Just picked up some 1/4-20 cap nuts[acorn nuts] from the big orange box store. The threads are 1/4-20 the outside is 10mm, what the f**k. Anyone come across this? I know I'm getting grouchy in my old age but isn't this sh*t making simply things more complicated? Thanks for letting me vent.
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nickstewartroc
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What's sort of funny is I ordered some cap nuts for 8mm bolts a few years back and ended up having to use a SAE wrench on it, none of my metrics would fit properly, either smear it and wouldn't go on
PWC Repair
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Ya.....I must have about a half dozen of that size, lol!
Dagny
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PartsGuy
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It's an Illuminati conspiracy to eliminate the need for SAE tools, for two insidious reasons:
#1 SAE is commonly referred to as "American" and the New World Order will rely on the exploitation of global workers for their nefarious intentions. These workers are already accustomed to the metric system.
Once the NWO is in control, all previous SAE fastener standards will migrate to 12 point metric, to further coerce the last bitter GJ members into using 12-point sockets, even though 6-point is CLEARLY the superior design. I mean, just look at the size of those contact points!
#2 Snap-on is a major benefactor to the Illuminati, and the NWO plan ensures that S-O stands to profit from increased sales of metric 12-point tools at all levels. Since HF, Tekton, and Chinese Craftsman are actually secret subsidiary divisions of the NWO/Snap-on conglomerate, many GJers are already unknowingly complicit in this conspiracy.
#1 SAE is commonly referred to as "American" and the New World Order will rely on the exploitation of global workers for their nefarious intentions. These workers are already accustomed to the metric system.
Once the NWO is in control, all previous SAE fastener standards will migrate to 12 point metric, to further coerce the last bitter GJ members into using 12-point sockets, even though 6-point is CLEARLY the superior design. I mean, just look at the size of those contact points!
#2 Snap-on is a major benefactor to the Illuminati, and the NWO plan ensures that S-O stands to profit from increased sales of metric 12-point tools at all levels. Since HF, Tekton, and Chinese Craftsman are actually secret subsidiary divisions of the NWO/Snap-on conglomerate, many GJers are already unknowingly complicit in this conspiracy.
dutchgray
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This is what happens when you live in one of the few countries that still routinely uses inch based fasteners and the big boxes buy the stuff from China at the lowest cost they can find, the world is metric, so many more metric fasteners are made that they are a little bit cheaper, the manufacturer got a skid of 10mm nut blanks and shoved some 1/4" threads into them and shipped them out, either no one checked it or they did but didn't care it was a metric hex size.
ForceFed70
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You didn't buy 1/4-20 acorn nuts, you bought M6x1
What's the difference you ask? A bolt advertised as 1/4-20 will have an imperial sized head, a bolt advertised as M6x1 will have a metric sized head.
This is not the manufacturers mistake or anything "weird" It was either your mistake for not recognizing the difference between metric fasteners vs imperial - or someone else down the supply chain made that mistake on your behalf and labeled the bolts incorrectly.
What's the difference you ask? A bolt advertised as 1/4-20 will have an imperial sized head, a bolt advertised as M6x1 will have a metric sized head.
This is not the manufacturers mistake or anything "weird" It was either your mistake for not recognizing the difference between metric fasteners vs imperial - or someone else down the supply chain made that mistake on your behalf and labeled the bolts incorrectly.
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bad_idea
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I wish we would shift to the metric system. SO much easier to work with.
DGersic
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I just bought, then returned, a 2’ 1/4-20 all thread, because it wasn’t actually 1/4-20. Almost, but not quite, it was close to 1/4-21. You could put a nut on it, but it wouldn’t turn.
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rick carpenter
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You'll notice that those of us who are in the Illuminati never ever say anything about it ourselves nor admit our membership........ oh damn.......... forget I said anything.......
ZRX61
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We won't mention the Lockheed Mars Landed that confused meters with feet & hit the planet going mach 4...
Jayman17
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We would have been to Mars and back by now if we had switched to metric in the 70's
Jay
JasonMcElroy
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After owning ironhead sportsters, shovels, and panheads for the last thirty years, I bought a Honda.
I got an invitation in the mail the next day from the NWO.
Now I'm member of the NRA, ACLU, *and* the NWO.
Gotta hedge my bets.
Jason
I got an invitation in the mail the next day from the NWO.
Now I'm member of the NRA, ACLU, *and* the NWO.
Gotta hedge my bets.
Jason
Iyeah that's frustrating for sure.
That said, Ive switched all of my woodworking projects to metric dimensions in the last year. Finding it much more pleasant to measure things out in millimeters and easier to remember too. Other than construction not sure what industries are using english units anymore. American cars have been built with metric sized fasteners for a long time.
That said, Ive switched all of my woodworking projects to metric dimensions in the last year. Finding it much more pleasant to measure things out in millimeters and easier to remember too. Other than construction not sure what industries are using english units anymore. American cars have been built with metric sized fasteners for a long time.
BDT/NWMN
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They are getting even with Us... How or why is it that metric sockets are made with 1/4", 3/8", or 1/2" drives??
InsanePyro
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Please tell me you are joking.
I know no one here wants to hear it but SAE really is inferior
RVDan
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Was there ever any benefit to stepping on the moon?
I mean yay we got some moon rocks and some moon dust, and we put a flag on the moon, but what exactly did that small step for man do for mankind other than give Americans a meme?
Matt 330LS
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How about a sense of national pride and accomplishment for starters.
MushCreek
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The space program is responsible for many advancements that wouldn't have been possible without it. The developments don't make the headlines like a man actually stepping on the moon, though. Any time man pushes the envelope there are a lot of side benefits that you don't hear about.
As for the whole SAE/metric argument- Metric is better in pretty much every way you can think of. The standards are measurable anywhere, rather than being based on the distance from the king's thumb to the tip of his nose, or whatever. That being said, I love me some old iron- cars, trucks, tractors, machinery, etc., which requires tools and fluency in SAE measurement. I use SAE tools much more than metric, despite my DD being a Miata. It simply doesn't need wrenching as often
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I used to work for a huge (Fortune 100) company that announced that they were going to go 'fully metric' within a year (back in the 1980's). We got 40 hours of metric metrology training, and made the transition pretty smoothly. Alas, the rest of the 40,000 employees had too much trouble with it and they scrapped the plan. This, despite the fact that the vast majority of their products (electrical connectors) were already metric! Dumb.
As for the whole SAE/metric argument- Metric is better in pretty much every way you can think of. The standards are measurable anywhere, rather than being based on the distance from the king's thumb to the tip of his nose, or whatever. That being said, I love me some old iron- cars, trucks, tractors, machinery, etc., which requires tools and fluency in SAE measurement. I use SAE tools much more than metric, despite my DD being a Miata. It simply doesn't need wrenching as often
.I used to work for a huge (Fortune 100) company that announced that they were going to go 'fully metric' within a year (back in the 1980's). We got 40 hours of metric metrology training, and made the transition pretty smoothly. Alas, the rest of the 40,000 employees had too much trouble with it and they scrapped the plan. This, despite the fact that the vast majority of their products (electrical connectors) were already metric! Dumb.
Roadster J
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And is was only a short time after this that the NWO conspiracy started to shift into high gear with the introduction of the first two-liter sized soft drink bottle jn 1970.
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Back when I was in high school in the late 60's we had to learn the metric system in our science classes, and it was pretty obvious that it was far easier to use once you got used to it. A little later a real push was made to metrify the USA but the general public set up such a howl that the effort was dropped. Things would be much simpler now if we had actually made the switch to metric then.
Even back then scientists all used the metric system. I'd wager the NASA engineers were doing all their calculations with it.
Even back then scientists all used the metric system. I'd wager the NASA engineers were doing all their calculations with it.
finn
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We have pretty much adopted the metric system except for dumb, irrelevant things like miles traveled, gallons burned, etc that confuse stupid people.
All science, and most engineering is metric.
Almost all imports are metric. Consumers are just too ignorant to notice.
All science, and most engineering is metric.
Almost all imports are metric. Consumers are just too ignorant to notice.
Hawk
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We will forget it this time! But next time there will be a price!
PartsGuy
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Maybe I'm joking, but then again, maybe it's the plotline of a new Dan Brown novel...... now excuse me, I have to go stock up on tin foil. There's a LOT of hats to be made before the NWO takes over.....
sbosecker
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ForceFed70,
I ran into the same phenomenon as the OP with some salvaged hex nuts last year. They threaded onto a 1/4-20 bolt but required a 10mm wrench to tighten.
It was noted in THAT THREAD that these were probably actually metric. The nuts were probably a M6-1.25 thread vs. 1/4-20 thread.
Sadly I have been unable to verify this as M6-1.0 seems to be the norm (and would not accept the odd hex nuts that I had found). I did purchase a couple of screws for a bicycle on eBay that were advertised to be M6-1.25.
Here's a link to MY POST regarding that purchase.
Another error in labeling...
I'm still looking for a M6-1.25 screw to see if my odd hex nuts will thread onto it.
Best regards,
Scott
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Dismantler
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The space program that culminated with the moon landings did leave us with a number of advances - in the medical field it led to development and refinement of pacemakers and a big improvement to dialysis treatments.
Perhaps this forum would better appreciate the more relevant benefits - like cordless electric power tools and WD-40.
sbosecker
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RVDan,
Despite the obvious thread creep that is occurring, I think it might be useful to note the following:
I know of one midwestern farm boy who was so motivated by the event - and everything leading up to it - that he got a degree in Aeronautical & Astronautical Engineering.
Best regards,
Scott
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Falcon67
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Well, then it was around 25/64th of a successful mission.
yup, I saw this on the internet!
OccupantRJ
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The factory likely has 10 mm hex stock on hand for it’s normal production and uses it to create an “Americanized “ nut to keep from having to import what would be to them a special size stock. My lawn chairs have cap nuts of 1/4-20 size with a 10mm head.
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b-boy
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And we're off.....
Good luck! I posted that exact same sentiment about a year ago.
I asked for recommendations on where I could find quality metric woodworking tools.
I was called un-American, and it was widely inferred that I should go back to my own country (even though I'm from Ohio).
b-boy
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The first rule of Illuminati is - You don't talk about Illuminati!
The second rule of Illuminati is - You don't talk about Illuminati!
b-boy
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I've tried to do this, but it's tough. It seems like you always have to switch between UOMs at some point in the process. I have some metric tools, but most of them have SAE/metric units on them. It gets confusing.
CJ7VFR
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And we're off.....
Good luck! I posted that exact same sentiment about a year ago.
I asked for recommendations on where I could find quality metric woodworking tools.
I was called un-American, and it was widely inferred that I should go back to my own country (even though I'm from Ohio).
Were you told to "Get off my lawn" too?
Don't take it too much to heart. Some people play nice with others and some don't. It is just the way they are. They will never change.
I just laugh, show my wife the crazy **** people post, and she just shakes her head...
Jim
InsanePyro
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Maybe I'm joking, but then again, maybe it's the plotline of a new Dan Brown novel...... now excuse me, I have to go stock up on tin foil. There's a LOT of hats to be made before the NWO takes over.....
Get to know it a bit more around here and you won't be surprised that I'm double checking
MFolks
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I dunno about that, but I did ask a guy if he really wanted to have to explain to his doctor why he had the word nO-panS imprinted on his colon during his next colonoscopy…. Could be worse, you could have threatened him with thgierF and robraH cause it broke when used in anger.