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I hate getting tires done, seems that most shops don't have their best guy doing tires. I bring the wheels already off the vehicle to help minimize the damage, it's always something. Looking at the usual machines,ebay,Amazon all look similar. Has anyone bought one? What's the good the bad? Also looking at used, some coats,ranger and hunter around but I'm sure they're beat up.
Figure i have 50 tires between vehicles and trailers plus kids it might be worth it plus convenience. I have 6 to mount now at 25$ per tire is a good start. Looking to buy ASAP.
 
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I honestly don't know, but you might want to suggest some particular product, and then people can jump in to tell you why that's a bad choice.

Process of elimination, until you end up with the first one.
 

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I honestly don't know, but you might want to suggest some particular product, and then people can jump in to tell you why that's a bad choice.

Process of elimination, until you end up with the first one.
This is the way
 

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for some reason , this recently showed up in my feed.


Agreed you'll receive negatively for your choice and that you should buy someone else's tired (no pun intended) used junk.
 

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I use my tire machine and balancer quite frequently. I did a set of winter tires last week, and resealed a couple of leaking beads yesterday.

I have the cheapest Greg Smith Atlas Chinese tire changer - with no helper arms and no bead blaster and pretty much the cheapest computer balancer out there. I bought both of them used for $500 each. I bought the changer about 12 years ago and the balancer about 6 years ago. Prior to it I had a Snap on manual spin balancer.

People argue with me, but I think I save about $300 a set of tires owning my own changer and balancer. The savings comes from saving on mounting balancing, and keeping the tires longer because I can keep them in balance myself. I think I can keep a set 20% longer than if I buy them from a tire store. At $800 for a good set of tires, that's $160 right there. Add $50 for buying online and $80 savings on mounting and balancing and you are there.

I've probably done more than 30 sets of tires in the 12 years since I bought it, so you do the math. I also think I have a better balance on my tires all the time.

Time savings? No probably not. I'd say it's about the same amount of time doing it myself vs. going somewhere and waiting for them to do it. Also, it's dirty messy heavy work.

I've done tires from motorcycle tires to Ram 5500 tires and never had much problem. I would probably like to have a bead blaster, but I just use a Cheetah when I need one. I've learned a lot of tricks on how to get various difficult tires on and off.

I've had a couple problems with my tire changer. Shortly after I got it the seal on the bead breaker rolled off the piston and it stopped working. I just had to take it apart and clean out the bore and lube it up. You have to put oil into the input line periodically. This fall I had an air line that runs the clamp system rupture. I replaced it and figured out all those cheap plastic airlines were hardened and bad - it took about an hour to replace all of them. I haven't had any problems with the balancer - it works pretty well.
 
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I have an atlas I bought new about 5 or6 years ago, the one with bead blaster. It's worked great and think it was 1600 new. Then I bought a Chinese mayflower balancer about 3 or 4 years ago. I'm sure it's not as good as a high end road force but I've been happy with it. Never had issues with balancing.

I have spent a bunch on accessories for them to do patches, tpms, wheel weights, etc. I'm not sure they've paid for themselves or not but I just do my own and for others here and there. Not a ton of money in tires unless you do a ton of tires and have an account with a distributor. But I do make money on tpms sensors and I like to have the tools to do whatever I need for my own vehicles. Bought the autel tpms tool first and did a couple breaking bead manually and squeezing tire down. Bought tire machine shortly after, no more monkey football stuff. Then all the stuff to do repairs and a tire spreader. I didn't really plan to get a balancer but once you have the tire machine and dismounting and mounting tires it just makes sense to get balancer. Then had to get assortments of weights and a cone to do bigger truck tires. After typing this I not sure I ever recoup all the money by saving 100 bucks doing my own tires and by making 75 bucks changing tpms sensors but they sure are handy to have around when you need them and not have to schedule an appointment on someone else's time.
 

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With the Chinese machines they won't last in a tyre store and parts won't be available. For your purpose, the first issue isn't a problem.
 

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A good MANUAL (not HF) tire charger, a good mount/demount bar, the proper tire lubricant and TECHNIQUE is really all you need. If you are struggling, you are missing one of those.
 

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With the Chinese machines they won't last in a tyre store and parts won't be available. For your purpose, the first issue isn't a problem.
I don't know if I'd buy one for a tire store, but I've seen commercial machines and they look pretty identical to mine. There's nothing all that complicated about them. The OP wants one for personal use, and they would be fine for that.

A good MANUAL (not HF) tire charger, a good mount/demount bar, the proper tire lubricant and TECHNIQUE is really all you need. If you are struggling, you are missing one of those.
Anything can be done manually. You can get an impact wrench or use a ratchet. It's the same principle. On the tire change you can do them with tire irons only if you take your time. That's the way I did it before buying the machines.

I would think some of the super low profiles would be very difficult manually - they are difficult with a machine - I did some 335 35's for my Porsche and they were super tricky, but I got them done.

I don't think there's any way you could balance tires manually as well as a computer balancer can. I started with a simple snap on manual spin balancer. I really liked the size of it and the dials for the settings rather than digital readout. But my machine started to get less reliable so I sold it and bought the chinese digital one.

BTW for home use I didn't buy all the different kinds of wheel weights. I just buy sticks of 1/4 ounce stick on weights and use them for everything.
 

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I hate getting tires done, seems that most shops don't have their best guy doing tires. I bring the wheels already off the vehicle to help minimize the damage, it's always something. Looking at the usual machines,ebay,Amazon all look similar. Has anyone bought one? What's the good the bad? Also looking at used, some coats,ranger and hunter around but I'm sure they're beat up.
Figure i have 50 tires between vehicles and trailers plus kids it might be worth it plus convenience. I have 6 to mount now at 25$ per tire is a good start. Looking to buy ASAP.

If you've been getting tires that were actually balanced, maybe see what machine that shop used. :dunno:

Used to hand balance my motorcycle tires with the axle bolt between two jack stands, no issues. Used a HF bubble balancer for my Miata tires with satisfactory results too, but never bothered with anything bigger...

Good luck! :thumbup:
 

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Looking at the usual machines,ebay,Amazon all look similar. Has anyone bought one? What's the good the bad? Also looking at used, some coats,ranger and hunter around but I'm sure they're beat up.
I would also recommend you stay away from an old style center clamp coats type machine. Those are dinosaurs.

If you go used, definitely find a rim clamp machine. I slung tires on one of those old machines one summer when I was a kid, and the rim clamp is a huge improvement.

If you are thinking about it, just do it. I suppose someday I will get too old to be able to do them myself, but for me it's been a good investment and I'm much happier knowing my tires are well balanced and I can change them out relatively cheaply whenever I want.
 

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I would also recommend you stay away from an old style center clamp coats type machine. Those are dinosaurs.

If you go used, definitely find a rim clamp machine. I slung tires on one of those old machines one summer when I was a kid, and the rim clamp is a huge improvement.
So did I ! If your only doing one set, you can live with it.
 

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A good MANUAL (not HF) tire charger, a good mount/demount bar, the proper tire lubricant and TECHNIQUE is really all you need. If you are struggling, you are missing one of those.
I only partially agree.

I change a set of 275/70r18 every month. With the multiple trucks and the miles getting put on them we keep oil, filters, and tires on hand at this point.

We have a good manual changer, and some home modified tools to make it easier. I am on the hunt for a better changer that is not manual, I worked in a tire shop as a teenager and we are working much harder doing these manually.


On the other end, if we assume a really generous $20/tire mount and balance for 2024 we are up $1680 just saving that money. Now if we add in the trailer tires we've done, as well as figuring the truck being down for a full day going to the tire shop and back. Plus the nonsense we've been running into lately where a lot of shops won't mount a tire they didn't sell we are over $10k in savings having mounting and balancing our own.

So I figure if I spend $3500-5000 on machines I'll still be money ahead and I'll be done with the heavy labor.
 

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A good MANUAL (not HF) tire charger, a good mount/demount bar, the proper tire lubricant and TECHNIQUE is really all you need. If you are struggling, you are missing one of those.
When was the last time you changed a tire and what year vehicle was it on? Newer cars come with nice rims and lots of people have aftermarket powder coated rims. This a long with low profile tires and other things make doing them by hand silly. These aren't standard size tires on steel rims anymore, those days are long gone for the most part. One little scratch and you paying 500 to 1000 to replace the rim. I've done them by hand and even with the best technique on today's profile of tires you will be struggling and risking damage to a fancy rim. 20 plus years ago I might agree with you but in today's world that's not accurate. Even the center post machines aren't good for today's rims and tires. Kind of the same thing as saying you can diagnose cars without a good scan tool. Yes you can do some things without one but on newer cars they are a must have to diagnose and repair.

If you can't afford or justify the cost of the machines you better off paying the 20 to 30 bucks a tire to a shop.

Another thing for those considering getting the machines is tire disposal. The landfill here charges 6 to 7 bucks a tire. The local junk yard was 2 bucks a tire last time I took a bunch in.
 

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Another thing for those considering getting the machines is tire disposal. The landfill here charges 6 to 7 bucks a tire. The local junk yard was 2 bucks a tire last time I took a bunch in.
I do enough that I cut them up. A hooked blade utility knife and you can separate the sidewall from the tread in a couple minutes. A set of four of them will give you a real workout, but when you are done you can throw them in the trash can.
 

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I do enough that I cut them up. A hooked blade utility knife and you can separate the sidewall from the tread in a couple minutes. A set of four of them will give you a real workout, but when you are done you can throw them in the trash can.
Not that I follow all laws but in Wisconsin it's illegal to dispose of with solid waste. Not sure about all states.

 

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A good MANUAL (not HF) tire charger, a good mount/demount bar, the proper tire lubricant and TECHNIQUE is really all you need. If you are struggling, you are missing one of those.

Dude, you constantly give advice like it's still 1975 :ROFLMAO: I'd love to see you dismount and install even a 45 series tire manually, let alone 35-40 series. Seriously.

What's the lowest profile tire you've dismounted and installed manually?

In the early '90s, when low profile tires were first becoming popular, I got a nail in a 50 or 55 series tire. The local tire shop wanted to patch it, but they had vintage professional powered equipment and couldn't dismount the tire; they gave up after scratching the expensive aluminum wheel, and they ended up plugging it. I wasn't happy that they scratched the wheel as this was on an almost new car. And these were guys that did this every day, with real equipment. Obviously, they needed a more up to date machine, but they weren't going to do it manually if their machine couldn't do it.
 
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Not that I follow all laws but in Wisconsin it's illegal to dispose of with solid waste. Not sure about all states.

Same here, but when you cut the sidewalls out, they are no longer tires and they won't hold water, which is why you can't dispose of them. At least that's what I was told and they take them every time.
 
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Hopefully have some time tonight to do a little more research. I definitely don't plan on doing manually, I can do them but why, plus I want to balance as well. All the imports seem pretty similar, probably come out of the same factory. Nice to be able to do low profile and run flats, plus up to 37" truck tires.

The convenience alone is worth it for me, i have 10 tires waiting, local shop gets 25$ to mount balance and scratch the rim. I'm sure some friends will need to use it as well, thinking of putting a beer fridge close by.
 

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Hopefully have some time tonight to do a little more research. I definitely don't plan on doing manually, I can do them but why, plus I want to balance as well. All the imports seem pretty similar, probably come out of the same factory. Nice to be able to do low profile and run flats, plus up to 37" truck tires.

The convenience alone is worth it for me, i have 10 tires waiting, local shop gets 25$ to mount balance and scratch the rim. I'm sure some friends will need to use it as well, thinking of putting a beer fridge close by.
The main reason I went with atlas was they were sold by Greg Smith and their warehouse was 40 minutes away so I went there in person to look at and order. Great service and they said they could get me any replacement or repair parts. But when I went to buy a balancer a couple years later I found out they got bought out by tooltopia or something. Numbers and email and website no longer worked. Tooltopia sells all the wear parts but not sure where or if I can still get repair parts if anything does break.
 

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I too have about 50 tires on various cars, trucks and trailers and have been thinking about a tire machine.

Here is something that popped up recently - a rebuilt Coats 70x and balancer from Hong Kong. Lots of red flags including non-returnable (and I am not considering it) but am throwing it out there in case someone might have some interest.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/405437827273

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We've a few shops in my neck of the woods that can road-force my stuff for peanuts. I just bring wheels and tires in the back of my beater wagon. A good balance is well worth it.

-Ryan
 

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We've a few shops in my neck of the woods that can road-force my stuff for peanuts. I just bring wheels and tires in the back of my beater wagon. A good balance is well worth it.

-Ryan
Personally I think road force is a gimmick.

I originally bought a balancer because I got a bad balance every time from tire stores. If you have one that does a good job, that's gold.

I haven't found one that takes the time to get it right. They spend a couple minutes a tire, and you can't do a good job that fast. Plus they let their equipment get out of spec and they have really low rate help changing tires - so my guess is the roadforce balancer is just expensive/complicated equipment that still doesn't get used correctly. Not saying the machine isn't capable of doing a good job, but they don't do a good job with the simple equipment so I don't expect them to do better with the complex stuff.

About 5 years ago I bought a Lexus that had brand new tires from a dealership on it - they were purchased a few days before I bought the car. I didn't like the way they were balanced. I rebalanced them and they were perfect. I could tell whoever balanced them before didn't know what they were doing. I have never liked those tires all that well, but they now have 55,000 miles on them and could go another 20.

I bought another used car a couple months ago. It came with a bunch of receipts. The owner bought new tires a year ago - a month later was in the tire store complaining that the tires weren't balanced correctly. Tire store response is "the wheels are bent - recommend new wheels". I notice immediately the tires are out of balance. I put them on my balancer expecting to find bent wheels - wheels are perfect. Every tire is out of balance the exact same 1/2 ounce. That means the tire store had out of spec balancing equipment and it ***** to drive a car like that - the vibration constantly changes better to worse as the out of balance wheels align with each other while you are driving.

It takes me a few minutes, but I can get a set of tires so smooth that you cannot feel a thing - with my cheap chinese balancer - I doubt anybody at a shop can do better.
 
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Personally I think road force is a gimmick.

I originally bought a balancer because I got a bad balance every time from tire stores. If you have one that does a good job, that's gold.

I haven't found one that takes the time to get it right. They spend a couple minutes a tire, and you can't do a good job that fast. Plus they let their equipment get out of spec and they have really low rate help changing tires - so my guess is the roadforce balancer is just expensive/complicated equipment that still doesn't get used correctly. Not saying the machine isn't capable of doing a good job, but they don't do a good job with the simple equipment so I don't expect them to do better with the complex stuff.

About 5 years ago I bought a Lexus that had brand new tires from a dealership on it - they were purchased a few days before I bought the car. I didn't like the way they were balanced. I rebalanced them and they were perfect. I could tell whoever balanced them before didn't know what they were doing. I have never liked those tires all that well, but they now have 55,000 miles on them and could go another 20.

I bought another used car a couple months ago. It came with a bunch of receipts. The owner bought new tires a year ago - a month later was in the tire store complaining that the tires weren't balanced correctly. Tire store response is "the wheels are bent - recommend new wheels". I notice immediately the tires are out of balance. I put them on my balancer expecting to find bent wheels - wheels are perfect. Every tire is out of balance the exact same 1/2 ounce. That means the tire store had out of spec balancing equipment and it ***** to drive a car like that - the vibration constantly changes better to worse as the out of balance wheels align with each other while you are driving.

It takes me a few minutes, but I can get a set of tires so smooth that you cannot feel a thing - with my cheap chinese balancer - I doubt anybody at a shop can do better.
You have to wonder how often the shops that do who knows how many sets a day re calibrate their machines. Throwing all those tires up there everyday jarring the machine around all day. I use mine a dozen times a year at most so I usually do a quick calibration before using it. I'm guessing most shops don't do it but maybe once a year. But I could be wrong. If I don't get it to zero in one or two tries I know something isn't right and do a re calibration and it will be good then. If it's calling for a lot of weight or you keeps wanting to add small weights and not zeroing out there is an issue. I've never had a force so don't know how important that is but I've done all sorts of tire sizes on my Chinese balancer and they have always been good to go.
 

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I've had 2 tire machines and 2 wheel balancers. The first machine was a rim clamp coats that worked well that I never did find a tire that I couldn't change. My first wheel balancer was a hoffman that I bought off of ebay for like $60 and it worked never had a complaint for a wobbly tire. I sold the coats and bought a J Beam with the extra arms and it's ok but nothing like the old coats. I changed alot of tires because I have cheap friends that buy tires from local u-pull yards that sell tires cheap. I had 1 rule you don't leave tires at my place you get rid of em I don't care where but don't stick me with them.
 

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We have been changing motorcycle tires for about 25 years. We used a Coats 220 manual changer until last year when we bought a machine from Derek Weaver. I see all kinds of machines for sale that look the same as ours with minor color and detail change so I suspect most of them are made by the same place, probably Chinese or Taiwanese. The owner’s manual has that slightly off style of English. We use a static balancer. I replace car tires so infrequently that I never got into changing them.
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Only real thing to keep in mind is that most tire machines max out at about a 10.5" wheel and 315 tire. I went with the Atlas TC289 (instead of the TC229) because it is taller and can handle the 335's on 13s. If you don't need that the Amazon machines seem to work perfectly fine. Get a left side assist arm if you are doing anything reasonably low profile. It's not absolutely necessary but makes it so much easier.

My balancer is the cheapest Derek Weaver and it works well. I think any of the Chinese machines should be fine.
 

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I purchased an Aston tire changer and balancer a few years ago. It's nice having my own stuff at the house, especially with the price of mount and balancing these days. The Aston is good for the home shop with doing a few tires a month. If I was doing a decent amount of tires I would have looked at a new used Hunter or Snap on ( have local truck stop by once in a while).
 

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Personally I think road force is a gimmick.

I originally bought a balancer because I got a bad balance every time from tire stores. If you have one that does a good job, that's gold.

I haven't found one that takes the time to get it right. They spend a couple minutes a tire, and you can't do a good job that fast. Plus they let their equipment get out of spec and they have really low rate help changing tires - so my guess is the roadforce balancer is just expensive/complicated equipment that still doesn't get used correctly. Not saying the machine isn't capable of doing a good job, but they don't do a good job with the simple equipment so I don't expect them to do better with the complex stuff.


True. I've had shops mess up eight wheels where I used to live.

The shop out here does do it right.

-Ryan
 

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If money and garage floorspace are important, this at least looks useful (no experience myself)



finish off with a bubble balancer
That looks interesting. I have the HF manual tire changer that I built a duckhead arm for and modified a few other things and it works ok for what it is. The hardest thing is usually breaking the bead and that unit would help with that. FWIW I dont do any super low profile tires. So for 50+ profile tires its ok.

I also bought a used balancer that needed repaired that I sorted out the problems with and works good now. I have less than $400 in everything including tools and supplies. After 4 sets of tires its a break even (did 3 already) just on labor. That doesnt include the potential savings you can have from shopping online for tires. The online shopping is what really got me going because it opens up options that a lot of time you dont have locally.
 

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Personally I think road force is a gimmick.

I originally bought a balancer because I got a bad balance every time from tire stores. If you have one that does a good job, that's gold.

I haven't found one that takes the time to get it right. They spend a couple minutes a tire, and you can't do a good job that fast. Plus they let their equipment get out of spec and they have really low rate help changing tires - so my guess is the roadforce balancer is just expensive/complicated equipment that still doesn't get used correctly. Not saying the machine isn't capable of doing a good job, but they don't do a good job with the simple equipment so I don't expect them to do better with the complex stuff.

About 5 years ago I bought a Lexus that had brand new tires from a dealership on it - they were purchased a few days before I bought the car. I didn't like the way they were balanced. I rebalanced them and they were perfect. I could tell whoever balanced them before didn't know what they were doing. I have never liked those tires all that well, but they now have 55,000 miles on them and could go another 20.

I bought another used car a couple months ago. It came with a bunch of receipts. The owner bought new tires a year ago - a month later was in the tire store complaining that the tires weren't balanced correctly. Tire store response is "the wheels are bent - recommend new wheels". I notice immediately the tires are out of balance. I put them on my balancer expecting to find bent wheels - wheels are perfect. Every tire is out of balance the exact same 1/2 ounce. That means the tire store had out of spec balancing equipment and it ***** to drive a car like that - the vibration constantly changes better to worse as the out of balance wheels align with each other while you are driving.

It takes me a few minutes, but I can get a set of tires so smooth that you cannot feel a thing - with my cheap chinese balancer - I doubt anybody at a shop can do better.

I've had a Hunter balancer for over 25 years. I bought it back when I figured it's the last one I will ever have to buy.
Having 11 vehicles, 3 trailers and a bobcat, I buy a ton of tires. Many these days have been out of round brand new (but still
balanced out).

About 1.5 years ago, I got used RF machine. Only paid $2600, so it's not impossible to find one "cheap". Needed new cooling fan, new bearings in force roller, some clean up, and I had my "Hunter Rep" recalibrate/check out the machine. Clean bill of health after that. He claims those machines are good for 40K or more balances, before they need work. You can look in the stats on the machine and see how many balances it has done over it's life, before you buy. Mine had close to 14K

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Anyway, I've proved to myself that if done correctly, it definitely works. BUT, the largest benefit to me has been brand new tires. If a new perf tire RF's over 15, it goes back. If a truck tire RF's over 25, it goes back. Tire sellers have been pretty good about taking tires back, when I explain why I want an exchange. Many times, bad RF #'s go in hand with high balance weights, but not always.

Anyway. I've had a Chinese tire machine for over 20 years. I've added many items to help with low profile and nicer rims, like both side rams, tire bead "puller upper", and even a center mount kit.

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Had to build my own mount for that one above

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This thing allows you to not have to use pry bar to pull up bead. It mounts where std head goes.
I've dinged up plenty of nice rims with just trying to pry low profile beads over the edge .

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And this thing really helps keep rim from spinning. Even using plastic inserts and gripping out edge of lower rim, sometimes the rim will spin, again trying to get a super low profile bead on.

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Even with all that, picked up a GT500 for track use last year with CF wheels. I'm now looking for Hunter TC39 machine, as those wheels are 7 grand each.

So I would have no issue with the Chinese tire machine's. I'm not really sold on any of the Chinese balancers, mainly due to the electronics, long term. I guess if you are considering a Chinese balancer, I would take a known good balanced tire with you, put it on the machine and it should balance out first shot with MAYBE it looking for .25 ounce extra on one side. Also, balance a tire on the machine. Take tire off and put it back on in a different spot (machine hub vs wheel hub, rotationally). Should balance out to zero in any position. If both of those things check out, then it is only durability that might be an issue.
 
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There is a video some where on YouTube showing a guy changing truck tires. 4 laying flat on the ground. Bead breaking sledge. Couple of long tire pry bars, lube. He unmounted and mounted all 4 (no inflation) in less than 10 minutes.

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Changing semi truck tires
We have a construction trucking company, 10 wheelers, flow boys, trailers & all those tires we do by hand. For car & truck tire the machine is the way to go & fyi doing the truck tires doesn't always go so easy. I'll show you some nice rim damage by that sledge & those alcoa aren't cheap.
 

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The other thing I got recently, for finicky tires that won't bead up, is this HF blaster.
Just another tool, but a bit safer than starter fluid. :p

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