Wide Track Width 4 post Lift

[SitDown]

Spent a good deal of time on recon for my lift purchase, and finally now able to order mine with build wrapping up... Sadly, in the interim of last few months of build delays they discontinued the Atlas 409HP which met all the criteria I had Any guidance on options i might have missed or specs i'm overthinking? Any $.02 would be much appreciated. Some Ideal specs i had in mind:

~85"+ overall width of runners (My raptor has a track width of 86"+)
~110"+ (100+ doable) between posts (truck width mirror to mirror is 8ft)
~200" or less length preferred (ramps not incl)
~125" or less overall width (motor not incl)

Vehicles to be on it:
Raptor Supercab - 220" L | 86" W | 79" H | 6k lbs
Chevy SS (Holden VF) - 196" L | 75" W | 58" H | 4k lbs
65 Fastback Mustang - 181" L |68" W | 49" H | 2.8k Lbs


While there are many options out there, the biggest hurdle is finding a hobbyist lift with 85"+ of total runner width. Found some reasonably priced commercial lifts, but lacks some good features the hobby lifts offer. I really liked the Atlas offerings given several friends have them with years of first hand experience on them, but more so the price w/ (2) roller jack combo packages ~$4k shipped


Atlas 409HP - not avail now, but specs for comparison were:
86" overall runner width
124" wide
197" Long
112" between posts
42" center opening


Atlas 412 commercial - has very close size specs to 409HP, but uses air, lacks single release, is more $ (less important), and overall more heavy duty than i need (added work to assemble move etc)
88.5" overall runner width
124" wide
197" Long
112" between posts
42" center opening


Atlas 9000 - has some similar specs (though wider and longer, which isn't needed and more hassle for space), the overall runner width of 79" is biggest downer for me, also narrower center.
79" overall runner width
131.5" wide
204" Long
110" between posts
35.5" center opening

Bendpak 9XW - Specs are doable (shorter and narrower), couple more inches of track width over 9000, with wider center opening too. Adding jacks at $1k each is a downer though.
83" overall runner width
117" wide
198" Long
45" center opening


Any other options that might be recommended to fit the bill?

 

[ndm]

Bendpak because the atlas commercial is not moveable and the ramps on the commercial units are heavy as hell and not exactly as portable. I was in the greg smith atlanta store just yesterday looking at it. Also the BP unit has almost 7 feet drive under clearance.

The atlas commercial units are nice but not being portable is a deal breaker for me.

 

[ghnl]

I bought a DirectLift ProPark9 because it was wide/long enough for my F250 Ext cab yet also fit my small cars (MG, Alfa Romeo).

http://www.directlift.com/Four-Post-Lift-Pro-Park-9-PLUS-P55C9.aspx

 

[1938flatty]

Direct Lift Pro Park 9 for me as well.

 

[SitDown]

Thanksgiving for feedback guys. The lifts I mentioned were more so examples, Really hoped to find a workable hobbyist one. Both the bendpak and atlas hobby ones are likely too narrow in overall runner width. The direct lift looks also to only have 79" track width and sadly.

I'm ok with some tire over Hang, but my overall tire width is closer to 90"+, so a lot of overhang bothers me when spending $4k+.

Any other brands / options out there that might accommodate more track width?

 

[SitDown]

Found the Backyard Buddy 9k, which features a wider runner width, @ ~89". They look to only sell direct, so pricing wont be in my favor, but atleast an option...

Anyone seen/heard of ppl using the GregSmith/Atlas roller jacks on other brand lifts? Bendpak, BYB, etc?

 

[ndm]

Found the Backyard Buddy 9k, which features a wider runner width, @ ~89". They look to only sell direct, so pricing wont be in my favor, but atleast an option...

Anyone seen/heard of ppl using the GregSmith/Atlas roller jacks on other brand lifts? Bendpak, BYB, etc?

If you are looking at backyard buddy then you might want to check these two guys out too. Similar designs and very beefy lifts.

http://www.wildfirelifts.com/

http://advantagelifts.us/




EDIT___Just looked and the runway ramp width might not be wide enough for you.

 

[ndm]

Found the Backyard Buddy 9k, which features a wider runner width, @ ~89". They look to only sell direct, so pricing wont be in my favor, but atleast an option...

Anyone seen/heard of ppl using the GregSmith/Atlas roller jacks on other brand lifts? Bendpak, BYB, etc?

I still say the bendpak is the best option because you will have a great lift from a great company and the tire over Hang will be at like 3.5 inch per side.

Also check this post for a rj-45 retrofit on a Backyard buddy lift
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91428

Edit number 2

from the atlas website

http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-RJ-35-Sliding-Jack

Finally, the versatile Atlas® RJ-35 Sliding Jack is adjustable to fit between the runways of many of the other four post lifts that have been sold in the last several years.

 

[SSpanky]

I have an Atlas 9000 and for clarification, it is movable. so far I am happy with the unit.

 

[SitDown]

Pricing on the BYB cleared them off my search, but FYI to ppl interested since I was unable to find anything before calling

BYB 9k - $5995
BYB 9K Ext Height - $6895
Sliding Jack - $1895 (car)
Sliding Jack - $1995 (truck)


The Atlas 9000 Combo with (2) Jacks for $4100 looks to be the best deal. If no other lifts comes to light, may just have a friend gusset and weld an extra beefy lip to outer edge(s) or runner(s). Not ideal, but something im considering right now.

The extra 3-4" of width the the bendpak provides still wouldn't be enough, and it being another $1500 for it with 2 jacks sets it back as well.

 

[ndm]

Pricing on the BYB cleared them off my search, but FYI to ppl interested since I was unable to find anything before calling

BYB 9k - $5995
BYB 9K Ext Height - $6895
Sliding Jack - $1895 (car)
Sliding Jack - $1995 (truck)


The Atlas 9000 Combo with (2) Jacks for $4100 looks to be the best deal. If no other lifts comes to light, may just have a friend gusset and weld an extra beefy lip to outer edge(s) or runner(s). Not ideal, but something im considering right now.

The extra 3-4" of width the the bendpak provides still wouldn't be enough, and it being another $1500 for it with 2 jacks sets it back as well.

screw that

i would rather get this one at those prices
http://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/bendpak-hd-14t-4-post-tall-car-lift-82-inch-rise-p/bendpakhd-14t.htm

http://www.bendpak.com/HD-14T_BendPak_Extra_Tall_Four_Post_Lift_REVISED_2014.pdf

 

[ndm]

Wait???

I am confused. according to ford, the track width on the 2017 raptor is at 74 inches. Are you sure that yours is at 86 inch? Thats a whole foot wider than the factory ford rating of the newest raptor.

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/microsites/f150raptor/img/f-150_raptorprintedplus.pdf

2014 raptor specs below

Wheelbase SuperCab: 133.3 SuperCrew: 145.2
Length SuperCab: 220.6 SuperCrew: 232.1
Width not
including mirrors 86.3

Track, front/rear 73.6
https://www.gat-sales.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2014_Raptor_Specs.pdf

 

[nuc1]

Your numbers for the Bendpak HD-9XW appear to be off. It has 86 1/2" drivethru clearance.
My 2011 Tundra with aftermarket wheels/tires is 86 1/4" wide and it fits no problem.

See pic below:

 

[SitDown]

Thanks for info. Yea, BYB is out. That 14k bendpak looks nice, but still $5,145+ and not incl bridge jacks, so well north of $7k with 2 jacks.

We thought it out a bit more, likely going to make the extension pieces, basically beefy L brackets with gussets. We will powdercoat them to match and bolt them on, so no need to put a grinder to a brand new powdercoat

can then choose from many more lift options, but still likely to end up doing a combo package through greg smith

Wait???

I am confused. according to ford, the track width on the 2017 raptor is at 74 inches. Are you sure that yours is at 86 inch? Thats a whole foot wider than the factory ford rating of the newest raptor.

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/microsites/f150raptor/img/f-150_raptorprintedplus.pdf

2014 raptor specs below

Wheelbase SuperCab: 133.3 SuperCrew: 145.2
Length SuperCab: 220.6 SuperCrew: 232.1
Width not
including mirrors 86.3

Track, front/rear 73.6
https://www.gat-sales.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2014_Raptor_Specs.pdf

Most raptor owners run zero offset 17x8.5" wheels, leaving them just a bit beyond flush of the fenders ~87", and depending on tire mfr could closer to 90"+. I've forgotten the OE specs, might be accurate, though that might be using std f150 track width. Raptors are 7" wider than std f150, then OE offset to Zero offset wheels adds another 3" (1.5" per side).

 

[ndm]

Thanks for info. Yea, BYB is out. That 14k bendpak looks nice, but still $5,145+ and not incl bridge jacks, so well north of $7k with 2 jacks.

We thought it out a bit more, likely going to make the extension pieces, basically beefy L brackets with gussets. We will powdercoat them to match and bolt them on, so no need to put a grinder to a brand new powdercoat

can then choose from many more lift options, but still likely to end up doing a combo package through greg smith




Most raptor owners run zero offset 17x8.5" wheels, leaving them just a bit beyond flush of the fenders ~87", and depending on tire mfr could closer to 90"+. I've forgotten the OE specs, might be accurate, though that might be using std f150 track width. Raptors are 7" wider than std f150, then OE offset to Zero offset wheels adds another 3" (1.5" per side).

Im just saying...you have an interesting conundrum here. If it were me, I would simply get the best lift I could with the capacity and then I would weld up my own ramps that would clear the high part of the lift lock mechanism in each side and then get some diamond plate or something to lay across the runways to widen them. The atlas has 97" of drive thru clearance so adding a little plate to widen it would not be that hard..

I dont know. It just sounds like you are putting too much into this.

If you don't care about storage as you said on your post in the ford raptor forums then screw it, just get a 2 post and save yourself the headache. For the cost of one BYB I could buy a very capable 4 post and a 2 post. Ever think about that? If you could do the maintenance on the 2 post and store your SS and stang on the 4 post.

Yeah...That is it! Get this http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-Garage-Pro-8000-EXT

and this
http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-9KBP

Voila! Problem solved. If the floorplan is correct that you posted then you have plenty of space and no need to get the jacks at all. You can mount the 2 post where the truck is and the 4 post where you have it.

Now if you really value the open wide open floor space in the double area with two cars then get an Asymetric lift and the posts will be not far behind the 4 post. basically just behind the mirrors on the raptor.

 

[SitDown]

Great feedback guys, thanks!

Your numbers for the Bendpak HD-9XW appear to be off. It has 86 1/2" drivethru clearance.
My 2011 Tundra with aftermarket wheels/tires is 86 1/4" wide and it fits no problem.

See pic below:

Pics are very helpful, thanks. I really overlooked the lower drive-thru clearance in the hunt, the #s i posted were different measurements, but glad you pointed this out.. Looks to be a perfect fit for you, not wasting any garage space with overall width that's not needed. The post to post width would be ideal for me , but seeing how close your tundra is at the "drive thru clearance", i might very well need wider than the 9XW offers.

Im just saying...you have an interesting conundrum here. If it were me, I would simply get the best lift I could with the capacity and then I would weld up my own ramps that would clear the high part of the lift lock mechanism in each side and then get some diamond plate or something to lay across the runways to widen them. The atlas has 97" of drive thru clearance so adding a little plate to widen it would not be that hard..

I dont know. It just sounds like you are putting too much into this.

If you don't care about storage as you said on your post in the ford raptor forums then screw it, just get a 2 post and save yourself the headache. For the cost of one BYB I could buy a very capable 4 post and a 2 post. Ever think about that? If you could do the maintenance on the 2 post and store your SS and stang on the 4 post.

Yeah...That is it! Get this http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-Garage-Pro-8000-EXT

and this
http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-9KBP

Voila! Problem solved. If the floorplan is correct that you posted then you have plenty of space and no need to get the jacks at all. You can mount the 2 post where the truck is and the 4 post where you have it.

Now if you really value the open wide open floor space in the double area with two cars then get an Asymetric lift and the posts will be not far behind the 4 post. basically just behind the mirrors on the raptor.

Totally get your layout and maximizing usage with 2 lifts. The 4 post with jacks allows me to get most function in one garage spot. I'd love the 2nd lift, and specifically a 2 post for just wrenching and 4 post for parking. I just forsee to many headaches from the long haired housemate if she parked on that side Gotta be realistic, plus the 2nd lift bolted on that side does limit some garage flexibility. As for storage not being a concern on FRF, not sure I follow

The atlas 8k would be the better bargain since the narrower runner width would be less concern as we'd be extending it anyways. That said, not figuring any mechanical differences, i do prefer the 9k style with cables within the post, vs 8k with exposed (With exposed cables you do loose some clearance as well). As discovered from @nuc1, The lower drive through portion does look to be only 84" on the 8k, 9k gives you another 13".

8k

9k

FYI regarding those baseplate lifts, a friend has the atlas overhead one as well as the atlas baseplate lift. With his big Ford Excurison, the baseplate lift will bow inward slightly compared to the overhead. Dont recall models, but both were 9k+ rated. just thought id toss that out there for anyone else debating the 2. Most ppl who chose the baseplate version have a garage door or height conflict though.