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Continuing on with the OPE winterization.

Filing and blending the nick out.
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Then after multiple trips to the balancer it was perfect again.
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Both blades sharpened and balanced, ready for installation once the deck is cleaned.
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Both decks cleaned and at the ready for pressure washing, which will have to wait as it was getting late and starting to snow by the time the wife arrived home from work.
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Everything ready for pressure washing.
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After dinner last night I sat down and scrolled the interwebs to see what configurations other people had done to mount a winch on a tilt deck trailer. I ran across quite a few similar to what I am thinking as well as several that I didn't like at all. I'm sure they work, but I just don't care for the aesthetics at all on the ones mounted up high.

Aluma is a well known trailer manufacturer of all aluminum construction and this is their tilt deck trailer with factory optioned winch mount. Granted their trailer design differs from mine in that there is a 20' solid section just ahead of the tilt deck's edge. I don't particularly care for this, but a lot of people have this trailer and like the winch mounting based on last night's search. This trailer seems to be quite popular with the road course crowd based on what I saw on several forums.
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Same trailer as above but with the winch installed.
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The battery actually mounts adjacent to the winch on the stationary section when the tilt deck is lowered. I don't care for the battery sitting on top of the deck at all.
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Here are a couple others that I saw where the owners mounted the winches up high on a pedestal type of mount so it is level with the deck when the deck is in the tilted position. Another design I do not care for.
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Another elevated/pedestal type of mounting.
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Many, many tilt deck trailers have this style or comparable mounting plate installed on the front of the tilting deck. This style particularly with wood floor decking.
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Another wood floor tilt deck mounting.
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This is another type I saw where they just bolt down a winch plate to the top of the steel deck. I don't know what they did to reinforce it on the underside of the decking, but this would be satisfactory "IF" they installed some reinforcement under the decking.
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The pinnacle of tilt deck car haulers in my opinion has to be the 102 Ironworks Eliminator series of tilt deck trailers. This is the one I was trying to model the one I was going to build and what the Texoma tilt deck trailer I did buy ended up mimicking.

They offer several variations, but all mount up at the front and on the top of the deck. They also offer a vertical receiver style that is removable, which seems to be quite popular, but I have already decided I don't want another removable winch.



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I don't particularly care for the raised platform for the winch mount, but I think this is pretty much how I am planning on doing mine. I will fabricate a 1/4" plate and weld it to the underside of the deck just opposite how 102 Ironworks does theirs which should reinforce the front by tying both the front of the trailer into the first crossmember. Then I will construct a box or enclosure to cover the winch and protect it vs. the vinyl cover used in these pictures.
 
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Here are a couple better pictures of how 102 Ironworks provides winch mounting options. Based on my research these seem to be their two most common options available.

I think this is pretty much what I'm looking at other than I will weld a 1/4" plate to the underside as well as topside in essence sandwiching the tread plate decking rather than cutting it out. This should provide a very solid mounting location.

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Here is their receiver hitch style mount for a removeable winch.
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So, it looks like I have a major wrinkle in my sub-floor mounted winch idea. One of the things I liked about this trailer when I looked at it was the fact that the crossmembers were on 16" centers. Perfect for a heavier vehicle as some I looked at were at or even over 20" centerlines. After getting it home and when I looked under it at first glance a couple of weeks ago, I measured nearly 14" from the front of the tilt deck tube back to the front of the first crossmember. My initial idea was that it would be tight to build a box less than 14" due to the arc in which it would need to swing to drop down flush, but I thought worse case, when I cut through the decking if I needed to trim a little of that front crossmember I could just weld it back to the box and make everything one solid mounting and it may actually work out better having the entire front of the trailer braced using the sub-floor winch box at the intersection point between the front and the first crossmember.

While I was looking under it a couple of weeks ago, I measured for a HPU (Hydraulic Power Unit) and decided I had plenty of room to mount both the HPU and the battery box under the deck about 5' back from the front. This would work to keep the weight low and centered under the trailer and more importantly, out of the way and not in the tongue box taking up valuable space. I would do it similar to my last trailer and have remote battery lugs/connection point to connect jumper cables to in the event of a low battery issue, but with the deck up the battery would be quite easy to access and be out of the way. I also figured it would be easier to route battery cables up to the winch if the battery was already under the deck and nestled in the frame rails so it would be a win/win.

I still think the HPU and battery will go right where I have planned, but I am going to have to rethink my approach to the winch. I've ordered the HPU and battery box, but before I purchased the winch I figured I had better take some more measurements, and that is where I saw what I originally missed. With the tilt deck of the trailer up and looking underneath it all looks like a great plan. However, with the deck lowered and sitting on the frame rails there simply isn't enough room for a sub-floor mounted winch, unless I want to cut into structural crossmembers and the latching system for the deck which I do NOT. I had not taken the front tongue crossmember and latching system into account during my initial planning.

It may be hard to see what I am talking about in the pictures, so I'll try to explain why this plan is dead before it started.


Here you can see I only have 5" between the underside of the deck and the frame rails with the deck in the lowered position.
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Then, what I thought was 14" front to rear space originally, has now shrunken down to less than 8" with the deck lowered. This is the front crossmember tying across the tongue, providing the mounting location for the latching system as well as the longitudinal support for where the tilt cylinder mounts. There is no way a standard winch will fit in this space, and I surely don't want to cut the entire tongue apart including the latching system just to move it a few inches. I guess maybe that explains why I see so many tilt deck trailers come equipped with a winch mounting plate right here at the front of the deck, it is even an option from Texoma on this particular trailer.
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Then as I was measuring for a tongue box, I thought I would just do a surface mounted winch similar to my last trailer's second iteration. On my previous 18' Big Tex car trailer, originally I came up with a temporary mounting solution for a winch, however, I got tired of having the winch sitting on the floor under the cabinet in my home's attached garage and having to install it when needed. It never failed, if I needed the trailer at my parent's farm where my paint shop was located, the winch was at home, if I needed the winch for the trailer at home, I had left it at the paint shop. So when I redid the trailer the second and final time, I permanently mounted the winch to the front and used one of those soft sided Warn covers to keep it covered and "somewhat" protected. It worked well having it permanently mounted on the trailer, but I went through multiple covers over the course of about 10 years.

I am leaning towards surface mounting the winch and installing a 1/4" winch mounting plate under the deck which I can tie into both the front 2" x 5" main tube and the first crossmember back, which will really be a solid mount and tie the front of the trailer together much like the sub-floor box idea that I was originally going to run with. Then, rather than a soft cover, I think I will fabricate a box enclosure that will bolt down to the deck to fully enclose the winch and protect it both from the elements and theft. I seriously doubt I will ever need that space at the very front of the trailer anyways as the winch box will be about even with the rear of the flush mounted 6k pound swivel D-rings.

This is relatively close to where the winch and winch box will reside side to side on the front of the deck and where I have seen winch mounting plates installed from several manufacturers on these tilt deck trailers.
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This is about where the winch and winch box would lie front to rear.
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Measuring for my tongue box. I think by the time I install a tongue box, it may be very close in height to the winch box once completed and actually tie in quite nicely. I was also thinking of putting a small solar charger on the tongue box to keep the battery maintained.
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In the winch box, I think I will install a 4-pin trailer style of connector that can act as a quick connect for the winch controller and make it less cumbersome to connect the controller than inside the box. Then just open the front of the box where the fairlead and hook are at, plug the controller into the side of the box and be set, easy peazy.

This will free up nearly the entire tongue box for tie downs, controllers and still have room remaining rather than trying to stuff all of the trailer's mechanics into the tongue box.

Also planned are adding 4 more flush mounted 6k pound D-rings, a permanently mounted spare tire mount on the right side and I still want to make the fenders removable. I also don't particularly care for the tread plate style of fenders so I may convert them over to smooth dual cutout fenders once I get the originals removed.

Thanks for looking and sorry to disappoint, no drop-down winch being installed on this trailer.
Mike, you mentioned a 4 way plug built into the box but have you looked into wireless remote style winch controls? I sold my car trailer years ago before trailers doubled in price, wish I wouldn't have but just didn't use it much at all and hated to see a brand new trailer sitting there. But I had bought a harbor freight 12,000 lb winch for it and never got around to mounting it and still have the barely used winch. I always was going to pick up the wireless remote for it to make it easy for me to sit in a dead vehicle to steer it and be able to pull it up onto the trailer without worrying about driving over a cord or anything like that. Don't have personal experience with using one but sure seemed like a great idea to me.
 

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I had been thinking to ask if you had thought of installing a trickle charger for the winch battery when I saw you mention a small solar panel. Will that get enough sun where you plan to park the trailer?

I use a 120VAC outlet and an extension cord for my winch control connections. Much more robustly made with larger contacts than any of the commonly used winch control connectors, and are made for semi-frequent mating & de-mating. Plus, they're common and inexpensive. For outside exposed sockets I use one of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SLM8LT5?tag=atomicindus08-20
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For whatever reason none of my used winches has ever come with the remote. I build them from control pendants and self-coiling extension cords. I use the ground terminal for the 12VDC+, the load terminal for "In", and the neutral terminal for "Out." There is a small risk that someone might plug a 120VAC something into one of them, but wiring them specifically that way no damage will occur to anything.
 
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Mike, you mentioned a 4 way plug built into the box but have you looked into wireless remote style winch controls? I sold my car trailer years ago before trailers doubled in price, wish I wouldn't have but just didn't use it much at all and hated to see a brand new trailer sitting there. But I had bought a harbor freight 12,000 lb winch for it and never got around to mounting it and still have the barely used winch. I always was going to pick up the wireless remote for it to make it easy for me to sit in a dead vehicle to steer it and be able to pull it up onto the trailer without worrying about driving over a cord or anything like that. Don't have personal experience with using one but sure seemed like a great idea to me.

Scott, yes, I've considered a wireless modification/conversion, but in case you haven't read anywhere else on my thread, I'm not a fan of things requiring batteries. :ROFLMAO: Seems like whenever you need them to work, the damn battery is dead. I haven't been sold yet and even if I do decide to use one, I still want a hard-wired controller for when the wireless doesn't work. :rolleyes: I'm also going against my own advice and probably not going with a Warn winch. I am a complete Warn fanboy and have been my entire life, but for this application I just can't justify the cost. I have read and heard quite a bit of good about the Badlands from that one place. :rolleyes: I also realize that even the few items I plan on doing to the trailer will probably be hard to justify as I don't see this trailer being used all that much. Nowhere near as much as our enclosed trailers were at least and probably similar to my last couple of open trailers, but it will be nice in those instances I do need it.
 
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I had been thinking to ask if you had thought of installing a trickle charger for the winch battery when I saw you mention a small solar panel. Will that get enough sun where you plan to park the trailer?

It will be a trial and error before I permanently mount the solar panel. I put a small solar light out there a few weeks ago and it seemed to charge up ok. I despise extension cords sprawled out around the yard so I don't want to use a corded trickle charger.
 

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Scott, yes, I've considered a wireless modification/conversion, but in case you haven't read anywhere else on my thread, I'm not a fan of things requiring batteries. :ROFLMAO: Seems like whenever you need them to work, the damn battery is dead. I haven't been sold yet and even if I do decide to use one, I still want a hard-wired controller for when the wireless doesn't work. :rolleyes: I'm also going against my own advice and probably not going with a Warn winch. I am a complete Warn fanboy and have been my entire life, but for this application I just can't justify the cost. I have read and heard quite a bit of good about the Badlands from that one place. :rolleyes: I also realize that even the few items I plan on doing to the trailer will probably be hard to justify as I don't see this trailer being used all that much. Nowhere near as much as our enclosed trailers were at least and probably similar to my last couple of open trailers, but it will be nice in those instances I do need it.


Makes sense Mike. They need to make the remote USB-C rechargeable and include a charging cord from the winch control so the remote can be plugged in all the time charging from the winch and ready to use. Maybe they do, I haven't looked into them in a long time. I have only used my badlands 12k a handful of times but it worked great and think it was well worth the price. I bought the trailer hitch mount also(I know you said you want to permentaly mount yours) but I wanted to be able to take it off since I don't use the trailer very often and my yard isn't as secure as yours. I also wanted to be able to use it for other things like pulling dead vehicles into the shop. I bought a hitch plate, plate with receiver tube welded to it to mount at the front edge of a workbench and be able to stick the winch in that when needed and pull a vehicle in the shop and then be able to pull the pin and remove the winch to store it out of the way.
 

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Mike, just spitballing here but have you considered using a fixed ****** block on the deck to change line direction so you can mount the winch out of the way?

We used to do this all the time when we were logging USFS woodlots. Pulled a lot of trees around corners this way.
 

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I'm also going against my own advice and probably not going with a Warn winch. I am a complete Warn fanboy and have been my entire life, but for this application I just can't justify the cost. I have read and heard quite a bit of good about the Badlands from that one place. :rolleyes:

Mike do you subscribe to 'Matts Off-Road Recovery' channel on YouTube? He uses the 12K Badlands winches exclusively. Yes, I know HF is one of his sponsors, but trust me, he can afford any brand of winch, and he yet he chooses these and does some serious work with them. IIRC his off-road wrecker has five of them that he operates via a wireless remote panel.

If the Badlands winch is good enough for him, I'd certainly buy one. As matter of fact I almost did last year for my Jeep, but decided until I upgraded my rig for more serious off-roading, I didn't need one...yet.
 
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Makes sense Mike. They need to make the remote USB-C rechargeable and include a charging cord from the winch control so the remote can be plugged in all the time charging from the winch and ready to use. Maybe they do, I haven't looked into them in a long time. I have only used my badlands 12k a handful of times but it worked great and think it was well worth the price. I bought the trailer hitch mount also(I know you said you want to permentaly mount yours) but I wanted to be able to take it off since I don't use the trailer very often and my yard isn't as secure as yours. I also wanted to be able to use it for other things like pulling dead vehicles into the shop. I bought a hitch plate, plate with receiver tube welded to it to mount at the front edge of a workbench and be able to stick the winch in that when needed and pull a vehicle in the shop and then be able to pull the pin and remove the winch to store it out of the way.

Glad to hear you like your Badlands 12k Scott. I am considering their 9500 ZXR as that should drag anything I need up the deck and a far cry less expensive than a considerable Warn. I may hold out a bit and keep my eye for a good used one right up until the time I need one to mount though. I could "possibly" get away with the smaller Badlands 5500 Apex or UTV winch and "maybe" fit it in the tight space, but I only want to do this once and don't want to be disappointed if I end up buying something that doesn't roll easily.

Mike, just spitballing here but have you considered using a fixed ****** block on the deck to change line direction so you can mount the winch out of the way?

We used to do this all the time when we were logging USFS woodlots. Pulled a lot of trees around corners this way.

Scott, I really haven't given it any thought because being an open trailer and unfrequently used, my experience with both of those variables is another failure point and something that must be kept lubed to prevent seizing. The juice ain't worth the squeeze in my opinion.
 
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Mike do you subscribe to 'Matts Off-Road Recovery' channel on YouTube? He uses the 12K Badlands winches exclusively. Yes, I know HF is one of his sponsors, but trust me, he can afford any brand of winch, and he yet he chooses these and does some serious work with them. IIRC his off-road wrecker has five of them that he operates via a wireless remote panel.

If the Badlands winch is good enough for him, I'd certainly buy one. As matter of fact I almost did last year for my Jeep, but decided until I upgraded my rig for more serious off-roading, I didn't need one...yet.

Thanks Vincent. When I was researching a couple of weeks ago, his channel is one that popped up repeatedly when googling the Badlands winch reviews.
 

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I have both Warn and HF winches and each has their place. For a trailer the HF or it's import clones would be sufficient. Steel cable. Can upgrade the marginal quality wiring, or even relocate the contactor box out of sight with the battery for a cleaner look. I would put a cover on it if it sits outside.
 

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Glad to hear you like your Badlands 12k Scott. I am considering their 9500 ZXR as that should drag anything I need up the deck and a far cry less expensive than a considerable Warn. I may hold out a bit and keep my eye for a good used one right up until the time I need one to mount though. I could "possibly" get away with the smaller Badlands 5500 Apex or UTV winch and "maybe" fit it in the tight space, but I only want to do this once and don't want to be disappointed if I end up buying something that doesn't roll easily.



Scott, I really haven't given it any thought because being an open trailer and unfrequently used, my experience with both of those variables is another failure point and something that must be kept lubed to prevent seizing. The juice ain't worth the squeeze in my opinion.
I don't have a ton of experience with winching and I'm sure you know way more then me. But when I first got my trailer I got a smaller ATV/UTV winch from HF, my thought was I'm not dragging crashed up non rolling vehicles up so I just need to overcome the rolling resistance and then pull it up the ramps. Figured a few thousand pounds would be fine for that since I didn't plan on dragging any non rolling vehicles up onto the trailer, just get them rolling and pull the rolling vehicle up onto the trailer. But I was way wrong, got it mounted and went to pull a rolling car on and that winch just made funny noises. Ended up using a cable come a long to get it up onto trailer. Not sure if your trailer has a lesser angle then mine with ramps did and that would allow you to use a small winch or not. Want to say I had a 4500 winch but don't remember exactly, thought about getting something a little bigger but didn't want to drive the 40 minutes each way to HF again and be let down so just went all in with the 12k the next time they had it on sale. I just wanted to buy once and know I would have a winch that would be able to pull whatever I needed up onto the trailer and be able to strap it down and go. Maybe a 5500 would have worked but I didn't want to take a chance after seeing something close to that was clearly not up to the task. Didn't want to have to worry about getting a call from the daughter or someone that they broke down on interstate and get out there and have winch not be able to do it and have to mess around hand winching it up with semis flying by 2 ft away.

I'm sure you have more experience with this stuff than I do and know what will work for you but after that experience I didn't want to try something in the middle and be let down again.
 
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I have both Warn and HF winches and each has their place. For a trailer the HF or it's import clones would be sufficient. Steel cable. Can upgrade the marginal quality wiring, or even relocate the contactor box out of sight with the battery for a cleaner look. I would put a cover on it if it sits outside.

Thanks for the feedback Justin. Yes, I will definitely be fabricating a rigid cover and paint it to match to provide protection for the winch. I will also run wire rope rather than the synthetic rope for the same reason, infrequent use and environment.


I don't have a ton of experience with winching and I'm sure you know way more then me. But when I first got my trailer I got a smaller ATV/UTV winch from HF, my thought was I'm not dragging crashed up non rolling vehicles up so I just need to overcome the rolling resistance and then pull it up the ramps. Figured a few thousand pounds would be fine for that since I didn't plan on dragging any non rolling vehicles up onto the trailer, just get them rolling and pull the rolling vehicle up onto the trailer. But I was way wrong, got it mounted and went to pull a rolling car on and that winch just made funny noises. Ended up using a cable come a long to get it up onto trailer. Not sure if your trailer has a lesser angle then mine with ramps did and that would allow you to use a small winch or not. Want to say I had a 4500 winch but don't remember exactly, thought about getting something a little bigger but didn't want to drive the 40 minutes each way to HF again and be let down so just went all in with the 12k the next time they had it on sale. I just wanted to buy once and know I would have a winch that would be able to pull whatever I needed up onto the trailer and be able to strap it down and go. Maybe a 5500 would have worked but I didn't want to take a chance after seeing something close to that was clearly not up to the task. Didn't want to have to worry about getting a call from the daughter or someone that they broke down on interstate and get out there and have winch not be able to do it and have to mess around hand winching it up with semis flying by 2 ft away.

I'm sure you have more experience with this stuff than I do and know what will work for you but after that experience I didn't want to try something in the middle and be let down again.

Thanks for clarifying my fear Scott. I kind of thought the same thing that a rolling vehicle might be able to be pulled up with <5500 pound winch, but I don't want to roll the dice and be disappointed. My last trailer was ramped and the 6500 pound Superwinch struggled terribly on the initial ramp approach. Once it got to the apex of the ramps the tension lessened, but going up the ramps was nerve racking. I think my tilt deck trailer having less than a 10-degree angle should provide much better approach angle, but I simply don't want to risk it, and I think the 12k is overkill, so the 9500 seems like a nice compromise in pulling power.
 

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Looking at the Apex 550 dimensions and making some assumptions about your trailer frame I would think you could get it to fit in a recessed swing up box like Diamon C does. If not is it critical that it's flush to the decking?

The recessed winch mounting is so clean and keeps it out of the elements and out of sight.
 
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Looking at the Apex 550 dimensions and making some assumptions about your trailer frame I would think you could get it to fit in a recessed swing up box like Diamon C does. If not is it critical that it's flush to the decking?

The recessed winch mounting is so clean and keeps it out of the elements and out of sight.

The Diamond C tilt up version was what I was going to try and copy. But I simply don't have the available space, even for a smaller UTV style of winch, which I don't think will be adequate anyways.
 

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when you were talking about mounting your winch did you consider using pulleys, they make removeable pulleys for flatbeds that fit into a receiver mounted to the deck so you can change direction. I can't find the product now, but I will look and see if they still make it. Also, most light duty tow trucks and flatbeds have an 8000lbs winch.
 
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when you were talking about mounting your winch did you consider using pulleys, they make removeable pulleys for flatbeds that fit into a receiver mounted to the deck so you can change direction. I can't find the product now, but I will look and see if they still make it. Also, most light duty tow trucks and flatbeds have an 8000lbs winch.

Yes, I mentioned earlier that pulleys/****** blocks just add to the complexity of the system and require routine maintenance or they become inoperable when needed. I like the KISS method.
 
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Last night after getting home there were a couple of blue sucker holes opening up so I thought I'd take advantage of the daylight and get the OPE pressure washed so I could get it back into the shop to dry off.

Everything hit with degreaser/cleaner from the pressure pot before firing up the Stihl pressure washer.
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Edger washed and set aside.
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Line trimmer washed and set aside.
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My 34 year old Snapper 21" mower washed.
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This thing looks nearly new after a thorough cleaning.
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With it only being about 38-degrees outside, I was wet and cold and wanted to get everything back into the shop. Just before bringing everything into the shop, I blew off as much as I could with compressed air and fired each piece of equipment up and let it run for a few minutes to warm up and dry off the engine and electrical components. I don't like washing things and then just putting them away without running them for a few minutes.
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Toro Timecutter ZTR cleaned up nice as well. The last couple of mows as the temps dropped slightly, the ZTR required the assistance of a boost as the battery is now 5-years old and needing replacement. I figured I could make due being as late in the season I wasn't going to put a new battery in it, that can wait until spring.
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I should be able to put the deck back under the ZTR and put everything back into the attached garage over the weekend and get it out of the shop. I also started and ran the snowblower for a bit to make sure it is ready to go for snow.
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Thanks for looking.
 

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Equipment looks great, Mike!

You are making me have an internal guilt trip, guess I need to drag my OPE into the shop this winter and give them some love! I know my rider needs it, at just over 50hrs, its ready for an oil change at a minimum and should likely pull the deck out and give it a good once over and grease job.
 
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Equipment looks great, Mike!

You are making me have an internal guilt trip, guess I need to drag my OPE into the shop this winter and give them some love! I know my rider needs it, at just over 50hrs, its ready for an oil change at a minimum and should likely pull the deck out and give it a good once over and grease job.

Thanks Mike.

I know I over-maintain my equipment, but I also attribute that over-maintenance to the fact that my 21" Snapper walk-behind mower is over 34 years old now and still looks and runs like it did in 1991 when I purchased it at our new first home. I'm sure many can relate that they don't like replacing things unnecessarily, at least that is the vibe I get on this forum more so than other forums. My Toro ZTR is now 9 years old and also still looks and runs like new with 262 total hours on it. The FSM states oil changes at 100 hours, but I usually put a little over half of that on in one season so it is no big deal to throw a couple quarts of oil and a filter at it at the end of the season so that acidic and nasty oil doesn't sit in the crankcase all winter long. Then come spring everything is ready to roll. Also, any deficiencies or things that need to be addressed can be taken care of before spring so my personal feeling is that for a couple evenings worth of work it it worth the results.
 
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Once the OPE was pressure washed and moved back into the shop and the concrete was washed off, I was freezing and just wanted to be working in a nice warm shop, so I decided to do some preliminary checks on the Wheel Horse.

I've owned this for just over a year and a half now and although I did some very basic checks when my son and I went to purchase it, the gentleman mentioned that it hadn't run in over a decade and was just parked under a tarp alongside his shed. It was a filthy mess with cobwebs, fluids and who knows what else under it.

After last week's thorough cleaning and getting it into the shop for a complete teardown, I wanted to dive just a little deeper into the overall condition of the tractor to determine what and how deep I needed to go into certain components. I know very little of these original Wheel Horse tractors other than that they are rare and well sought after, so those two reasons alone were why I wanted it. The little research I did do, I learned that although these automatic versions are well made and somewhat more rare, that the automatic transmissions do have an alarmingly high failure rate "IF" neglected, meaning they don't respond well to abuse or neglect. I figured I would give it a good check and maybe even see if I could get the ole' girl running to test the transmission before I tear it apart.

During my cleaning last week, I did notice some areas of the frame/chassis had been "repaired" before, but these weren't visible under all of the dirt, grime and grease caked to it. While trying to warm up I thought I would start poking around at various areas and noticed this spot in particular.
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The main section under the hydraulic cylinder mounting has been broken and haphazardly repaired before so this will be an area I will focus on during my restoration process. It does look like it has held since the repair as I see no further cracking or pulling away of weldments, but this will need to be addressed as it looks terrible.
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The engine oil was just a little low, but it appeared to be in fair condition and I saw no moisture in it.
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The transmission on this tractor uses 10W-30 motor oil and it appears to be in like new condition. Nice and gold with no glitter or odd smells. That can mean one of two things; either the previous owner knew it had issues and decided to pull a Hail Mary and change the oil to see if it would revive it, OR, the previous owner actually stayed up on the maintenance and had serviced it shortly before decommissioning it. I'm hoping it was the latter. :unsure:
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Hell, I couldn't even get the air filter assembly torn apart as the threads were so messed up on the stud so after messing with that for 15-minutes I wondered what I was getting myself into. The wiring is also a birds nest of splices and cuts so when I do the final teardown, I will zip-tie wires for routing and then build a new wire harness during the restoration.
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As I pulled the spark plugs and noted they were in terrible condition, I thought I'd see if it would turn over and maybe do a quick compression test on both cylinders. I thought the spark plugs came out awfully easy though.
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Sure enough, when I went to thread my compression tester into the cylinder head it wouldn't tighten. Upon closer inspection I see there are no threads in the head. Well ****, looks like somebody over-tightened the spark plug and didn't torque it to spec.
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I finagled the threads on the tester enough to "somewhat" thread into the head and sure enough, the engine would spin over and it built around 75 PSI compression. Not great, but then again, the tester is not sealing into the head very well so I was just pleased to see anything over about 50 PSI.
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Went to the next cylinder and sure enough that spark plug came out awfully easy as well.
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Stay tuned for more pictures.
 

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As I pulled the spark plugs and noted they were in terrible condition, I thought I'd see if it would turn over and maybe do a quick compression test on both cylinders. I thought the spark plugs came out awfully easy though.
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Sure enough, when I went to thread my compression tester into the cylinder head it wouldn't tighten. Upon closer inspection I see there are no threads in the head. Well ****, looks like somebody over-tightened the spark plug and didn't torque it to spec.
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I finagled the threads on the tester enough to "somewhat" thread into the head and sure enough, the engine would spin over and it built around 75 PSI compression. Not great, but then again, the tester is not sealing into the head very well so I was just pleased to see anything over about 50 PSI.
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Went to the next cylinder and sure enough that spark plug came out awfully easy as well.
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Stay tuned for more pictures.
Those are the "quick change" plugs they use for on the fly swaps between heats when running nitromethane at the lawnmower drag races....
 
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Continuing on.

Yep, you guessed it, the threads on this cylinder are jacked up as well.
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I could get just over 75 PSI but as soon as I tried taking a picture it was leaking down quickly because of the poor seal on the threads.
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Next I decided to see if it had spark as I hear coil failure is another common issue on these.
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Good spark and I could hear the fuel pump running when I turned the ignition so all these were good signs thus far.
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Next I thought I'd see if it would do more than just turn over. I grabbed a jug of fuel and removed the hose at the carburetor to see if I could get the fuel system primed.
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After multiple attempts at getting fuel to the carb and removing line by line to make sure there were no blockages, I figured it must be the fuel pump. I was able to look up the numbers on my napaprolink account and they even showed one in stock, to the tune of $93. I figured I was dead in the water until I could grab a new fuel pump, but just for shits and grins, I thought I would disassemble the fuel pump and see if maybe it was just a stuck check valve or plunger assembly as it was at least making noise.
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Upon disassembly it was evident that no fuel had even made it to the fuel pump yet. I used some Zep 45 to clean up and lube the internals. The center plunger was completely frozen in place, but after a couple shots with Zep 45 and some pushing with a flat punch, it moved. Then a little more attention and it move the other direction. With a little more finesse, I was able to get the plunger flying back and forth while shaking the inlet so I put everything back together making certain the check valves, plunger and springs were in the correct orientation.
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and before reinstalling, I just hooked it up to the battery charger and sure enough it spit fuel out of it. :thumbup:
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I connected the ground ring, connected the positive connector, hooked the fuel lines back up all the way to the carb and tried it again. BINGO! We now have fuel all the way to the carburetor. But surely, the float is going to be stuck or the passages in the carb will be plugged solid, right? :dunno:
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Stay tuned......
 
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Yep, she's alive. :bounce:


It took a few revolutions and some coercing of the choke, but she fired up and sputtered to life for the first time in over a decade.


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It actually idles quite well all things considered. I haven't had a chance to try the transmission out yet, but just getting the engine running is a major hurdle.

Thanks for looking.
 

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Always great to see something sit dormant for that long come back to life. Not that you can rest on any laurels here, but you now know it runs and can hone in on the scope of the rebuild.
This will be fun to watch - can't wait for the "scope creep" to rear its ugly head!!!:LOL::ROFLMAO:
 
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Always great to see something sit dormant for that long come back to life. Not that you can rest on any laurels here, but you now know it runs and can hone in on the scope of the rebuild.
This will be fun to watch - can't wait for the "scope creep" to rear its ugly head!!!:LOL::ROFLMAO:

There won't be any scope creep Gary. NO scope creep. Everything will according to plan and budget. NO SCOPE CREEP.



















As I keep repeating over and over in my head......... :rolleyes:
 
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We know you will be satisfied and done with the WH project when it gets a custom cover and a parking spot next to the Camaro in the shop.

I don't know about custom cover, but it won't be sitting outside, so I'll have to find somewhere to park it when not in use.

I think it will have a spot in the attached garage during the summer months after removing the dozer blade. Then in the winter when it will get used, I will probably store it in the shop with the blade on so it's ready to go when it snows.


Yeah, right! :lol_hitti


So are the heads on this machine aluminum?

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Yes Dan, the heads are aluminum. A little less aluminum now that's it's missing threads. ;)



I'm actually wondering if this is an old 2 cylinder Wisconsin engine. And cast iron.

I may have missed it, but what's the year on this Mike?

Keith, the Wheel Horse is a 1974 D180 Auto model and it is actually a twin cylinder Kohler engine powering it.
 
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Mike, thanks!

To what @ScepterToad said, the engines made in Wisconsin back in the day had cast iron heads. Looks like new threaded bungs are on the scope!

:beer:

Yep, either Helicoils or some form of new bung will be needed. Not sure if I may try to do that now or just wait until the engine is apart.
 

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There won't be any scope creep Gary. NO scope creep. Everything will according to plan and budget. NO SCOPE CREEP.



















As I keep repeating over and over in my head......... :rolleyes:
I put the odds of @Grizz1963 escalating his platonic relationship higher than you avoiding scope creep on this lawn tractor project.
Anyone want the over/ under on this one?
 

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Mike, I was going to say don't compression gauges have a schrader valve in the end of them so they hold max pressure? But while typing I vaguely remembered something about removing the valve for small engine testing. I can't remember ever testing a small engine now that I think about it, have used the thumb over the hole to see if there is any compression at all. LOL

I have a few of the spark plug thread repair kits, the calvan kit for the ford tritons and then a lisle 14mm kit and last year I had to buy a kit for the smaller 12mm plugs for a newer jeep engine that someone stripped out replacing the plugs to fix a misfire caused by an injector. Got a time sert kit for that one.
 
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