Wireless Internet option for barn

[Dirtmerchant]

@Showkey,

I have Xfinity cable/internet and phone. The modem is a combo wifi and phone so I'm pretty much stuck with their equipment. I have tried running their modem in bridged mode with my own wifi router and it was a total pain in the ****. I think I have that terminology correct.

I'd ditch the phone but I need it for our alarm system unless I convert to cellular which will push up monthly costs.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

how long is the wire run?

 

[Showkey]

@Showkey,

I have Xfinity cable/internet and phone. The modem is a combo wifi and phone so I'm pretty much stuck with their equipment. I have tried running their modem in bridged mode with my own wifi router and it was a total pain in the ****. I think I have that terminology correct.

I'd ditch the phone but I need it for our alarm system unless I convert to cellular which will push up monthly costs.

I feel your pain......screwed around with this for a long time.

I am on Spectrum ( Charter) now, I had exfinity in another home.
Both places I used their cable modem ( “free” included ) for TV, internet and phone service. Used my router several brands before the ORBI. I have since ditch the phone service, but the only change was the bill. Modem is the same device now used for TV and internet.

Exfinity appears to allow customer owned and rented cable modems. With multiple choices.

https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/upgrade-modem

https://www.xfinity.com/support/devices/#unauth

Side bar......I converted my heart monitor and alarm to cellular service. Pacemaker device manufacturer paid for the conversion device as they said they no longer want to support land line data transmission.

 

[Dirtmerchant]

@wyliesdiesels,

Using GIS I'd say approximately
50' from Main breaker box to pool sub-panel mounted on house.
95' from sub-panel to splice at pool equipment pad
185' from pool equipment pad to breaker box in shop
25' from shop breaker box to outlet.
355' total giver or take 20'

Rod

 

[Dirtmerchant]

@Showkey,

When you were on Xfinity, was it their all in one wireless modem? A few years ago they had me on a separate phone modem and my own Motorola Surfboard cable modem and separate wireless router. Then Xfinity came out with this all in one, I tried using it with their wifi turned off with my wifi plugged into Ethernet. We were constantly dropping service and finally gave up when their top tier said it really doesn't work well that way.

I'd love to not have to use their equipment but my security guy has not increased his monitoring rates in 25-years and will cost me a lot if I cut out the phone and move to cell.

 

[Dirtmerchant]

I spoke to Netgear technical support. She said distance does NOT matter with this product as long as I am on the same wiring system....

 

[wyliesdiesels]

I feel your pain......screwed around with this for a long time.

I am on Spectrum ( Charter) now, I had exfinity in another home.
Both places I used their cable modem ( “free” included ) for TV, internet and phone service. Used my router several brands before the ORBI. I have since ditch the phone service, but the only change was the bill. Modem is the same device now used for TV and internet.

Exfinity appears to allow customer owned and rented cable modems. With multiple choices.

https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/upgrade-modem

https://www.xfinity.com/support/devices/#unauth

Side bar......I converted my heart monitor and alarm to cellular service. Pacemaker device manufacturer paid for the conversion device as they said they no longer want to support land line data transmission.

its called Xfinity. Just a brand name for Comcast services. Like AT&T Uverse or Charter Spectrum

Yes comcast allows customers to use their own equipment for internet and phone service. But not TV because there is no consumer equipment for sale for TV set top boxes

I only have internet with them and have my own modem and divorced wireless router.

Have had this setup for years without issue.

@wyliesdiesels,

Using GIS I'd say approximately
50' from Main breaker box to pool sub-panel mounted on house.
95' from sub-panel to splice at pool equipment pad
185' from pool equipment pad to breaker box in shop
25' from shop breaker box to outlet.
355' total giver or take 20'

Rod

Based on distance specs from other manufacturers Id say thats too far.

@Showkey,

When you were on Xfinity, was it their all in one wireless modem? A few years ago they had me on a separate phone modem and my own Motorola Surfboard cable modem and separate wireless router. Then Xfinity came out with this all in one, I tried using it with their wifi turned off with my wifi plugged into Ethernet. We were constantly dropping service and finally gave up when their top tier said it really doesn't work well that way.

I'd love to not have to use their equipment but my security guy has not increased his monitoring rates in 25-years and will cost me a lot if I cut out the phone and move to cell.

They fed you BS so they could continue to rent equipment from you. It works just fine with customer owned equipment.

I also have clients that rent comcast gateways(business customers have no choice) and turn off the wireless and firewall and use IP passthrough to use their own firewall and wireless APs. again works just fine and i know of lots of companies that have this setup

I spoke to Netgear technical support. She said distance does NOT matter with this product as long as I am on the same wiring system....

yeah i highly doubt that. everything has distance limitations

 

[Dirtmerchant]

@Wyliediesels,

Thank you for your reply. I decided to take one last shot at it and wired an 3 prong outlet directly to the breaker in the shop in the odd chance that there was a problem between the box and the wall outlet I have been using. Connected to slot 1, nothing; connected to slot 3; nothing..... I'm out of idea's and think I'm done f'n with it.

Sooooo, if I'm starting out fresh with my own equipment for phone and internet, what would you recommend?

I do have a Linksys E8350 wifi router and a Motorola Surfboard modem that I've got laying around and could use, they are a few years old. That said, I don't mind buying new to get service in the shop.
https://www.linksys.com/us/support-article?articleNum=143699

Thanks!!!

Rod

 

[wyliesdiesels]

@Wyliediesels,

Thank you for your reply. I decided to take one last shot at it and wired an 3 prong outlet directly to the breaker in the shop in the odd chance that there was a problem between the box and the wall outlet I have been using. Connected to slot 1, nothing; connected to slot 3; nothing..... I'm out of idea's and think I'm done f'n with it.

Sooooo, if I'm starting out fresh with my own equipment for phone and internet, what would you recommend?

I do have a Linksys E8350 wifi router and a Motorola Surfboard modem that I've got laying around and could use, they are a few years old. That said, I don't mind buying new to get service in the shop.
https://www.linksys.com/us/support-article?articleNum=143699

Thanks!!!

Rod

you would have to pay for a second service with that route.

why not do a wireless bridge with ubiquiti nanostation M5 AC radios? then plug in the wireless router in the shop. be sure to turn DHCP off on it before you do. Program the SSIDs/passwords to be the same as the wireless router in the house so you can roam between both.

 

[JOE.G]

In my home I have 2 https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-AC5300/ One is a node ( I really only need one but I have the 2nd so I use it.

100 Ft away I have https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-AC3100/

Now I used it in Node mode and I did have internet out at the shop which is 100 FT away, I have since changed it from a node to a router and I am using the Nano station, I need to tweak it a bit for better speeds.

In my home I use teh spectrum modem for the phone and I use a MOTOROLA MB8600 DOCSIS 3.1 Cable Modem, 6 Gbps Max Speed I have spectrum.

The nodes Are a Mesh type system I believe you would call it from ASUS

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0723599RQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Showkey]

In my home I have 2 https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-AC5300/ One is a node ( I really only need one but I have the 2nd so I use it.

100 Ft away I have https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-AC3100/

Now I used it in Node mode and I did have internet out at the shop which is 100 FT away, I have since changed it from a node to a router and I am using the Nano station, I need to tweak it a bit for better speeds.

In my home I use teh spectrum modem for the phone and I use a MOTOROLA MB8600 DOCSIS 3.1 Cable Modem, 6 Gbps Max Speed I have spectrum.

The nodes Are a Mesh type system I believe you would call it from ASUS

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0723599RQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

OP a needs modem for cable supplied phone service. That modem in the link does not support phone.
So.......Use the COMCAST/exfinity modem for the the phone. Turn off the built in WiFi or just ignore it.

Plan B run a second owner supplied modem for internet from the COMCAST/exfinity approved list. Use a quality mesh Router on this modem to supply wifi to the property. You would/might have call Comcast to activate the modem during initial install.

Obviously the cable TV is not effected by the modem choice.

 

[Dirtmerchant]

Thanks guys, I'll do some research and check back to let you know what I ended up doing.

For anyone reading the posts regarding the Powerline adapters, my conclusion is they work very well within the confines of my house. The customer support claimed they will work regardless of the wire distance but this was not the case for me.

 

[JOE.G]

I know , Comcast may have an approved Phone/Net modem that fits his needs spectrum did not which is why I kept their modem for phone and use the one I linked to for Net. It did take 24 HRS for Modem to activate after they activated it.

 

[Denwood]

Thanks guys, I'll do some research and check back to let you know what I ended up doing.

For anyone reading the posts regarding the Powerline adapters, my conclusion is they work very well within the confines of my house. The customer support claimed they will work regardless of the wire distance but this was not the case for me.

Worth a try...it does sound like the +300 feet is your issue.

So we’re back to a wireless bridge as your best option. You mentioned that line of site requires some height at both ends, correct? This so the more difficult route, but it will work for sure as long as you can get at least partially clear of trees.

 

[BriSco]

Why not run fiber? Much less hassle other that burying it.
A pair of media converters. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0716XT1QT/?coliid=I2PSRE4IX9MNAP&colid=30RWAP5MUF5ZN&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Fiber in whatever length you need it. This requires conduit. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01I2EH27Y/?coliid=I27Q84SR6T9VO1&colid=30RWAP5MUF5ZN&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Then whatever wifi access point inside the building.