Woodworking 101--Tools and Tips

[ScottsGT]

You are both correct

LOL! I didn't even notice the Camaro in the other photo. Damn, I want an early Camaro to go with my Mustang too!

So, mullet or no mullet?

 

[R_einan]

Definitely no mullet, though the Harley is in the other garage...

Besides, mullets are more 80's Camaro... '68 is pre mullet

 

[Bigmichaelkim]

Hello, I hope it's fine for me to post this here.

I bought these three tools at an estate sale for 6 dollars. I got them thinking what's there to lose, I was aware corsair is not a Stanley and the fact that the two hand saws had flaws such as missing screws and broken handles. But could someone please help me identify what brand and type these hand saws are like rip or cross cut and what brand the hand saw with the missing screw is? And just thoughts on the Corsair plane in general, it has plastic knob and tote. thanks in advance and pictures included


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[Craptain]

Welcome back Big Mike. You realize that you will see a couple of abbreviations of your screen name, and not just from me.

I don't know about the plane, other than it is made by Great Neck as stated on it. Generally these are budget tools that will do the job. Kinda Chevy versions rather than Cadillacs. Cleaned and sharpened it will be a user, unless it is damaged like the last one you posted.
The saws, I will make an educated guess at Disston. To know for sure you will have to carefully clean the blades to find the logo. Though I have to wonder if it is worth the effort. Good examples can be found for not a lot of money. I have never (yet) paid more than $10 for a saw. These are not a rare or collectable vintage. FYI the one on the left looks like a rip saw, and the one on the right a crosscut.

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[rrich1]

Somewhat woodworking...got the Brodhead Garrett vise apart today and soaking in degreaser.



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[jimreed2160]

CRS--Good score on the angle gizmo. Building a good house requires framing. It is the job of plumbers and electricians to mangle that framing whenever they can. This vintage tool-o-destruction really helped them.

Big Mike--Six dollars is a good place to start. No way you can overpay there. The saw on the left looks like a nice Disston. Fix the handle and clean up the plate. Tools like this are good to practice your rehab skills on. After cleanup, you can teach yourself how to sharpen a saw. That is a true lost art.

rrich--Good progress on the BG. That is a really good vise. I am still waiting to see what you do with the handle.

 

[CRSINMICH]

jim: The angle attachment is well made but it's hard to believe that it would have worked very well unless the user had three hands. Plumbers and electricians must have thought so too because it was only offered for 20-25 years. I think I'll give it a try though.

rrich: My BG has been my only woodworking vise for 25 years or more. I don't have any complaints. It holds what I want held.

 

[rossddvm]

I bought this plane at a garage sale this week end. Thinking it would be a good place to start on trying a restoration project. It looks complete and undamaged to me.It says Made in the USA, but I see no other info on it. I am thinking I just need to disassemble. clean up the rust, sharpen the blade and use paste wax on the metal parts for reassembly. Only cost $5. Any info on the plane or tips on the process are appreciated.




By the way, until I joined garage journal I had no idea restoring old planes was a thing. Now here I am with a huge project list and I think I should restore an old plane on top of everything else. WTF?????

 

[CRSINMICH]

ross: There is lots of good information on this thread about restorations. For a good tutorial, go to You Tube and look for Paul Sellers. He has several videos about planes. The most thorough is the one that is just over an hour long. Cleaning and de-rusting is usually fairly quick and easy. Oh yeah! Restoring planes is a thing. Good luck on yours. Be sure to post some AFTER photos and then get started on some of your other projects.

 

[jimreed2160]

CRS--I got out into the shop today early and found these.

The attachment is by Millers Falls and the brace is by Stanley.

rrich--Your BG vise is further along than mine--it is still on the floor under the grinder.

Good luck with your restoration.

 

[jimreed2160]

Ross--Welcome aboard. If you cruise backward in the thread you will find several bench plane rehabs. The process will be simple for you because that plane is in pretty good shape. Just knock off the rust, sharpen the blade, and make some shavings. Good luck.

 

[jimreed2160]

rrich--I have been meaning to respond to your question about sandpaper. My disorganized shop was a mess when it came to abrasives. But I got control of it when I put in my first set of drawers. All of the abrasives are in the right hand side of that workbench. The bottom drawer is deep and it contains spindle sander tubes and a large roll of belt sander abrasive.

The next drawer up has fine sheet paper.

Next drawer has Scotchbrite pads, sanding disks, and more flat paper.

Next has more misc.

I keep the spindle sanding accessories in this drawer also. Here they are in use.

Hope this tour helps your planning.

 

[foghorn1966]

Ross - I have to ask.... How many vises do you own now too? Me from two to six-ish.

 

[jimreed2160]

Hex handle project

I was browsing a tool website and found an idea to borrow. Since it was cool in the shop this morning I got busy early. The idea is allen wrench handles for those times you really need torque.

I decided to use some hickory because it is tough and I have lots around the shop.

I used the plane to smooth the edges after I ripped two strips from the big board. My rehabbed #4 did a nice job.

Time for some chamfering. I like this large throat on my Parker carriagemakers vise. I need the corner because of the wings on the chamfer cutter.

The old Preston shave did a great job and did it quickly.

Then I ganged them together and split them with the bandsaw.

I made some kerfs with the tablesaw and finished the cut with a Japanese chisel.

But it was weak and two large splinters broke out.

But I cut extras and the second one came out just fine.

Perfect.

Then I made a larger one.

No time to celebrate. By the time I finished it was 10:30 and sweat was dripping from my face. Time to scurry inside and play with the new kitties. I hope I get a chance to use these new handles sometime soon.

 

[Bigmichaelkim]

Hey guys thanks for all your help. I am looking to put my Stanley hand plane I took apart back together and while I think I accounted for everything, I have two pieces hat came out of the plane that I am reallly not sure where it belongs. If someone could help me identify what piece this is and where I should place it, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.


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[Bigmichaelkim]

The plane is a type 11 no 4 Stanley hand plane.


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[jimreed2160]

Bigmike--Those are not Stanley parts. They may have been used on top of the frog screws as washers or on the bottom of the frog as spacers between the frog and sole.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Bigmike and ross: Here is a diagram of plane anatomy that may be of help.

 

[dwasifar]

Glued it up with my morning coffee...

Man, that must be some thick coffee.

 

[Rickss96]

I bought this plane at a garage sale this week end. Any info on the plane or tips on the process are appreciated.

Ross, maybe I can help. When this thread started Jim Reed and several others began posting nice descriptions and especially pictures of plane restoration steps. Have tried to keep track of some of the post numbers so maybe these can help you too.

edge cleanup plane - fixing the blade edge Post#1164
good pix of repair of edge in bad shape

Can This Plane Be Saved #1582
Phase 1
PHASE 2- Disassembly and Assessment #1615
Phase 2B - The Frog #1629, #1630
Phase 2C - Bosses on the Bed #1648, #1650

restoring my No. 5: #1788

cleanup of a Type 11 Stanley Bailey #5C bench plane #1868, #1869

things to watch for:
- see the crack! - in a #6 #1882

Rehabing a plane blade #1890, #1892

Hope this helps

 

[rrich1]

Jimreed: thanks for the sanding pics. Can you get a better pic of the vice handle? I see yours is a pipe. I don't have the piece where your pipe goes through. Is that original? Can you get me a pic of that piece?

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[jimreed2160]

Jimreed: thanks for the sanding pics. Can you get a better pic of the vice handle? I see yours is a pipe. I don't have the piece where your pipe goes through. Is that original? Can you get me a pic of that piece?

Here are some pictures of the handle.

Previous owner used a bolt to attach it. I took that off.

This is why a ww needs a vise with pipe jaws.

Front view.

The screw has a 1" diameter. That is the same as the one on my Rock Island quick release vise.

You may have noticed a stray piece on the screw end of the handle. It looks like a stray piece of sprue. Wonder why the factory dudes let it go??? Methinks I will grind it off.

Hope these pictures help. The handle piece was broken on my Rock Island vise and I was able to cobble up a fix. Vise gurus had a fit with my redneck repair so now I am using plumbing fittings to make one that looks better.

 

[rrich1]

Jimreed: Thanks. I definitely don't have that piece. I could make due with what I have and just have a slimmer rod or try and fab something up with some plumbing pieces.

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[jimreed2160]

Here is my start with plumbing fittings. I think it will turn out OK.

I will post pictures as I progress.

 

[cheechi]

Hammers.

So I see somewhat often in this thread and especially at the ww stores the beech mallets, shaker and carver's style, and so on. Jim likes old ones, everyone else's look pretty new or at least not abused. And so on.

For years I would either use a rubber mallet (the replaceable face style ones most of the time) or a framing hammer with a scrap of 2x4 to prevent dents. Then I got dead blow hammers after all the noise on this forum about the HF dead blows. After using the 1-1/2 and 2lb dead blows in the shop for woodworking stuff they're more or less permanently stolen from my mechanics tool chest.

Anyway, so the typical beech ww style mallet. Trapezoid or curved trapezoid shape on the mail itself. so if you need to hit something, you're going to hit it on the top edge not really square on the face. Your natural tendency is to hit something square, even if you have bad aim you're going to swing with enough force to otherwise have golf-swing-esque followthrough. Are these meant to be used like a croquet mallet rather than like a typical hammer? If not seems like maybe i'm missing why they are still valuable in a modern shop, even one where you do only hand work. Even jim's most recent photo with a hammer that has his Japanese hammer in it.

 

[Ainsley]

Got the brass pins all trimmed up flush and sanded nicely tonight.

The tool/jig I used to do it, just a polycarbonate and uhmw sub base for my Bosch colt. I love this little router, which is why I have two and would like a other one.

 

[pfaustus]

The Millers Falls angle attachment can work with only two hands with a breast drill. I found using it with a brace requires three or more.

 

[madison069]

I picked up this nice plane and saw yesterday, figured y'all would appreciate them. They will go in my wood room tool collection.

 

[CRSINMICH]

pfaustus: I never thought of using the angle borer with a breast drill. I guess I was thinking it would be used to bore holes in rafters like jim described. It sounds like you've actually used one.

madison: Those are some nice tools you got. That plane looks like NOS. There's hardly a scratch on it. I can't read very much of what is stamped into the top of that backsaw. I can read enough to say that it's probably a Disston. They used that peculiar shortening of Philadelphia. I can see an H and probably an E above that. Keep reading. It probably says Henry Disston & Sons but it might say Son. If it only says Son you've got a great old saw that can be dated to within a few years. Henry brought his first son into the business immediately after the Civil War. The rest followed soon after that. I recently found one with no Sons or no Son - Just Henry Disston. Great score on both tools.

Here is a catalog page from 1972 showing a Craftsman plane like yours.

 

[rossddvm]

Ross - I have to ask.... How many vises do you own now too? Me from two to six-ish.

I was satisfied with the old Asian 4" vice I had for the last 30 years until I joined. This weekend I picked up 2 at a garage sale a 4" Asian tilt vice that I think will be useful. And a small clamp to the bench woodworkers vice that is Littco made in USA and I just thought looked cool. I bought a vice at a garage sale because I thought it was cool??? Huh?

CRSINMICH and Big Mike thanks for the help I had read some of Jim's restoration stuff, but mixed in 133 pages of woodworking and banter difficult to find all the info that's here. That is what got me interested in buying an old plane in the first place. An old made in USA plane and vice at a garage sale for $9 made for some GJ happiness.

 

[jimreed2160]

Cheechi--Actually I think the big jointers mallets are specifically for pounding tenons into mortices. Think doors and such. I sometimes use mine by sliding it on the bench and that helps registration.

Ainsley--Cute router. My big routers are screaming and intimidating. It does seem that the junior model would be easier to handle.

PF--When I was a kid I used my chin to hold the brace pad. Wow, what a cramp it would make sometime. I have frequently used the pad on my chest like a breast drill. I always did it that way when I screwed hinges into the fencepost.

Madison--Good score on the CM plane. My second purchased plane was a CM #5 of about the same vintage in the early 1970s. My handles were dark so I guess yours is earlier.

Ross--You are speaking to me on vises. Keep up the good work. Counting the benches, I have (and use) about a dozen vises in my tiny workshop. It's like having a bunch of assistants around. Best part is they keep their pie holes shut. Add a few more, you will find a way to use them.

 

[Ainsley]

That is a thing of beauty right there. Really nice work.
How did you cut the decorative curves? Bandsaw? I know if I tried to cut a curve like that in 4" stock I'd be seeing blade deflection all over the cut.

The righter radius curves on the 4' long 4x4s I did with the bandsaw, on the larger pieces I used a jigsaw and finished with a belt sander. If I did it again I'd spend the time getting the first piece just how i wanted it, cut 1/8" or so off the line on the others and use a template router bit to trim them all identical.

Ainsley: great looking HONEY DO project for your wife (and you) with that cool trellis.

Thanks! I've started brewing beer with some guys from work so once the hops get going I'll harvest and dry them for the beer.

Ai--you'll need something to keep the trellis from wracking.

Looks to me like he's got the legs set in concrete.

Correct, I set the legs about 30" into concrete. Stone at the bottom and then just dry pack.

Ainsley--Good projects. Thanks for the pictures.

I'll try to keep updating with my progress.

 

[Ainsley]

Ainsley--Cute router. My big routers are screaming and intimidating. It does seem that the junior model would be easier to handle.

I use my little bosch Colt routers way more than my big multi-base bosch!

 

[madison069]

madison: Those are some nice tools you got. That plane looks like NOS. There's hardly a scratch on it. I can't read very much of what is stamped into the top of that backsaw. I can read enough to say that it's probably a Disston. They used that peculiar shortening of Philadelphia. I can see an H and probably an E above that. Keep reading. It probably says Henry Disston & Sons but it might say Son. If it only says Son you've got a great old saw that can be dated to within a few years. Henry brought his first son into the business immediately after the Civil War. The rest followed soon after that. I recently found one with no Sons or no Son - Just Henry Disston. Great score on both tools.

Here is a catalog page from 1972 showing a Craftsman plane like yours.

Thanks for the info! I also found out that the company on the card/tag is a resharping company so most likely this saw was resharpened recently. It does have son's on it so it's a later model. Should be a good fit in my wood shop area for use. As for the Craftsman plane I'm undecided on if I will keep and use it or sell it. Most likely I'll use it but going to sit on it until I start using my wood shop.

 

[rrich1]

Here is my start with plumbing fittings. I think it will turn out OK.

I will post pictures as I progress.

This was what I was thinking. Did you cut a piece of pipe for that or buy it like that?

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[jimreed2160]

This was what I was thinking. Did you cut a piece of pipe for that or buy it like that?

I purchased the fitting. Need two more for the wings. It reduces the inside diameter to exactly 1". The issue I am dealing with now is the thin wall where the pin attaches it to the screw. I would like something a little larger there. Just need to take it all to HD and play with their fittings until I find something I like. Then I need to buy enough for two or three sets because I will probably run into this problem again.

 

[CRSINMICH]

madison: You're welcome. I like doing that kind of research almost as much as I like rehabbing and using the tools. I knew that Bad Axe did sharpening so my guess was that someone failed to pick up their saw. Your saw could be quite old even with the SONS but since the name didn't change after that it could also be fairly new. By the way, have you ever heard of that rare and valuable postage stamp that was accidentally printed with a bi-plane upside down? Look carefully at the stamp and the medallion on your saw. You might have a HENRY DISSTON AND SNOS. There were a few made.

Here's a link to the Disston Institute site and a site for Stanley Planes.

http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/

http://www.hansbrunnertools.com/Stanley by numbers/Tips.htm

 

[rrich1]

Got the two pieces for the leg vise chop rough cut. Trying to decide on a size and shape. How wide are the tops of your leg vise? If I out it on the corner I've been planning on I have 8 inches to the center of the leg to the end of the bench. Is 10" to wide? Leaning towards the coffin style but unsure. Hickory for the face and southern yellow pine for the inside. The pine should be soft enough to not damage any work pieces.



Madison: I got one of those Craftsman planes earlier this year as well. Box and booklet included. Little smaller than the other #4 planes I have.

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[jimreed2160]

rrich--Get a little done each day and pretty soon you will be turning out projects on that bench.

 

[ADNICK]

Rich:

My chop is over 14" wide and there's advantages to wide chops, the only disadvantage is it takes a good screw to make one work right; Benchcrafted or a very large wood screw, like a Lake Erie....attached a photo.