universal joints, universal-joint sockets, wobble extensions, regular extensions, and locking extensions. Oh, and regular and flex-head ratchets of varying handle lengths. I will use any Rube Goldberg ratchet/extension combo I can to get the job done. The more options you have, the better your chance of landing a socket directly on top of the fastener, thus minimizing round-off potential.

I just recently added metric universal-joint sockets to my arsenal, and they've saved me twice already this month.
Yeah, that would be nice, but doesn't really fit my needs or budget. I have sets of metric and SAE wobble sockets, but they don't get used much. The wobble extensions, though, get used a lot. I use a 1/4" drive one to assemble flat-pack furniture, for example. That makes accessing pocket fasteners much, much easier. I just use a 1/4" drive speed handle with them, and get the job done quickly and simply.
 

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While you are at it, if your budget allows, get universal joints, universal-joint sockets, wobble extensions, regular extensions, and locking extensions. Oh, and regular and flex-head ratchets of varying handle lengths. I will use any Rube Goldberg ratchet/extension combo I can to get the job done. The more options you have, the better your chance of landing a socket directly on top of the fastener, thus minimizing round-off potential.

I just recently added metric universal-joint sockets to my arsenal, and they've saved me twice already this month.
You never know when you'll come up against a situation that requires all that and more.
Hopefully that won't happen very often, but when it does, look out.
There's a tool for every job, but when you need it, you have to have it. Or make it.
One tool I found that was a lifesaver were torque adapters (2 inch center ) that allowed me to tighten a nut at 90°.
Being saved is good. :lol:
 

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I've got a couple of short wobble extensions (1/4" and 3/8" -2 inches long) in my car toolbox that I put on the ends of other regular extensions when I need a longer Wobble one. It saves a little space not carrying a whole lot of different extensions.
 

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While you are at it, if your budget allows, get universal joints, universal-joint sockets, wobble extensions, regular extensions, and locking extensions. Oh, and regular and flex-head ratchets of varying handle lengths. I will use any Rube Goldberg ratchet/extension combo I can to get the job done. The more options you have, the better your chance of landing a socket directly on top of the fastener, thus minimizing round-off potential.

I just recently added metric universal-joint sockets to my arsenal, and they've saved me twice already this month.
Agreed
When my daughter was around 12 she said I had too many tools. For the last 5 years we have worked on her cars. She now understands why I have "all of those tools"
 

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Love the wobble extensions as the old school U-joints don't work as well in certain restrictive areas. Really dislike the flop using them too when trying to wind it up into a tight space and it flops over. Have wobbles in varying lengths and some manufacturers have a bit more angle to them.

Sort of like the ball end hex drivers. Those have saved me many times from having to do more disassembly to get a straight shot at some fasteners.
 
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Love the wobble extensions as the old school U-joints don't work as well in certain restrictive areas. Really dislike the flop using them too when trying to wind it up into a tight space and it flops over. Have wobbles in varying lengths and some manufacturers have a bit more angle to them.

Sort of like the ball end hex drivers. Those have saved me many times from having to do more disassembly to get a straight shot at some fasteners.
I have both SAE and metric long ball end hex drivers. I rarely use anything else. My wife loves ordering flat pack furniture. Those drivers make assembly almost a pleasure. Almost.
 

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The Snap On 3/8 drive male and female (Pt# FTA35) is ridiculously handy in cobbling a socket into an awkward angle
 

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Wobble extensions are great when you have to stupid-hard things like the top nut of BMW transmission housings or the starter bolts.

@Garcky - Volvo still does it weird. We have a new-to-us '10 V70 wagon, and I'm planning on doing the motor mounts in the near-ish future. Some of those are... creatively accessed...
 

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I have a 3/8" drive - 12" long wobble extension that saved my bacon a few years ago.

The trunnion raise/lower mechanism on my Jet tablesaw jammed and I was unable to adjust the blade height. The only way to get at one of the bolts holding the cast iron top to the frame required that wobble extension. I couldn't get a wrench in there so it was wobble or nothing . . .

I like that extension as it DOESN'T lock if you apply forward pressure on the socket - some of the 1/4" drive ones I purchased do that and it can be irritating.

We used it on my son's Suburban while replacing the steering rag joint - he was impressed and has bought his own since then.

Cheers

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I have really good luck with the split nuts.

3 wobblies is enough to get up most any tunnel from behind the trans which is best.
 

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I bought one wobble extension set almost 15 years ago. Never used once. So I guess the answer is really YMMV.
 
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I tend to use a u joint more then a wobble, but wobbles are nice when you only need just a hair of an angle.


I wrap my u joints in electrical tape so they don’t flip around when I’m trying to snake them in a tight spot. They still have a full range of flex but they just don’t flop around Willy nilly.
 

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Absolutely a must have! I will say I have many brands, some better than others. But all handy. Some that I have actually are dual purpose, push the socket down all the way and it's straight, pull it up and it wobbles. I believe I have cheapie and Snap on variants like that. They're by far my favorites!
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Yup, wobble extensions have gotten me out of lots of binds. Highly recommended. After really mangling a nut I thought I was square on, I might be needing those universal sockets as well.
 

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My cheapo HF wobble extensions have come in handy numerous times.

I have a friend that I call my Guru - he started wrenching in 1958 as a young teenager and was a high level mechanic and trainer at different times in his career at Pontiac, Nissan, and Porsche. He helps me sometimes on my little collection. One time while trying to put an oil pump cover on our Opel GT while the engine was installed, he reached in his little bag of tricks and pulled out a 1/4" drive u-joint metric socket set and handed it to me. Problem solved. No other size would have worked. I was about to loosen the motor mounts and raise the engine but that wasn't needed. He told me to go find a 1/4" u-joint metric socket set and buy it, no matter how expensive. I am cheap but I listen to the Guru (I figure he has saved me more money than any tool cost). I bought it. On 2 occasions in the last 15 years, I used one of those little sockets. On both occasions, I was grateful for the advice and glad I spent the money.

While I don't care to buy single purpose, one-time use tools, I admit that every time I do it and use it, I'm glad I spent the money. I fully understand why professional technicians end up with monster tool chests.
 
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My cheapo HF wobble extensions have come in handy numerous times.

I have a friend that I call my Guru - he started wrenching in 1958 as a young teenager and was a high level mechanic and trainer at different times in his career at Pontiac, Nissan, and Porsche. He helps me sometimes on my little collection. One time while trying to put an oil pump cover on our Opel GT while the engine was installed, he reached in his little bag of tricks and pulled out a 1/4" drive u-joint metric socket set and handed it to me. Problem solved. No other size would have worked. I was about to loosen the motor mounts and raise the engine but that wasn't needed. He told me to go find a 1/4" u-joint metric socket set and buy it, no matter how expensive. I am cheap but I listen to the Guru (I figure he has saved me more money than any tool cost). I bought it. On 2 occasions in the last 15 years, I used one of those little sockets. On both occasions, I was grateful for the advice and glad I spent the money.

While I don't care to buy single purpose, one-time use tools, I admit that every time I do it and use it, I'm glad I spent the money. I fully understand why professional technicians end up with monster tool chests.
Yup. There are tons of tools that solve particular problems. I have many such tools. However, it has never been my practice to buy sets of them. Instead, I generally buy the individual tool that solves that specific problem. That keeps my tool box size down and my wallet thicker.

Wobble sockets are a good example. Some sizes get used again and again. Other sizes stay shiny and take up space in the drawer. So, I don't have sets of them. I have the sizes that I've learned I need, and none that I will never use. Everyone has his own method for choosing what tools to buy.
 

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I recently bought a 6" 3/8 locking wobble extension.
Now I'm looking for a job to use it on. :lol:
 

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Yup. There are tons of tools that solve particular problems. I have many such tools. However, it has never been my practice to buy sets of them. Instead, I generally buy the individual tool that solves that specific problem. That keeps my tool box size down and my wallet thicker.

Wobble sockets are a good example. Some sizes get used again and again. Other sizes stay shiny and take up space in the drawer. So, I don't have sets of them. I have the sizes that I've learned I need, and none that I will never use. Everyone hays his own method for choosing what tools to buy.

You are right - most of the time, buy only the size you need. But if my Guru tells me to buy a set rather than an individual - I will do it (and I have used 2 different sizes of those U-joint 1/4 shallow metric sockets). One time he told me to never trust the auto parts electrical test that identifies battery vs alternators. He recommended an electrical analyzer to me. Again, cheap me was not happy about the price so I put it on my Christmas wish list and got it for Christmas that year. Sure enough, our truck had a problem starting. Due to the age of the battery, it made no sense to me that it was the battery. I happened to be near my favorite auto parts store so I pulled in, they tested the system and told me that there was a bad diode in the alternator. Right before I bought the alternator, I remembered the Guru's advice. Took the truck home, hooked up the analyzer, ran through the tests it used (more comprehensive than the auto parts with just engine off/engine on) that included turning on lights, fans, etc... and it said alternator was good but battery was defective. Replaced battery. That was 2 years and 8000 miles ago.
 
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You are right - most of the time, buy only the size you need. But if my Guru tells me to buy a set rather than an individual - I will do it (and I have used 2 different sizes of those U-joint 1/4 shallow metric sockets). One time he told me to never trust the auto parts electrical test that identifies battery vs alternators. He recommended an electrical analyzer to me. Again, cheap me was not happy about the price so I put it on my Christmas wish list and got it for Christmas that year. Sure enough, our truck had a problem starting. Due to the age of the battery, it made no sense to me that it was the battery. I happened to be near my favorite auto parts store so I pulled in, they tested the system and told me that there was a bad diode in the alternator. Right before I bought the alternator, I remembered the Guru's advice. Took the truck home, hooked up the analyzer, ran through the tests it used (more comprehensive than the auto parts with just engine off/engine on) that included turning on lights, fans, etc... and it said alternator was good but battery was defective. Replaced battery. That was 2 years and 8000 miles ago.
It's up to each guy to assess his own needs and desires. Or that's how it has always seemed to me. For some people, a shotgun approach is the only one that makes sense. They buy tools by the set, because they "might" need all of them. Personally, I hate to see tools in my drawers that I have never used and probably never will.

I used to work on 1950s British cars and motorcycles. I bought a very selective set of Whitworth tools that fit the fasteners on the particular vehicles I had. I added to it if I got another vehicle that needed additional tools. Then, sometime in the 1980s, I stopped messing with those cars and bikes. I knew I wouldn't buy any more of them, so I sold the Whitworth stuff and emptied a drawer in my toolbox. As I started working more on Japanese vehicles, I ramped up my metric collection.

That's not to say that I don't buy sets. I do, in the case of typical wrenches and sockets. But, when it comes to less often used types of tools, I continued to buy that sizes I discovered that I needed and that I'd likely need again from time to time. I've never owned a German car, so there are fastener types I'll never encounter. I don't have those tools. If I do buy a German car (unlikely at my age), I'll get the tools I need then.

So, people would call me a home teamer. I used to work as a professional mechanic. I stopped doing that long ago. Now I work only on my own vehicles.
 

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There are always a tool that just makes doing X so much more easy.

Storytime:

Had an issue with a shifter for a Fiero. There is a plastic bushing that just went away over the years. Made a new one from delrin. Putting it back together I could not for the life of me get one bolt in, universals, it just fell to the side, pack the universal in grease try to make it stiffer, socket and bolt too heavy. Finally I remember I had this extention on a spring. No idea where I got it, somewhere on my travels and thought that could be handy. After fooling with this one bolt and having the thought, well they always give you too many I remembered that goofy extension. It was done and tight in 5 min.

Building a loft, hammering in joist hangers. This *****, can't get a nail gun in there....my shoulder is going to fall off. Palm nailer, what is that.......I did 5 joists last night in about 45min. Not sure what I will do with that $30 tool after this is all done, I don't work with wood that often. Likely sit around for 30 years like that spring extension.
 
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There are always a tool that just makes doing X so much more easy.

Storytime:

Had an issue with a shifter for a Fiero. There is a plastic bushing that just went away over the years. Made a new one from delrin. Putting it back together I could not for the life of me get one bolt in, universals, it just fell to the side, pack the universal in grease try to make it stiffer, socket and bolt too heavy. Finally I remember I had this extention on a spring. No idea where I got it, somewhere on my travels and thought that could be handy. After fooling with this one bolt and having the thought, well they always give you too many I remembered that goofy extension. It was done and tight in 5 min.

Building a loft, hammering in joist hangers. This *****, can't get a nail gun in there....my shoulder is going to fall off. Palm nailer, what is that.......I did 5 joists last night in about 45min. Not sure what I will do with that $30 tool after this is all done, I don't work with wood that often. Likely sit around for 30 years like that spring extension.
I have one of those extensions. Haven't used it yet, but it cost almost nothing, so I bought it. Someday, maybe I'll need it.
 

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It's up to each guy to assess his own needs and desires. Or that's how it has always seemed to me. For some people, a shotgun approach is the only one that makes sense. They buy tools by the set, because they "might" need all of them. Personally, I hate to see tools in my drawers that I have never used and probably never will.

I used to work on 1950s British cars and motorcycles. I bought a very selective set of Whitworth tools that fit the fasteners on the particular vehicles I had. I added to it if I got another vehicle that needed additional tools. Then, sometime in the 1980s, I stopped messing with those cars and bikes. I knew I wouldn't buy any more of them, so I sold the Whitworth stuff and emptied a drawer in my toolbox. As I started working more on Japanese vehicles, I ramped up my metric collection.

That's not to say that I don't buy sets. I do, in the case of typical wrenches and sockets. But, when it comes to less often used types of tools, I continued to buy that sizes I discovered that I needed and that I'd likely need again from time to time. I've never owned a German car, so there are fastener types I'll never encounter. I don't have those tools. If I do buy a German car (unlikely at my age), I'll get the tools I need then.

So, people would call me a home teamer. I used to work as a professional mechanic. I stopped doing that long ago. Now I work only on my own vehicles.
I've still got my Whitworth/BS/BA wrenches and sockets just in case. It's been over 50 years, but you can never tell when a deal on an old British car or bike will pop up. :unsure: :)
 

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Wobble extensions have their place. It's generally not my first choice, as I own a stupid amount of universal sockets, but sometimes, in a professional indie car environment, they have their role, for one reason or another. You can cheap out on those.
 

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After reading this post,it might be a good time to go out and think about any future maintenance plans on your equipment and whether maybe it would be a good time to try a wobble combo.Sometimes a little pre plan is priceless
 
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I've still got my Whitworth/BS/BA wrenches and sockets just in case. It's been over 50 years, but you can never tell when a deal on an old British car or bike will pop up. :unsure: :)
Yeah. Still have mine, too. They just aren't in my working toolbox. However, I know I will never own another old British car or bike. Maybe someone will need to borrow those someday.
 

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Yeah. Still have mine, too. They just aren't in my working toolbox. However, I know I will never own another old British car or bike. Maybe someone will need to borrow those someday.
I say the same thing, and then every year the local British Car Club has a meet and I walk around looking at all the cars and it's almost been long enough to forget about all the cost and repairs I had to do to keep them running. :cry: I was looking at a Vanderhall yesterday and it may be the option to scratch that British sport car itch without invoking the Dark Lord that was Lucas. :unsure:
 
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