Woodworking 101--Tools and Tips

[jar944]

That price seems a bit low to me (not that I object ), maybe you're talkin' well used and covered in saw dust for that price?

Any low price sources for a new one?

As far as i was aware amazon had them for 100 and change recently. I paid $39 for a NIB unit off ebay

 

[jar944]

That looks neat, any experience with that?

I have one but haven't used it. I bought it to use as parts to convert my hettich hinge borer to the more standard 9.5/45 pattern

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[acer66]

https://aboloxtools.com/CMT-Orange-Tools-CMT333?gclid=Cj0KCQiAk7TuBRDQARIsAMRrfUac7TUzbEWNLmWjU4gYR84lga5q6obW7643qmCwuytkEBwirJPVuSsaAteWEALw_wcB

It says
“ Modular base support included in the CMT333-03 set. This item is the 'Universal hinge boring system support' ONLY.

Note: This is not the complete system”

But I do not find a deeper explanation what that means.

 

[jar944]

That machine looks pretty cool, but I would never have space for something like that.

Speaking of space issues in the shop, I agreed to purchase this 16" jointer last night. I don't really have the space but I'll make it work some how.

8' long 44" wide at the motor (24" wide infeed table)

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[acer66]

Speaking of space issues in the shop, I agreed to purchase this 16" jointer last night. I don't really have the space but I'll make it work some how.

8' long 44" wide at the motor (24" wide infeed table)

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[jar944]

Pick your poison - do you want a hinge drilling jig that you use on a drill press or one that clamps to the work?

Yes, the Hettich jig is expensive, I actually bought it at another place for a little cheaper - I think it was around $200. BUT when you compare it to Blum's jig which cost around $340 - it's not a bad deal. It really works quite well

Assuming all three were the same cost id take the blum over the hettich just because there is no adjustment to make or screw up AND i use that pattern hinge bore. If there was any adjustability needed the hettich would be better.

The cmt needs too much setup on a drill press or bench.

 

[HenryAZ]

Cmt makes one like that. Currently around $100

Description says that price is for the support system only. You still have to purchase the boring heads.

 

[jar944]

Description says that price is for the support system only. You still have to purchase the boring heads.

Apparently i need to pay more attention to the descriptions.

At that price its a hard pass. You can buy used pneumatic boring machines all day long for $500.

 

[Prospecter]

Here's a homemade splitter I made for the Rockwell Model 10. I tried the Microjig splitter...several times...and it didn't work out. This one works great.

Could you post some pics and explanation about how you did this? I hope to flatter you with an imitation!

 

[ScottsGT]

When I remodeled my kitchen, I simply used a section of plywood with stops glued to it, clamped in on my drill press and then used a Forstner bit for the large hole. I drilled all the bottom holes, then flipped the jig 180° and drilled the top holes.
I only had to take time setting up the jig twice. Once the large hole was drilled, I dropped a hinge into place and drilled the mounting holes.
Unless I was running a production facility making cabinets, I could not see a need for this system. But if I was, I could not live without it.

 

[ScottsGT]

Here's a little project I've been working on for almost a year now. Well, not the woodworking part of it. But the base was built from a 6" X 24" piece of walnut I went dumpster diving for a few weeks back. We are in the process of moving at work, and this was a left over scrap that had been on the shelf for probably 20 years or longer.

I had to cut out some blocks and glue them on to the sides so it was wide enough for the wings. Upright "tail" was two pieces glued together and then I drilled it out for the acrylic rod to fit and then shaped on the belt sander. The rest of the base was rough cut on my band saw and then rough shaped using my M12 polisher with a 3" roloc 36 grit disc. Final sanding was done using a paint paddle with various grits of paper wrapped around it.

Here it is with the unit patch glued on and the model in place. I also had to shape the tail of the acrylic rod and polish it. This F-16D is THE plane my MD gets back seat time in as the Flight Surgeon for the SC Air National Guard out at McEntire AFB. I built it for him and hopefully next week I will deliver it to him after I get the AIM 120's and Sparrows painted and glued on.

Here he is, latex glove on and finger ready!

 

[mcdye]

Here's a little project I've been working on for almost a year now. Well, not the woodworking part of it. But the base was built from a 6" X 24" piece of walnut I went dumpster diving for a few weeks back. We are in the process of moving at work, and this was a left over scrap that had been on the shelf for probably 20 years or longer.

I had to cut out some blocks and glue them on to the sides so it was wide enough for the wings. Upright "tail" was two pieces glued together and then I drilled it out for the acrylic rod to fit and then shaped on the belt sander. The rest of the base was rough cut on my band saw and then rough shaped using my M12 polisher with a 3" roloc 36 grit disc. Final sanding was done using a paint paddle with various grits of paper wrapped around it.



Here it is with the unit patch glued on and the model in place. I also had to shape the tail of the acrylic rod and polish it. This F-16D is THE plane my MD gets back seat time in as the Flight Surgeon for the SC Air National Guard out at McEntire AFB. I built it for him and hopefully next week I will deliver it to him after I get the AIM 120's and Sparrows painted and glued on.


Here he is, latex glove on and finger ready!

VERY COOL!! He will enjoy that and proudly display.

 

[rlitman]

Ok, the glove is hysterical! Love it.

 

[ez-duzit]

...Once the large hole was drilled, I dropped a hinge into place and drilled the mounting holes.
Unless I was running a production facility making cabinets, I could not see a need for this system...

This. I use a Vix bit to transfer the small holes from the hinge.

 

[ScottsGT]

Yep, love those Vix bits! I used the same thing.

 

[fartymarty]

Ok, the glove is hysterical! Love it.

Me too! Very nicely done.

I also like how the gear appear to be in mid process of being stowed right after rotation.

You mentioned blocks on the sides, you grain matched pretty darn good, I think I can barely detect the seam on the port wing but I see nothing on the starboard wing. I probably have the skills to make that, except I would have really screwed up the hole in the tail for the rod. I never would have gotten it centered properly. Again, well done.

 

[jar944]

The Hettich jig allows you to adjust how close you want the cup hole to the edge of the piece. I made up this template which makes it a 'no brainer' to figure out:

Now you guys got me thinking about the Duo Doweler again...

I assumed the blum could adjust the cup to edge distance. If you cant its garbage in my opinion.

I considered the duo doweler, but since i have a df700 it seemed redundant. Any reason you like it over the domino?

Also nice setup template

 

[topcok88]

I don't drink the Koolaid any more and from what I understand, Mafell is at the very top when it comes to quality and just about every review of the Duo Doweller is very good.

I like dowels and I like to stay away from 'proprietary' consumables - like the domino tenons. Sure you can make your own tenons but dowels are pretty cheap to begin with. The Duo Doweler comes in metric but you can either buy metric size dowels or replace the drill bits with standard size

I have also read a number of reports of people breaking the domino cutter for whatever reason, AND a Domino requires a dust extractor to work properly

Festool 10 mm Tenons - $25 for 85! If I need to use floating tenons, I have the Leigh Leigh FMT Pro Mortise and Tenon Jig

It seems when people buy a Domino, they start to go crazy trying to justify the purchase by using tenons in everything they do. (I have seen some real silly uses, but whatever)

Mafell is a premium product no doubt. But saying you are going to save enough money on dowels versus buying dominos is crazy when you factor in the fact a DDF40 is several hundred more than a DF500 just for the base tool not including accessories. There are two $50 proprietary drill bits in a DDF40 as opposed to one in the DF500. The DDF40 may not require dust extraction but the bit life will be greatly extended. Oh and right now the only distributor for Mafell DDF40’s in the US I have found is Timberwolf Tools so there is the lack of readily available support (unlike Festool).
It took a lot for me to buy a DF500 but saying I’m going to save pennies by using dowels and cutters may break in a DF500 is laughable. Both tools make joinery easier at a substantially high cost.



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[jar944]

I don't drink the Koolaid any more and from what I understand, Mafell is at the very top when it comes to quality and just about every review of the Duo Doweller is very good.

I like dowels and I like to stay away from 'proprietary' consumables - like the domino tenons. Sure you can make your own tenons but dowels are pretty cheap to begin with. The Duo Doweler comes in metric but you can either buy metric size dowels or replace the drill bits with standard size

I have also read a number of reports of people breaking the domino cutter for whatever reason, AND a Domino requires a dust extractor to work properly

Festool 10 mm Tenons - $25 for 85! If I need to use floating tenons, I have the Leigh Leigh FMT Pro Mortise and Tenon Jig

It seems when people buy a Domino, they start to go crazy trying to justify the purchase by using tenons in everything they do. (I have seen some real silly uses, but whatever)

Im too cheap to buy the domino's myself. once im set up i can crank them out in quantity from the off cuts.

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[GRB]

Well I kind of feel the same about Festool but some of their tools are really nice. NOT the part of the stupid designer tools and the people that worship Festool. The part where most of their tools work well. Same with Sawstop even though their stuff works well also. HATE that they have forced their proprietary **** on everyone with their legal maneuvering and think Gass should BE gassed till dead.
Just the way it goes when people are so clueless that they actually believe the marketing BS.

 

[ez-duzit]

...**** Festool

Seems bigotry may be clouding your judgment.

 

[topcok88]

Git do you think Ryan would let us start a “Designer Tool” sub topic in the forum?

Anyhow the examples you initially provided were proprietary consumables and later spoke about cost. And I agree but that’s the cost of entry to use the DF500. The second discussion point was a few examples of a tool breaking and a manufacture having poor warranty response or denying a claim. Once again that isn’t how it should be and everyone’s experience is different. For me the limited availability of consumables, replacement parts, etc etc for the DDF40 and P2 Zeta in North America was a negative buying point. One thing I think we can all agree on is the Festool, Mafell and Lamello are all premium tools, that demand a premium price and NONE of them are required to do woodworking. And since TTS (Festools parent company) owns SawStop this is like the anti-Christ for all the “Designer Tools” haters. [emoji48] It’s gonna be great when the new Festool table saw featuring SawStop technology is released. Run to the hills boys! Big beards, flannel shirts, Festool, SnapOn and StarBucks designer tool hipsters are at it again. [emoji23]


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[Bob Heine]

I have no problem with any of the high-end tools even though I don't own any of them. I don't have the talent or skills to justify buying or using them. When I cut a stud too short it isn't the Harbor Freight tool's fault and a Festool wouldn't make my short cut fit better. My wandering router slot is all my doing.

I do smile when I see someone buy a premium product just to have bragging rights. Our son-in-law bought himself a brand new Martin Guitar to learn to play and blamed the guitar when it didn't sound as good as the old Guild our daughter was using. It is now an expensive closet-filler.

 

[topcok88]

So I received a package from Calavera Tool Works yesterday! I had ordered a limited run Hand-Dyed Black Bison + Lime Green Elk Apron 32”, Y-Back and Pockets + Flap. Due to a shipping error I received the wrong apron. But I sent a email out to Mike at Calavera and I got a return shipping label within minutes. Beautiful leather work aprons for anyone in the market. I think these start around $250 and depending on sizing/selection go up to about $450. Here is a picture... When I get the Lime Green in it will match nicely with the Festool. Once they run a batch of red I will have to order one to match the SawStop, Woodpeckers and Incra.


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[acer66]

So I received a package from Calavera Tool Works yesterday! I had ordered a limited run Hand-Dyed Black Bison + Lime Green Elk Apron 32”, Y-Back and Pockets + Flap. Due to a shipping error I received the wrong apron. But I sent a email out to Mike at Calavera and I got a return shipping label within minutes. Beautiful leather work aprons for anyone in the market. I think these start around $250 and depending on sizing/selection go up to about $450. Here is a picture... When I get the Lime Green in it will match nicely with the Festool. Once they run a batch of red I will have to order one to match the SawStop, Woodpeckers and Incra.

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Everything in that picture looks great.

 

[jimreed2160]

Spool chest
First let me give you some history. I bought this broken down spool chest from that world famous auction site sometime around 2001. Well, I bought the pieces. It was in sad shape for the $25 I paid. Shipping was about $50-60. For that I got a box of pieces. The top, front, and one side were intact. The back panel was there. Everything else was toast. I had some downtime in 2003 and brought the case back to life. Then I made some drawers but a move put the project on hold. Now it is in the shop and back on the project list because it takes up too much space.

I knocked out the base (ash) using the raw stock I rough cut in 2003. Now I need to figure out how to attach it. The chest is very heavy and I don't want the legs stressed to the point of breaking. Then I need to make some moulding, attach the brasses and apply finish. Luckily there was a single piece of original moulding to use as a go by.

 

[fartymarty]

You want to know how I really feel about the Festool Domino - > **** Festool and their overpriced 'designer tools' and the people that worship them. Same thing with Saw Stop, Snap On, yada yada yada.

Don't get me started. **** Festool

By the way, I prefer the term that Ryan calls me - 'Festool Hater'

Git do you think Ryan would let us start a “Designer Tool” sub topic in the forum?

I do smile when I see someone buy a premium product just to have bragging rights.

So I received a package from Calavera Tool Works yesterday! I had ordered a limited run Hand-Dyed Black Bison + Lime Green Elk Apron 32”, Y-Back and Pockets + Flap. Beautiful leather work aprons for anyone in the market. I think these start around $250 and depending on sizing/selection go up to about $450. Here is a picture... When I get the Lime Green in it will match nicely with the Festool. Once they run a batch of red I will have to order one to match the SawStop, Woodpeckers and Incra.

topcok', your timing is impeccable.

 

[topcok88]

topcok', your timing is impeccable.

My pleasure. [emoji6] If owning and operating premium brand tools makes me inferior to others here at this forum I am ok with that! I’m still waiting for Ryan to make the designer tool sub forum so I can drink my designer coffee, scroll the forum on my MacBook Pro while wearing my Polo Ralph Lauren attire. [emoji48]


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[fartymarty]

My pleasure. If owning and operating premium brand tools makes me inferior to others here at this forum I am ok with that! I’m still waiting for Ryan to make the designer tool sub forum so I can drink my designer coffee, scroll the forum on my MacBook Pro while wearing my Polo Ralph Lauren attire.

I think you meant to say "hand crafted" designer coffee.

 

[Bob Heine]

My pleasure. [emoji6] If owning and operating premium brand tools makes me inferior to others here at this forum I am ok with that! I’m still waiting for Ryan to make the designer tool sub forum so I can drink my designer coffee, scroll the forum on my MacBook Pro while wearing my Polo Ralph Lauren attire. [emoji48]


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Topcok88, my apologies if my post came across as looking down on you or your tools. Enjoy your kopi luwak.

 

[acer66]

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Off CL for $105 for my upcoming project.
Does anyone know if the forstner bit is proprietary?

 

[topcok88]

So with a few upcoming sheet good projects coming my way I decided to invest in a track saw. The large cabinet saw isn’t intolerable to break sheet goods down on but lifting up the sheets is more than I care for. I had been breaking down panels using my circular saw on a 1.5” thick 4’x8’ sheet of polystyrene on the floor. But in an effort to get at least one edge finish or edge band ready I jumped on the Emerald Edition TS55 with guide rail. While I was at Woodcraft I picked up the Woodpeckers shelf pin hole jig and will use my Bosch router to do those. [emoji48]


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[ez-duzit]

8--You're going to love the track saw.

 

[jar944]

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Off CL for $105 for my upcoming project.
Does anyone know if the forstner bit is proprietary?

Its not, but it is a specific hinge boring bit with a 10mm shank. Cmt as well as a lot of other manufacturers sell them.

Same for the other two bits that drill the screw holes

35mm bit
https://www.amanatool.com/203351-ca...it-r-h-35mm-dia-x-57mm-long-x-10mm-shank.html

 

[topcok88]

8--You're going to love the track saw.

Thank you ez! Still deciding if I drive back and buy the OF1400 Emerald. I really want that LR32 system and the ability to use my guide rails with a router base.


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[ez-duzit]

8--you'll want the long guide rail for straightening rough lumber, etc.

 

[acer66]

Its not, but it is a specific hinge boring bit with a 10mm shank. Cmt as well as a lot of other manufacturers sell them.

Same for the other two bits that drill the screw holes

35mm bit
https://www.amanatool.com/203351-ca...it-r-h-35mm-dia-x-57mm-long-x-10mm-shank.html

Thank you.

 

[acer66]

So with a few upcoming sheet good projects coming my way I decided to invest in a track saw. The large cabinet saw isn’t intolerable to break sheet goods down on but lifting up the sheets is more than I care for. I had been breaking down panels using my circular saw on a 1.5” thick 4’x8’ sheet of polystyrene on the floor. But in an effort to get at least one edge finish or edge band ready I jumped on the Emerald Edition TS55 with guide rail. While I was at Woodcraft I picked up the Woodpeckers shelf pin hole jig and will use my Bosch router to do those. [emoji48]


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Nice, was a game changer for me and I second ez-duzit on every count.

 

[acer66]

Not sure either, I asked when I got mine from tool nut and they said it always comes with the one with the holes.
But it looks like from the stock pictures that the special edition comes with the rail without the holes.

 

[topcok88]

Git that’s a pretty sweet deal. I’ve done similar buying items off of Amazon Warehouse Deals and have never been disappointed. As much as I would like the OF1400 and LR32 I’m not yet convinced of how much I’d really use it. I have the Bosch MR23EVS and am going to use the Woodpeckers Shelf Pin guide for as many as I expect to install. If I grow tired of the Bosch or it doesn’t perform I will try something else. But for the money invested I have been happy with the precision, dust collection and accessories.


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