Ye Old Garage

[xtremek]

Is that your daily driver? Nice pics of the family.

 

[Bob Heine]

Matt, thanks for including the Fire Department vehicle in the photos. My uncle was Chief of the volunteer fire department in Holbrook, NY in the mid-'50s and our red '68 GTO brought up the rear of his 55-mile funeral procession to New Rochelle, NY. Made the mistake of cheaping out on a pair of (Thrush) mufflers the week before so the roar was less noticeable behind the muffler-free fire trucks.

 

[sublime68charger]

Is that your daily driver? Nice pics of the family.

Thanks Xtremek, I would not want to have to pay the fuel bill on the big trucks I due know that.
I get to drive them every now and again. Most the times I ride in the back as them are the fun seats as you get to due the fun/work stuff when you get there. Driving is a blast to though nothing like going threw town with lights and siren's like your hair is on fire. though there is always that 1 car that wont get out of your way and slows you down.

 

[sublime68charger]

Matt, thanks for including the Fire Department vehicle in the photos. My uncle was Chief of the volunteer fire department in Holbrook, NY in the mid-'50s and our red '68 GTO brought up the rear of his 55-mile funeral procession to New Rochelle, NY. Made the mistake of cheaping out on a pair of (Thrush) mufflers the week before so the roar was less noticeable behind the muffler-free fire trucks.

Bob I want say we had something like 12 departments and 20 plus trucks in the procession for his funeral. The Church was packed and there was people standing up in the back I had never seen the church that full before. It was a Best/Worst thing I have been apart of being on the Fire Department. In my 20 years on the department have now Had 4 active members who passed away, none on a fire scene but still there with you on the trucks 1 week and the next week your having there funeral.

Any Pics of the RED GTO?

 

[captain14]

Can you post some more photos of the ladder truck? A Pierce? The original delivery didn’t require a long trip from the factory.

I’ve seen one photo where one of the manufacturers had a very long box car to deliver apparatus, including TDA.

One of the neighboring towns had an ALF delivered this way but broke free and bounced around inside and had to take a return trip back to the factory for repair.

 

[Bob Heine]

Any Pics of the RED GTO?

Matt, 53 years ago we didn't take a lot of photos because they cost money to develop. We ordered the car in November and picked it up in January. My parents took us out to a fancy restaurant but their '65 Buick LeSabre wouldn't hold six of us with seat belts. My mother took this Polaroid that day, a few weeks after we got the car:

Note the snow tires are still on the GTO in March. It spent half it's life with those on the rear.

One of my last photos of the GTO was the day in the fall of 1975 when we moved to Florida. The GTO, Vega GT, Century Raven runabout, sailboat and canoe were being picked up by the freight company that was transporting it all from Wappingers Falls, NY to Boca Raton, FL. GTO was never in an accident but it's years in the rust belt took a toll on both cars.

 

[xtremek]

We'll let the rust belt excuse for the GTO stand, but the Vega would rust in the high desertthat never saw a drop of moisture. They came with factory installed rust.

 

[drivesitfar]

Great pix. another summer has come and gone and time to get ready for winter, but happy to see you got to have a little fun with your family while the weather was decent.

Did your brother pass while fighting a fire or just a great friend to all that knew him hence the name on the truck. sorry for your loss and I hope he's still here with you in spirit.

 

[sublime68charger]

Great pix. another summer has come and gone and time to get ready for winter, but happy to see you got to have a little fun with your family while the weather was decent.

Did your brother pass while fighting a fire or just a great friend to all that knew him hence the name on the truck. sorry for your loss and I hope he's still here with you in spirit.

Drives. brother had leukemia battled it for 3 years. We had 1 good year of both of us being on fire department and living in same house. It was a race out the front door when pager went off that was for sure. My fire department has only had 1 fire death. The chief had a heart attack at a grass fire back in The late 80's

 

[sublime68charger]

Bob H thanks for the pics love the skinny rear snow tires on the GTO

 

[captain14]

ALF delivering a TDA via railroad boxcar.

 

[sublime68charger]

ALF delivering a TDA via railroad boxcar.

thanks What FB group are you on that Had that post?

 

[drivesitfar]

Sub: sorry to hear your brother lost his battle with leukemia but I bet he’ll be waiting to wrestle you when it’s your time.

hope you had a great weekend snd guessing you are starting to get ready for winter so hope all the firewood is cut and everything under cover that needs to be.

 

[sublime68charger]

been a while since i have updated,

got the Fire going in the wood boiler and making heat for the house and got the pigs rounded up and they are now hanging out in the freezer all processed up and ready for eating.

 

[xtremek]

I hated loading hogs. How much was their live weight?

 

[sublime68charger]

I hated loading hogs. How much was their live weight?

Not for sure brother in law did the butchering at his shop. Well gutted and hung the halves then we all showed up for butchering party. Id get a Hunk and get showed what to cut and then had a bucket of Grind as all the meat scraps went into the gind pail and that will get mixed with Deer meat in a few weeks and then you have Taco meat/Spagitte meat and some burgers as well out of the 50/50 Hog and Deer. Im a novice at all this butchering stuff and learning as I go. They was a pain to get loaded in the trailer that part I due know.

 

[sublime68charger]

just some Pics of the deer in the area, the Big Hunt is just around the corner and though I don't hunt I due make it a point to be working outside on opening day just to hear the gun shots going off. Its a Bang silence then maybe another Bang, then Bang Bang Bang that means somebody is not a good shot. That would be me the bang bang bang bang hunter but hope they all stay safe and have a good time.

 

[sublime68charger]

and then these 2 having a discussion about who should cross the road first or something.

 

[sublime68charger]

then 3 of the ladies out for a walking on the edge of the bean field.

 

[bugnut]

sub, I heard this years ago attributed to an old indian proverb, "1 shot always, 2 shots sometimes, 3 shots never" I recall that this is fairly accurate during deer season here!

 

[Bob Heine]

Matt, back in the early '60s I read an interview in the Rutland (Vermont) Herald. Reporter asked a hunter who had driven up from Brooklyn NY how his season was going. "Didn't kill a deer but I got off a couple of good 'sound shots'." Reporter asked what he meant by 'sound shots' and he replied "Heard a sound like a deer and fired into the bushes." That was the last time I went in the Vermont woods during hunting season.

 

[sublime68charger]

yep the woods is a no go on opening morning for sure. I due like to be outside for the day at home just to hear the shots and then the rapid shots. I have plenty of outside stuff to get done yet before winter really sets in.

 

[sublime68charger]

Link to my Buzz saw video making up some firewood.

Its a be on your toes and not mess around when using this saw that is for sure.

I put 5 hours in on the saw yesterday and still have a bit more to get done just ran out of daylight by the end of the day.

 

[XJSuperman]

PTO powered?

 

[sublime68charger]

PTO powered?

yes. Buzz saw was orginal 3 point mounted to a Ford Jubliee or 8n/2n We still have the PTO to Belt Pulley gear box that bolted to tractor and then ran Belt to power the saw. My dad made the frame the saw is now on and added the PTO shafts so that any tractor with draw bar and PTO can run the saw. Reason being in the late 70's when he went back into cutting fire wood My grandpa still farmed and the jubliee tractor was the chore tractor and was needed daily to fit into the barn driveway so to be able to shovel the cow manure into the spreader. Grandpa had 19 cows that he milked no barn cleaner it was all by pitch fork to clean. So it was 10am or so before tractor was free to be used for buzz saw work. Took 1 hour to change out draw bar and put the saw on. Saw for a few hours then have to put drawbar back on tractor at the end of the day so tractor is ready for the next day. Conver Buzz saw to simple cart and then any tractor could run the saw for the day. Tractors we had to choose from was a Allis Chalmers WD-45, Case 730 or the big ol Diesel Oliver 88 that I rember being on the farm. Still have the jubliee and most years when it wants to run it now gets put on saw duty.

I have used this saw for 30 plus years on/off in its present form. 1 person can saw, 2 goes better and 3 is pretty fast 4 even better. No messing aroud when the saw is going and alway's aware of the blade!

 

[XJSuperman]

Interesting! We've got a couple at home I'd like to run with one of our old Deeres some day. All setup for belt drive. The 3pt mounts I've seen on PowerWagons, Jeeps, and tractors would be nice.

 

[sublime68charger]

Interesting! We've got a couple at home I'd like to run with one of our old Deeres some day. All setup for belt drive. The 3pt mounts I've seen on PowerWagons, Jeeps, and tractors would be nice.

If I think about it I'll get some pics of the PTO and gearbox setup on this now its pretty simple and has worked well the last 30 years. I have alway's wanted to run a 2 cylinder Deere on this saw just to hear the 2 cylinder lug down some but then wonder if the saw will be jerky which could be all sorts of bad on the sawing end. Tractor runs at fast idle for the buzz saw work.

Have seen pics of Front mount saws on tractor over the years as well.

 

[sublime68charger]

pic of what we started with for the day. I

 

[sublime68charger]

couple of more pics of the wood cutting for the day

 

[xtremek]

We had the same saw hooked to an 8n when I was a kid. Also, a nearby dairy farmer had one that he staked down in a field and ran with a belt off an old Farmall. Boy did it make cutting the wood go fast. And you're right, not something you want to play around with. Watched it go through a 2' oak log without much of a bog.

 

[sublime68charger]

I don't know if Id want to use one that is just staked down to the ground? I guess it would be fine but I would think the stakes would work loose and then your belt drive would keep falling off?

 

[xtremek]

I don't know if Id want to use one that is just staked down to the ground? I guess it would be fine but I would think the stakes would work loose and then your belt drive would keep falling off?

I don't remember how it was staked down, but it worked. Looking back, what gets me is that he was able to line up the tractor and saw so that the belt didn't walk one way or the other.

 

[sublime68charger]

I don't remember how it was staked down, but it worked. Looking back, what gets me is that he was able to line up the tractor and saw so that the belt didn't walk one way or the other.

staking them down must have worked as you there are several different models of Buzz saws that was just a stand on the ground. I would think they would work themselves loose and then you loose the belt off the pulley. Or getting the tractor straight to line up the pulley as well but back then there was alot of stationary equipment powered by a pulley from a tractor.
I would think it must not have been super hard and the pulley has a somewhat of a center crown to keep the belt tracking straight. I know the belt on ours drifts off the the right when under load. remove load and the belt tracks back to center on pulley so it somewhat self corrects.

 

[drivesitfar]

Not to be the safety (think OSHA) guy here but do you have a quick OFF method on that beast of a saw near the blade? Looks like if you pay attention it cuts small logs quickly.

 

[XJSuperman]

Not to be the safety (think OSHA) guy here but do you have a quick OFF method on that beast of a saw near the blade? Looks like if you pay attention it cuts small logs quickly.

One laughing emoji just wasn't enough. Sorry Drives.

Buzz saws and PTO shafts are both inherently dangerous pieces of equipment and historically there are no options for an E-stop. A belt drive stops when the tractor clutch stops (and not instantly), and pto shafts have to be shut off in the cab of the tractor nowadays.
Buzz saw folks live dangerously, and I think some of them enjoy it.

 

[drivesitfar]

I hear you cause my gramps and his relatives were all loggers. In fact my great grand dad bent down to pick up something and kicked his leg back and mill’s big saw cut it off. He was in his 20’s and was taken to doctor via horse on skidder back in his 20’s and ended up living til mid 80’s. Yep PAY ATTENTION is key!!

 

[sublime68charger]

Not to be the safety (think OSHA) guy here but do you have a quick OFF method on that beast of a saw near the blade? Looks like if you pay attention it cuts small logs quickly.

just the tractor PTO off. though if you push the saw hard the Belt will come off on that turns the saw blade but anything. The close up pic of the saw and tractor you can see the belt drive pulley system that belt will track off to the right if your pushing the saw hard on a cut and will slip off and then you have to shut off tractor and lift saw put belt back on pulley and tighten belt again. I sawed for 5 hours and had the belt slip off 1 time was on a Bigger chunk that started sawing easy then got hard and and pinched on the blade and belt came off. Happens 1 or 2 times a sawing session. If the belt is to loose it come off easier as well.

to the right of the belt is a orange ratchet system that tightens the belt and tilts the saw table down to the ground and tilts it up for when your transporting the saw. Also we put a 1x4 board under the saw table on the ground to keep the table more firm and not be so bouncing around or if you have a high spot in the middle the table teeter toters left/right. Also Off handler was down hill from saw which is nice. Its not fun at all to be the off handler and uphill from the blade you slip or something and your heading the wrong way in a hurry. Plus then your throwing the wood uphill all day as well. Need to keep the saw area free of small sticks and stuff want to be standing on good ground and not have and slip sliding around.
Have done this in the snow and that can add another layer of slipping and sliding around. Packed snow can get slippery in a hurry. If doing in snow its cut up a few till you have some saw dust built up and then kick saw dust over your standing area to give you better traction.

 

[sublime68charger]

I know as the saw blade comes under heavy load and starts to slow down the belt Tracks off the to right on the pulley that is on the saw shaft. If the edge of the belt tracks over the middle of the pulley it falls off of the pulley. I want to say there is a slight crown in the middle of the pulley to help keep the belt on center. I can just remember this saw cart being put together out at my grandpas farm under a tree next to the milk house by my dad. He wanted to be able to use the Buzz saw on any tractor that had draw bar and PTO as the saw was a 3 point mount for Ford Tractors Had a Belt Pulley that bolted on over the rear PTO of the tractor and then Saw mounted on teh rear 3 point and it worked great lift 3 point drive tractor where you wanted set saw down and go.

Problem my dad had was he would want to start sawing at like 8am but the Ford Jubliee Grandpa had was the Chore tractor and he needed it to fit down the barn drive way to load the manure from his milk cows.
Jubliee was only tractor he had that fit threw the barn doors. So it Jubliee was not availblee till 10am. Then a hour to get the saw mounted on the tractor. Take the drawbar off bolt on the PTO Pulley, Wrestle the saw on to the 3 point and then good to go you can start sawing at 11am. Saw the rest of the day and then Have to change Tractor back over for Chore duty at the end of the day. So built the saw cart and then could use a different tractor for sawing and if we wanted to saw in the woodland which is a 40 min tractor ride from the farm to get tractor and saw down there. Most years when I was young the buzz sawing was a 2 day weekend event take Tractor and saw down on Saturday Morning saw a load on the truck go home unload saw 2nd truck load go home unload have lunch saw load 3 rinse repeat saw load 4 by then it would be dark, did the sawing in the fall late november or early december. Sunday would be more of the same and when the basement at home was full we would still saw the wood and then stack it into the wood pile out at the wood land. Sunday night take tractor and saw back to the farm. Did'nt have a shed at the wood land for to keep the tractor in. It would get parked in the neighbors driveway over night most years.

 

[sublime68charger]

Grandpa sold the milk cows in like 1984 and I think the saw cart was built in like 1980 or so. buts its worked well. as its easy to hook up and go. plus if its in your way in the shed you can pull the darn thing around by and to move it. Dad said when it was the 3 point mount where ever you unhooked it it got left there and stuff got pilled on it all year and you spent 1/2 day digging the darn thing out or it was in front of something and you have to move it 3 times threw out the year to get the implenment out tha the saw was in front of. Shed space was tight on the farm where he grew up but they didn't like to leave equipment outside at all.

 

[xtremek]

Drives, for reference, that buzz saw will cut through as big a log as a 16 year old boy (yours truly) and a 38 year old man (my Pops) can lift (probably 2' diameter oak, 4' long) at least 5 times faster than a chainsaw. Anything less than 6" diameter, and the speed of the human rocking the table is the limiting factor. With a decent team (Dad on the saw, me on the feed, "little brother on the clearing), you could blow through a face cord of wood in about an hour. Farms are a dangerous place to be. You never, ever really turn your back to any machine or you end up dead fast.