ZMotorsports Shop Projects 2.0

[Bears Fan]

Beautiful welds looks like that weld would be tricky with the keg wall thickness thinner then the plug and not getting the keg too hot.

 

[74cj5]

Mike,
I just finished reading your shop build thread and the shop projects 2.0. Your attention to detail and meticulous work are an inspiration.
I have been a tool & die maker since the early 80s, and I find your work a joy to encounter.

I do have a question for you. Awhile ago you mentioned putting some new continental tires on your wife’s car, and I was wondering what your opinion on them is now that she has run them for awhile?

 

[zmotorsports]

Here are a few pictures of the last couple of bungs welded in the stainless steel keg.







Thanks for looking.

 

[zmotorsports]

Beautiful welds looks like that weld would be tricky with the keg wall thickness thinner then the plug and not getting the keg too hot.

Thank you. I don't weld on stainless too awfully much but I think they turned out acceptable. The key to welding anything of various thicknesses is to focus the heat (arc) on the thicker material. It usually doesn't take much but just enough to move the focal point of the arc away from the thinner material slightly to keep from blowing a hole in it.

 

[zmotorsports]

Mike,
I just finished reading your shop build thread and the shop projects 2.0. Your attention to detail and meticulous work are an inspiration.
I have been a tool & die maker since the early 80s, and I find your work a joy to encounter.

I do have a question for you. Awhile ago you mentioned putting some new continental tires on your wife’s car, and I was wondering what your opinion on them is now that she has run them for awhile?

Thank you very much. I appreciate that you took the time to read through both threads.

As for the Continental tires, she has driven them in everything except snow, which is about to change in the next few days. My initial impression was that they may have had a bit stiffer sidewall than the Toyo's that I had removed but that may have just been the placebo effect. They ride and handle great but I don't have as much seat time in the Acura as she does and she said she couldn't tell a difference in ride quality at all. They have handled a good heavy rain storm a few weeks back with no issues as they seem to have good channeling to the exterior of the tread pattern. That was one of the things I liked about the design was the open outside tread pattern to allow water and/or snow to easily escape from the center of the tire.

I'm sorry I don't have more information but I will report back after a few drives in the snow and see how they do.

Thanks again for following along and for the kind words.

 

[74cj5]

Thanks for the reply Mike. Do you recall offhand which of the Continental tires it was that you put in there? I have been looking at them, and there does seem to be quite a selection to choose from.
As always, keep up the inspiring work!

 

[zmotorsports]

Thanks for the reply Mike. Do you recall offhand which of the Continental tires it was that you put in there? I have been looking at them, and there does seem to be quite a selection to choose from.
As always, keep up the inspiring work!

The tires I went with were the Continental PureContact LS. They were the newest version of the tire and took about a week to get due to them not being in stock. You can see the full installation and pictures of them back in post #5623 on page # 141.

Thanks.

 

[zmotorsports]

I had planned on tearing into the Dana 44 front axle from the Chevy K10 project in the shop last night but on the way home it was registering around 54-degrees and figured I may not see those temps for several months and I wanted to get the old oil out of the Cummins ISL engine in the coach.

As soon as I got home I popped the RV bay door open, started the coach to get the engine warm and raise the coach up as well as get any contaminants suspended in the oil. Once jackstands were placed under the coach I removed the drain plug and dumped the 7-gallons of oil.



Five gallon buckets at the ready as well as absorbent pads and lights.


Had to raise the rear up just another inch or so to capture the last hole in the jackstand so I slid my air over hydraulic bottle jack under the coach.


Five gallon buckets clear by about 1/2" and just enough to allow me to unscrew the drain plug by hand and get the oil draining. When one bucket is nearly full I slide it out of the way with the second one and don't even spill a drop. New drain plug and sealing washer at the ready to install and torque to 59 ft/lbs.



After reinstalling and torqueing the drain plug in place I move over to the driver's side and drop the 2.5 qt. oil filter and prep to receive the new one. Then it was a matter of dumping the remaining oil into the engine via the access hatch in the bedroom closet, firing up the engine to build back pressure and relevel. Put everything back together and get it closed down for the next couple of months. While the engine was running I replaced my broken cup holder near the pilot's seat that broke last trip out and put all of my paperwork in the file.

I think the last remaining item I have to do on the coach is to replace the skylight over the shower which actually showed up over the weekend but I am not in a hurry to do that as I have some time between now and the first trip of 2022. I will focus on getting some paying jobs done then when the temps start to come back up I can plan a day to do that.

Thanks for looking.

 

[zmotorsports]

We received our first snow on the valley floor yesterday.

Arrived home to find a skiff on the driveway and about half inch on the grass with intermittent flurries.




I bumped the heat up and went to work disassembling the Dana 44 from the 70's K10 project. Here you can see this has shims to set pinion preload vs. a crush sleeve.


Also, as I mentioned in one of my previous posts when doing axles, some differentials have the shims located inboard of the carrier bearings on the carrier. This older style Dana 44 is one example of that style of setup.


Starting to clean the housing and remove the pinion races.


Another variation on this older style Dana 44 is that the pinion depth is achieved by shimming under the inner pinion race rather than between the inner pinion bearing and the head of the pinion.


Housing cleaned and ready to replace the inner axle shaft seals as well as starting the setup procedure.


After closing up the shop I took the garbage cans to the street and had to take a shot of the shop from the outside with the new wall pack lights illuminated on the house garage. They really light up this dark area on the west side of my house garage leading back to the shop. I didn't get a chance to use them last year as we had no snow but something tells me they'll get used this year.



Thanks for looking.

 

[4 FN 27]

We received our first snow on the valley floor yesterday.

Arrived home to find a skiff on the driveway and about half inch on the grass with intermittent flurries.

6-12 inches expected here in the next 24 hours Mike. And guess what??? I am looking forward to it!!!

 

[PugetDude]

Your Utah snow is currently falling as liquid sunshine here in Arizona.

 

[zmotorsports]

6-12 inches expected here in the next 24 hours Mike. And guess what??? I am looking forward to it!!!

To be honest Pat, I think when I retire I can and will actually enjoy the snow again. I used to enjoy the hell out of it when I was hourly and wrenching full-time as well as snowmobiling. However, the past 6 years now I have been in charge of snow removal for our site and with having to deal with STUPID *** people it has made me hate snow. People these days expect the site to look like it does in June within an hour of a snowstorm. I cannot get it through their thick *** heads that you drove in on snowpacked roads and the state crews are optimally set up to deal with snow removal. WHY do you think we will have the site completely cleared when you drove in on snowpacked roads????? I swear no one accepts personal accountability these days and nothing is EVER their fault.

Dealing with an accident this morning that has already gotten me fired up. We were expected to have 1"-4" of snow overnight. We didn't get it and only had a skiff. I would say well under a half an inch here at work. We did NOT call the snow removal crew in because we have a guideline that we have all agreed upon that we will not call in the plow crew unless we have an inch plus of snow. Mainly because the majority of the time anything less than an inch will melt off by around noon which is when the crew would be finishing up anyways. We also have a guideline that the janitorial service OR the leadership team for each department will clear the snow from the doorway to the end of the dock, about where a 53' trailer would end when backed up to our docks. This will allow the snowplowing crew to collect the snow from the majority of the site without having to get the big equipment in near our buildings and potentially contact a building, stairwell or hand railing and thus eliminating that possible damage.

Yesterday I went to each department to ensure there was a snow shovel and ice melt at the door of each department and sent out a reminder email that we should keep the entrance to our respective buildings cleared of snow and ice with the upcoming storm.

Well, today someone slipped and fell twisting their ankle about 5' from the door to one of our buildings and I was the FIRST F**KING phone call to have to answer for it. I had to explain myself on why I did not have the plowing crew on site this morning. I had to go over ALL of our previous communications about the guidelines that we all have agreed upon and then referred them to my email just as recent as yesterday.

This **** is beyond ridiculous and why I hate snow so much. Personally, I don't mind driving in it because I know how to drive in it. I worry about the idiots on the road and my wife, son and DIL having to drive in it but that is secondary to the stupidity I have to deal with at work. I almost look forward to being able to take my time to clear it from my driveway and enjoy it again when the wife and I are retired. But for now I simply HATE snow.

Sorry, rant over, it's been a ****** morning already.

 

[Rag Roc]

Didn't know if I should like, or wow your post. I'm the safety guy here at work and feel for you. For everyone else, it's safety third until someone gets hurt, then the blame game starts. Glad you could vent, and hope your day gets much better.
Regards,

 

[4 FN 27]

To be honest Pat, I think when I retire I can and will actually enjoy the snow again. I used to enjoy the hell out of it when I was hourly and wrenching full-time as well as snowmobiling. However, the past 6 years now I have been in charge of snow removal for our site and with having to deal with STUPID *** people it has made me hate snow. People these days expect the site to look like it does in June within an hour of a snowstorm. I cannot get it through their thick *** heads that you drove in on snowpacked roads and the state crews are optimally set up to deal with snow removal. WHY do you think we will have the site completely cleared when you drove in on snowpacked roads????? I swear no one accepts personal accountability these days and nothing is EVER their fault.

Dealing with an accident this morning that has already gotten me fired up. We were expected to have 1"-4" of snow overnight. We didn't get it and only had a skiff. I would say well under a half an inch here at work. We did NOT call the snow removal crew in because we have a guideline that we have all agreed upon that we will not call in the plow crew unless we have an inch plus of snow. Mainly because the majority of the time anything less than an inch will melt off by around noon which is when the crew would be finishing up anyways. We also have a guideline that the janitorial service OR the leadership team for each department will clear the snow from the doorway to the end of the dock, about where a 53' trailer would end when backed up to our docks. This will allow the snowplowing crew to collect the snow from the majority of the site without having to get the big equipment in near our buildings and potentially contact a building, stairwell or hand railing and thus eliminating that possible damage.

Yesterday I went to each department to ensure there was a snow shovel and ice melt at the door of each department and sent out a reminder email that we should keep the entrance to our respective buildings cleared of snow and ice with the upcoming storm.

Well, today someone slipped and fell twisting their ankle about 5' from the door to one of our buildings and I was the FIRST F**KING phone call to have to answer for it. I had to explain myself on why I did not have the plowing crew on site this morning. I had to go over ALL of our previous communications about the guidelines that we all have agreed upon and then referred them to my email just as recent as yesterday.

This **** is beyond ridiculous and why I hate snow so much. Personally, I don't mind driving in it because I know how to drive in it. I worry about the idiots on the road and my wife, son and DIL having to drive in it but that is secondary to the stupidity I have to deal with at work. I almost look forward to being able to take my time to clear it from my driveway and enjoy it again when the wife and I are retired. But for now I simply HATE snow.

Sorry, rant over, it's been a ****** morning already.

Oh Mike I get it!!! I deal with the same thing.

2 years ago at our monthly All Company Meeting the Safety Director started his portion of the meeting off with "Anyone who has slipped or fell on company property please stand up". Then he goes on "Anyone who has been injured please remain standing and the rest of you can sit down". Follow by "Now maybe Management will do something about it".

We had a nice 90 minute chat after the meeting. I explained to him we do everything and then some required by the State of MN for Snow and Ice removal with the understanding it is ******* winter in MN and along with winter comes ice and snow. He argued back and I told him to research it himself.

The next day he came in and apologized to me and at the next meeting apologized to the whole company for his lack of tack in the matter.

We do have a rigorous shoveling and plowing program. Short of requiring everyone to wear Cleats, a Helmet and Bubble Wrap on the trip to and from their car (which I can require) we do everything we can.

I also explained to him I could take him way more seriously making Safety suggestions if he would at least wear Steel Toe Footwear instead of Tennis Shoes while working on the floor of a Sheet Metal Shop. Fortunately he is no longer here and is selling Cars for a living now. Hope he is having fun clearing the snow from all the cars on the lot. Every Car Salesman looks forward to that.

 

[zmotorsports]

That was my response to my boss this morning Pat, "it's ******* winter in Northern Utah. HOW are we supposed to have it look like summer here when the roads they drove in on are snowpacked worse than here on-site?" I swear common sense is GONE and stupidity has run amuck over the past decade or so and it's getting worse every damn day.

I have been injured 3 times in my 33+ years of wrenching for this company. None serious and only two of those times requiring a couple of stitches and not in any of those times did I ever blame the company nor expect anything in return. I was more pissed at myself for not paying closer attention and allowing myself to get injured. That was back when we were responsible for ourselves and didn't rely on others to be responsible for our own stupidity though. I just don't know how much longer I can work in this environment where everything is maintenance's fault and if someone gets injured it's anybody else's fault but the individuals.

 

[PugetDude]

That was my response to my boss this morning Pat, "it's ******* winter in Northern Utah. HOW are we supposed to have it look like summer here when the roads they drove in on are snowpacked worse than here on-site?" I swear common sense is GONE and stupidity has run amuck over the past decade or so and it's getting worse every damn day.

I have been injured 3 times in my 33+ years of wrenching for this company. None serious and only two of those times requiring a couple of stitches and not in any of those times did I ever blame the company nor expect anything in return. I was more pissed at myself for not paying closer attention and allowing myself to get injured. That was back when we were responsible for ourselves and didn't rely on others to be responsible for our own stupidity though. I just don't know how much longer I can work in this environment where everything is maintenance's fault and if someone gets injured it's anybody else's fault but the individuals.

But...but... but... they're victims, Mike; raised that way since childhood.
You can't play litigation lotto if you accept responsibility for your own actions.

 

[Sifan]

Years ago, I sat in on a required accident investigation. An experienced line operator reached around a three sided guard to feel a belt to see if it had slack in it. The tips of three fingers verified that it was tight enough to do damage. After a twenty minutes investigation, the safety committee was making plans to add the fourth side guard on every piece of equipment in the 5 story manufacturing facility. The plant manager sat to my left and had a habit of cracking his knuckles when he was pissed off. I patiently waited for the cracking that I knew was coming, just a matter of time. The knuckle cracking came and was followed with a statement that there was no way we could ever idiot proof the whole facility and if you reached around a three sided guard, you are an IDIOT. We are not spending one dime to idiot proof this facility, you as a safety committee need to go out in the plant and tell people to be safe and not be an idiot. Knuckle crack, meeting adjourned

Sadly today, I'm sure they would be building guards.

 

[zmotorsports]

Years ago, I sat in on a required accident investigation. An experienced line operator reached around a three sided guard to feel a belt to see if it had slack in it. The tips of three fingers verified that it was tight enough to do damage. After a twenty minutes investigation, the safety committee was making plans to add the fourth side guard on every piece of equipment in the 5 story manufacturing facility. The plant manager sat to my left and had a habit of cracking his knuckles when he was pissed off. I patiently waited for the cracking that I knew was coming, just a matter of time. The knuckle cracking came and was followed with a statement that there was no way we could ever idiot proof the whole facility and if you reached around a three sided guard, you are an IDIOT. We are not spending one dime to idiot proof this facility, you as a safety committee need to go out in the plant and tell people to be safe and not be an idiot. Knuckle crack, meeting adjourned

Sadly today, I'm sure they would be building guards.

Yep. We went through that scenario last spring with our safety audit. One of our air compressors had a 1/2" gap around a belt guard. I think it was for ventilation because it was factory and had standoffs from the compressor holding the guard. The safety auditor mentioned someone could stick their finger in there and get injured. I said "it's in a secured maintenance area and if someone sticks their finger in that hole on purpose they deserve to get their finger bitten off." He just scowled at me and wrote it down. During the exit meeting he went over his findings and when he brought it up I again protested and said "wait a minute. We are told we cannot modify OEM components without written consent but now your saying we have to modify an OEM design. Are we changing the criteria now?" He simply said someone can stick their finger in there and get injured and we can't risk that. I simply stated "we can't idiot proof the entire site because guess what? There are more idiots being born every day." Needless to say we ended up closing the gap.

 

[zmotorsports]

I can't seem to get time to work on the old square body Chevy because I keep taking on other odds & ends instead. I really need to focus on the square body this week.

I had a client call me last week to see if I could hurry and get their VW Touareg in the shop to fix an oil leak that was driving them crazy so I obliged and had them bring it by Friday night after I informed them that I had received the parts that I had ordered. This way it could cool and I could start on it first thing Saturday morning.

This is a 2011 VW Touareg with the 3.0 liter V6 TDI (diesel) engine with about 134k miles on it and my first modern VW that I have worked on. When they asked me if I could fix it I just figured it's nuts and bolts so it can't be that much different than anything else. Evidently they were somewhat frustrated with the dealership they had it at the week prior. The right bank valve cover had been leaking and needed the gasket replaced plus I picked up three sealing washers for the injectors on that bank. I do not trust disturbing those injector sealing washers and having them reseal so I always replace them any time I disturb an injector on anything.

Lights set up and fender covers in place along with tools in the tool cart and ready to begin. I also recorded this process and posted it to my YouTube channel so hopefully it will help anyone else dealing with a similar issue.


Air box lid, MAF sensor and air box to intake duct removed to gain access to the right bank. Next was to disconnect the fuel return lines and move them out of the way.


Started disconnecting connectors and moving wiring up and out of the way.


Wiring from the injectors as well as injector high pressure lines removed. I always keep a few small bungee cords readily available to hold either wiring and/or brackets back out of they way. Here you can also see where the oil was dripping down onto the intercooler duct work from the leaking valve cover.


Wire loom mounting brackets out of the way and ready to start removing injectors. The worst part of the entire project was the upper rear wire loom bracket that bolted down to the top back of the valve cover. It had a bolt that attached to the valve cover and another bolt at the rear corner perpendicular to the valve cover right above the turbo housing. It required sorting through several tools until I found the one that would work to remove the bolt and slide the bracket about 2 inches rearward to allow the valve cover to be removed.


All three right bank injectors removed. As I was removing the injectors I also noted that the rear injector cover plate was loose so I think that was contributing to the oil residue on the upper portion of the valve cover.


Injectors actually look quite good. From a small amount of reading I had learned that these engines were known to have those sealing washers leak and incur combustion blow-by past the sealing washer and carbon the lower section of the injector body but these showed no evidence of any combustion leak so I was pleased to see that.


Valve cover removed and you can see at the front lower corner where I'm pointing where oil had gotten past the valve cover gasket.


Here at the lower rear of the head you can see the evidence of where the valve cover gasket was leaking and allowing oil all the way to the edge of the flange on the head.


These injectors came out quite easily with a slight twist and pull motion. I had anticipated having to extract them with a slide hammer so I purchased an injector removal tool but ended up not needing it on this particular job. It would have threaded on to the injector supply thread and the weight of the tool slid back striking the end to remove the injector.


Move pictures to follow......

 

[zmotorsports]

Continuing on with the valve cover gasket replacement on the VW Touareg.

Valve cover as well as wire loom brackets and fasteners in the solvent tank for a thorough cleaning.


Double checking to ensure the valve cover is not warped before installing the new gasket and starting reassembly.


Valve cover and injectors reinstalled. Also wire loom brackets in place ready to accept the wiring.


Everything reassembled less the intake duct and air box lid. I noted the air filter was in poor condition but I could not locate one on a Saturday afternoon so I listed it as needing to be replaced. Very surprised the dealership missed the air filter in their "23-point inspection". Maybe this is part of the reason the owner was unhappy with the last visit.


Fully assembled less the engine cover and fired up.


Engine cover cleaned and reinstalled.


Messy tool cart during the repair process. My second cup of coffee got me through the day.


Fender covers removed and tools put back in the toolbox before closing up the hood.


Client notified and awaiting to be picked up.


All in all a pretty straight forward job and pleased client.


Thanks for looking.

 

[PugetDude]

Nice work documenting the repair.

 

[zmotorsports]

Nice work documenting the repair.

Thank you.

 

[zmotorsports]

I worked a bit later than normal last night but I was able to get quite a bit completed on the Chevy Dana 44 front axle.

I had to pick up new inner axle seals and first order was to remove the old and install the new.


Seals installed.


I then removed the old carrier bearings.


These were in poor condition and definitely needed to be replaced.


Races showed signs of pitting as well.


Time to dig out the box of set up bearings again and match them up. Most of my lettering has worn off. Guess I'll need to relabel these again.


Pressing the new inner pinion bearings into place on the new pinion.


Shims installed under the inner pinion set up race and pinion installed. I can already tell I need to remove a couple thousandths of shims from the preload stack as with the pinion installed there is not much in the way of pinion preload.


Prepping the carrier to receive the new ring gear.


More pics to follow.....

 

[zmotorsports]

Continuing on..

Applying red Loctite to the ring gear bolts.


Torqueing the ring gear bolts in place.


Installing the original carrier shim stack under the set up bearings for initial test.




Race set in place and ready to install in housing for first test fitment.


Spreading the case to accept the carrier.


Carrier installed.



More pics to follow.....

 

[zmotorsports]

Last of last night's pictures.

I wasn't pleased with the first markings. Pinion was a bit too shallow.


On the coast side it is more evident that it is riding high up on the tooth near the face.


Second setup was much, much closer but now ever so slightly deep. At least I think I know where the final shim stack should be.




Backlash was good @ .007".



I think tonight I should be able to put it together for one more test fit with just a couple thousandths less pinion depth and everything should fall into place then move on to final assembly.

Thanks for looking.

 

[Finallygotit]

Mike, question for you. When you're spreading the case, how wide do you spread it? Thousands?

Thanks!

 

[zmotorsports]

Mike, question for you. When you're spreading the case, how wide do you spread it? Thousands?

Thanks!

Yes Dan, usually max. of about .020".

 

[Finallygotit]

JB?

 

[Seagoon]

JB?

Meh! All Cobra owners look the same

 

[zmotorsports]

JB?

I am so sorry Dan. I was just giving JB some **** on his thread and had JB on the brain, especially when I saw that Cobra avatar. My apologies.

 

[Finallygotit]

No worries Mike, it's all good!

I know of the **** you speak of in JB's thread. I'm watching you!

 

[Mr.zippy]

Careful Mike.............them furd guys are touchy.........

 

[zmotorsports]

Careful Mike.............them furd guys are touchy.........

Sure looks like it.

 

[Finallygotit]

Just remember, we're not the ones talking smack. Now where were we......

 

[jbmatth]

Looks like I missed all the fun. You own 1 Jeep, 2 Fords, 6 Chevys and I'm labeled a Furd guy, can't win for loosing. I'm glad he asked about the case spread dimension, I was curious about that as well.

JB

 

[zmotorsports]

Finished up the front axle for the square body last night. I had to dig my selection of shims out as I couldn't get EXACTLY what I was shooting for knowing the first run was just a bit too deep of pinion and the second try was much too shallow. I was trying to find a shim stack to net me only .002" less than the initial setup.


Finally found what I was looking for.


Third setup in action. Painted the ring gear to run what I was hoping was the final pattern check.


BINGO! That got me just what I was looking for.


Set up the dial indicator and zeroed it out.


Looks perfect @ .007" back lash.


Pressing the new carrier bearings in place with the correct shim under them while the outer pinion bearing is heating up on the bearing heater.


Yoke and seal at the ready as soon as the bearing is heated enough.


Carrier torqued in place and spec's engraved on the ring gear.


The sealing surface was a bit dinged up so I applied a thin layer of RTV before the gasket.


Cover installed and torqued in place. Front axle is ready to stab back under the truck.


I was hoping to be able to stab it in the truck tonight but it looks like I'll be doing snow removal duty instead.

Thanks for looking.

 

[zmotorsports]

These pictures are for Pat. Hope you enjoy them, cuz I didn't enjoy taking them.

Just as I was finishing up the front axle, the wife came out to tell me that dinner was ready. As I was locking up the shop and heading in the house the rain we had been getting all of a sudden turned to white **** falling from the sky.

The flash from the camera negated the big snow flakes but it started sticking to everything as soon as it changed from rain to snow.


This morning when I opened the garage door to leave for work. Needless to say, I had to dig my way out of the driveway this morning. I took about a half hour and fired up the snowblower to clear the front driveway. We had about 10 inches at the doorway and out at the street where it didn't drift it was a good 4 inches.


I would say between 4 and 6 inches total overall for the evenings storm. We had also lost power for a short time because I rolled over to look at the alarm clock and noticed it was flashing. In a panic I thought I overslept but it was only by a few minutes as it was 4:10 am when I awoke and decided I may as well get up and get ready. I knew I would have to dig my way out of the driveway.


Front of the house got plastered last night.


Main driveway and front steps cleared.


Leaving our subdivision around 5:30am. I was the second one out of the neighborhood. Someone was having fun as the other set of tracks were into our cul-de-sac and did a doughnut.


Tonight I'll have to tackle the side drive and back yard leading to the shop. That is where the real work will be.

 

[OutlawDrifter]

Mike, you keep that white stuff over on that side of the Rockies!

I had 63* this morning on the way into work(doesn't feel like December 15th in Kansas!), but we are supposed to have 50+mph winds today...that storm is heading this way.

 

[XJSuperman]

Glad you got the snow and not me. Weather is pretty much the same as Marc's here. 55 on the way to work, and warming to 70+ today amidst the high winds. We'll be sent home from work early most likely as they don't want the large overhead doors being used in the wind.

 

[Mr.zippy]

Tremendous winds here in North West Wyoming......and the snow just started this morning. First snow of the year for us, as it is an odd year for sure, snow wise.......I totally agree with you Mike. I hate that white **** too......