Wireless Router

[FEVERinc]

The router for my shop has officially died. Trying to decided on a new router.

I run an internet based business with an install facility. We will be moving into a 4,000 square foot single story facility. What wireless router do you use or what would you recommendation why?

I'm going to pull the trigger on something hopefully today so I can get it here this week. Not having it is killing me.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Netgear Nighthawk R7000.

Great dual band router that does beamforming.

Ive installed lots of these! And i have one at my house!

Netgear makes faster nighthawks but unless your device can handle the speed(most devices cant) theres no point in spending an extra $100-$200 for the higher end units.

 

[nafterclifen]

Netgear Nighthawk R7000.

Great dual band router that does beamwidth forming.

Ive installed lots of these! And i have one at my house!

Netgear makes faster nighthawks but unless your device can handle the speed(most devices cant) theres no point in spending an extra $100-$200 for the higher end units.

Agreed. Have one and love it.

 

[FEVERinc]

That was actually the one I was looking at... good to know there are two good reviews for it

 

[sni-per]

Netgear Nighthawk R7000.

Great dual band router that does beamwidth forming.

Ive installed lots of these! And i have one at my house!

Netgear makes faster nighthawks but unless your device can handle the speed(most devices cant) theres no point in spending an extra $100-$200 for the higher end units.

^^^^X3......I have one too. strong signal.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Whoops forgot the link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00F0...ords=r7000&dpPl=1&dpID=41MfXitXjeL&ref=plSrch

The R7000 is AC1900 which means it will do max 1900Mbps. But as I said, unless your devices can operate on AC wireless at those rates, then the high speed wireless rates dont matter. The iPhone 6plus and the new 6s are the only iPhones that can do AC(802.11ac) wireless. My iPhone 5s does A wireless(802.11a) which is on 5ghz band.

Older devices only work on the 2.4Ghz band.

Netgear just came out with the fastest wireless router ever (an AC5300):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015P...ords=r8500&dpPl=1&dpID=411WNNZSKQL&ref=plSrch

And Asus' version looks like something from outer space:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0167...ords=r8500&dpPl=1&dpID=41vxRrwXgmL&ref=plSrch

Again, unless your hosts can handle the speed, its not worth shelling out the extra cash. The R700 is a good middle of the road router.

The beamforming is the key thing u want plus dual band and external antennas!

 

[Showkey]

These guys can be trusted:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-router/

 

[wyliesdiesels]

These guys can be trusted:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-router/

Their top pick *****. The C7 doesnt have beamforming which is a must IMPO(in my professional opinion)especially for environments with noise and interference such as a metal building. Plus no QOS!

Thats a lame review!

Their other pick (the archer C8) does have beamforming.

 

[ddawg16]

I assume your going to feed this from a managed switch?

 

[dogdog]

Netgear **** balls... IMO.... worse support I ever had since they moved to India.

I would go with the Asus RT series had one for over 3 years and still love it with the Asus Merlin 3rd party firmware with SSH enabled.

I have the older still supported rt-N66U, but if I needed another would just go for the asus merlin supported ones.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bkfq2a6aebq68/Asuswrt-Merlin


Reason:
you can remote and tunnel from remote locations to any computer in your network with SSH or VPN single user of cause but great to manage some stuff.
does print server if you have a needed to print serve your usb printer.
does basic file server off the USB port
does Guest Network if you wanted to share your wifi without letting guest accessing your private network.
external antenna..... probably you could find a good amplified antenna for long distance communication....
Does support some sort of 2nd external internet links off USB or wifi tether to your phone's in case your primary goes down.
Plus other functions I don't even use....

 

[wyliesdiesels]

I assume your going to feed this from a managed switch?

A managed switch for a home or shop?

Thats overkill!

Netgear **** balls... IMO.... worse support I ever had since they moved to India.

I would go with the Asus RT series had one for over 3 years and still love it with the Asus Merlin 3rd party firmware with SSH enabled.

I have the older still supported rt-N66U, but if I needed another would just go for the asus merlin supported ones.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bkfq2a6aebq68/Asuswrt-Merlin


Reason:
you can remote and tunnel from remote locations to any computer in your network with SSH or VPN single user of cause but great to manage some stuff.
does print server if you have a needed to print serve your usb printer.
does basic file server off the USB port
does Guest Network if you wanted to share your wifi without letting guest accessing your private network.
external antenna..... probably you could find a good amplified antenna for long distance communication....
Does support some sort of 2nd external internet links off USB or wifi tether to your phone's in case your primary goes down.
Plus other functions I don't even use....

My netgear Nighthawk R7000 does all that and more!

 

[firworks]

Wow I need that Asus techno obelisk of doom. I actually could use an AC router though... I've got gigabit internet and all my computers except for the XBox One are connected on N wireless.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Wow I need that Asus techno obelisk of doom. I actually could use an AC router though... I've got gigabit internet and all my computers except for the XBox One are connected on N wireless.

Gigabit internet from who?

 

[firworks]

Gigabit internet from who?

ITV-3. They're actually owned by the local video store! I've got Fiber in my house right up to the back of my modem. It was cheaper than Comcast too and a million times more reliable. However now that Comcast has lost all the customers in this are they're offering like 100/15 internet with a home security system and TV and Phone for like 29.99$ but I'm never going back if I can help it.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Damn! I wish i could get service like that. Owned by your local video store? Man the owners must be rich! Fiber aint cheap to deploy! And @ $80/mon, it would take 100s of years to pay off!

The best thing we have is Uverse @ upto 50Mbps bonded pairs. Its FTTN, which is about 1000' from me.

Comcast is max 150Mbps but i cant stand their customer service. So I have Uverse @ 18Mbps!

I live about an hour from silicone valley and im sure theres some FTTP out there but not like other areas of the country. For some reason, California has all the tech companies but our internet is still sh*tty!

 

[ddawg16]

The router for my shop has officially died. Trying to decided on a new router.

I run an internet based business with an install facility.

A managed switch for a home or shop?

Thats overkill!

Is it really?

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Is it really?

Ok let me put it another way.

Why do u think he needs a managed switch for a wireless router that is manaegable?

 

[ddawg16]

It's a business.....another layer to protect everyone. MAC cloning is easy

 

[dogdog]

A managed switch for a home or shop?

Thats overkill!



My netgear Nighthawk R7000 does all that and more!

ok.... just bad taste of the company I guess.... will never use them.

 

[dogdog]

It's a business.....another layer to protect everyone. MAC cloning is easy

????? what does managed switch have anything to do with this ?

 

[wyliesdiesels]

It's a business.....another layer to protect everyone. MAC cloning is easy

Your point?

A managed switch has WAY MORE features than would be needed for anyone other than an IT company. The OP doesnt need it. A managed switch can handle routing, traffic flow, VLANs(which i can do on the R7000), etc to name a few. If All the OP has is a few machines/hosts and phones, there is no point in a managed switch in that environment. Its not needed!

BTW I can do MAC filtering on my netgear r7000, which i dont cause theres no point.

And if I did have MAC filtering on and someone cloned a MAC address of one of my devices, i could easily see it on my router and deal with it accordingly. But seeing as someone would have to be sitting outside my house on their laptop to do this, I could just walk outside and scare them off. And they would have to be sitting outside for a long time to crack my WiFi password just to get on my network.

So your idea is moot!

I dont think u know the reason for or the purpose of a managed switch.

 

[Showkey]

Their top pick *****. The C7 doesnt have beamforming which is a must IMPO(in my professional opinion)especially for environments with noise and interference such as a metal building. Plus no QOS!

Thats a lame review!

Their other pick (the archer C8) does have beamforming.

Sorry......... but I use a C7 and C8 ( in two different properties ) and both work perfect in a home/ shop and shop that is 50' from the house. 60Mps is the norm in the shop ( with metal siding inside, Vinyl siding stick construction.). Replaced a dlink and netgear AC 1200 that was a POS and caused constant problems.

For the money .......Archer stuff works for us non professionals.

 

[dave*99]

A managed switch for a home or shop?

Thats overkill!



My netgear Nighthawk R7000 does all that and more!

+1 on the Netgear R7000. Mine works great. I had 2 wireless routers at opposite ends of the house prior to getting the R7000. Now I only need the R7000 to cover the whole house.

 

[FEVERinc]

Just a little update... I run a website BUT it is not hosted at this location. It is essentially an e-commerce site. I need to be able to access the back side of the site so I can edit products, check orders, etc. Key thing is reliability. Next is speed but I can't really afford super fast internet (They charge so much more for business internet services compared to home services that I can't afford it at the shop).

We also do vehicle installations in the shop and having the ability to connect to the internet inside the shop (office is inside the shop with basic drywall put up inside) is beneficial in case we need to update software on a product that is already installed in a vehicle or reference wiring diagrams etc.

I would like to also be able to access my security system from a remote location if need be. I don't think i need anything TOO extreme but want something reliable, speedy and in the $200 ish range. The r7000 seems to fit the bill.

 

[roguegts]

I just upgraded to the Asus rt-ac 3200 and am using my rt ac68P as an access point. Truthfully, the ac68p alone is way more than most people will ever need, and has some upgraded internals over the 68u. For the price it's hard to beat.

 

[BCreekDave]

Is the managed switch overkill? Hard to tell by the info given. The r7000 would be a good solution for the wifi needs, but the "internet based business" certainly invites more questions. Does the business also have cabled pc's? Is the Internet connection also shared with the home LAN? Are there any VOIP or camera systems in place? If so, than a managed or at least a smart switch may be entirely appropriate. I am personally not a big fan of wireless routers for business applications but rather a stand alone router-firewall with a separate WAP (wireless access point). It does not take much more time to install and the flexibility and reliability is much better. I have a 24 port gigabit smart switch in my 1700 sq ft home and have only 6 ports unused. I have all my tv's with Kodi boxes and with QOS tagging and an extensive home automation system. Without a smart switch or managed switch, it just wouldn't work. I tried. VOIP is especially sensitive to traffic priority. My point is on most of these type of network questions without knowing more about the needs it is difficult to just give a blanket answer "use blah blah router". It may work very well for you and be a very good router, but not everybody's needs are the same. My home install may be exceptional, or it may not be. There is also some merit in trying to plan for future improvements. Nuff' said.


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[FEVERinc]

We dont use any VOIP. have a standard phone line. My computers for the most part have wired connections. I do have a laptop I take out into the shop as well as tablets. Right now we have some wireless cameras, but the goal is to replace that will a dvr system that I can remote into when we move into the new shop.

 

[BCreekDave]

Than you can probation get by for now with just a wireless router and the r7000 is a decent one. Netgear is a good vendor. My only advice would be to stay away from linksys. My point in my reply is to keep an eye towards the future of your install. If you are only going to be in the house-garage for a few years, than go for what you need now. If however you are long term like me (and it helps if it is your hobby) than now may be a good time to make your purchase based on the future. Here is my wiring closet

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[ishiboo]

The router for my shop has officially died. Trying to decided on a new router.

I run an internet based business with an install facility. We will be moving into a 4,000 square foot single story facility. What wireless router do you use or what would you recommendation why?

I'm going to pull the trigger on something hopefully today so I can get it here this week. Not having it is killing me.

Ubiquiti EdgeRouter for the router, UAP-AC-PRO access point (or two) or you could try a LR (long range). Top-notch stuff, reasonable price points.

 

[FEVERinc]

Than you can probation get by for now with just a wireless router and the r7000 is a decent one. Netgear is a good vendor. My only advice would be to stay away from linksys. My point in my reply is to keep an eye towards the future of your install. If you are only going to be in the house-garage for a few years, than go for what you need now. If however you are long term like me (and it helps if it is your hobby) than now may be a good time to make your purchase based on the future. Here is my wiring closet

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i am so lost just looking at that lol

My shop isn't at my house. Long term Id love to have that setup. Right now im just a one man show so I gotta do what I can to get by.

Been at the current shop for six months and I'm moving in two months to triple my space because of growth.. But I want to make sure I can sustain the business at the new shop before i go a little too crazy.

 

[ddawg16]

Is the managed switch overkill? Hard to tell by the info given. The r7000 would be a good solution for the wifi needs, but the "internet based business" certainly invites more questions. Does the business also have cabled pc's? Is the Internet connection also shared with the home LAN? Are there any VOIP or camera systems in place? If so, than a managed or at least a smart switch may be entirely appropriate. I am personally not a big fan of wireless routers for business applications but rather a stand alone router-firewall with a separate WAP (wireless access point). It does not take much more time to install and the flexibility and reliability is much better. I have a 24 port gigabit smart switch in my 1700 sq ft home and have only 6 ports unused. I have all my tv's with Kodi boxes and with QOS tagging and an extensive home automation system. Without a smart switch or managed switch, it just wouldn't work. I tried. VOIP is especially sensitive to traffic priority. My point is on most of these type of network questions without knowing more about the needs it is difficult to just give a blanket answer "use blah blah router". It may work very well for you and be a very good router, but not everybody's needs are the same. My home install may be exceptional, or it may not be. There is also some merit in trying to plan for future improvements. Nuff' said.


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Someone gets it.

We dont use any VOIP. have a standard phone line. My computers for the most part have wired connections. I do have a laptop I take out into the shop as well as tablets. Right now we have some wireless cameras, but the goal is to replace that will a dvr system that I can remote into when we move into the new shop.

The cost of a managed switch is not much more....but when you're wanting to do remote access into your cameras, having a managed switch will give you the greater protection you want.

 

[BCreekDave]

Starting a business is huge and that's where your time needs to be for sure. Yeah, my wife is overwhelmed when she opens the closet door. It is also the broom closet! It helps sometimes to know a geek. I just set up the network for a friend who started s brew-pub. Free beer for life! Downside is it is 25 miles from home.


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[wyliesdiesels]

Than you can probation get by for now with just a wireless router and the r7000 is a decent one. Netgear is a good vendor. My only advice would be to stay away from linksys. My point in my reply is to keep an eye towards the future of your install. If you are only going to be in the house-garage for a few years, than go for what you need now. If however you are long term like me (and it helps if it is your hobby) than now may be a good time to make your purchase based on the future. Here is my wiring closet

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How long does that UPS/battery backup last u? Does it have AVR?

 

[BCreekDave]

About 35 minutes. The firewall sends a message to my cell phone when the power goes down(which fortunately isn't often) which gives me time to remotely check on everything in the house via camera and home automation and to gracefully shut things down. I also have an always on PC that handles the video recording (don't have cable..OTA only). Hard to believe, but in that closet I am only using 95 watts under normal conditions.


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[wyliesdiesels]

About 35 minutes. The firewall sends a message to my cell phone when the power goes down(which fortunately isn't often) which gives me time to remotely check on everything in the house via camera and home automation and to gracefully shut things down. I also have an always on PC that handles the video recording (don't have cable..OTA only). Hard to believe, but in that closet I am only using 95 watts under normal conditions.


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What brand of firewall do u have? Ive been looking for something that can alert me to outages. Hard to tell what everything is cause the pic is blurry...

 

[FEVERinc]

Someone gets it.




The cost of a managed switch is not much more....but when you're wanting to do remote access into your cameras, having a managed switch will give you the greater protection you want.

Starting a business is huge and that's where your time needs to be for sure. Yeah, my wife is overwhelmed when she opens the closet door. It is also the broom closet! It helps sometimes to know a geek. I just set up the network for a friend who started s brew-pub. Free beer for life! Downside is it is 25 miles from home.


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I think i will certainly have to lookinto all of this in the future and find someone to give me a hand getting it setup.

Moving into the new shop is already going to stretch me thin. my first priority is doing the shop floor but I'll probably only be able to afford half of it and then I'll need a lift and a decent compressor.

 

[BCreekDave]

It is a home built box using Pfsense open source software on a HP 5740 thin client hardware. Pfsense is great software. I used to use Watchguard and Sonicwalls and it is at least as good if not better than either of them.

Like most of my garage projects, I would rather build it than buy it. It is the tinkerer in me. I'm an engineer by profession and a toolmaker by trade and just like to know how things work.


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[Git]

The cost of a managed switch is not much more....but when you're wanting to do remote access into your cameras, having a managed switch will give you the greater protection you want.

Help me out here (because I don't know that much about managed switches) - but why would remote access be easier and why would you have more protection?

What about power draw and noisy fans?

 

[jeffmoss26]

Nice setup Dave.

 

[mobiledynamics]

BC Creek -

What is those things to the left...white. They look like a stack of Powerline adapters but they can't be just due to how they are stacked