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Yes, getting Lucas a 21 pound XC bike made a huge difference to him. The loaner bike the team gave to Nadia fits her but is 25lbs and while it might not seem like much it really does make a big difference. Lucas was able to do the climbs with his new bike whereas on my full suspension he struggled.

I would love to come up there to ride. I think if Nadia gets into it it will really unlock a lot of vacation options. My brother's family took bikes to Italy and toured for a month. I'd love to do that.

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"You know, since I've started riding I've hardly played any video games."

Bingo. That's why kids play video games. They're bored. And gaming isn't boring, and it's very social despite the stereotype to the contrary. Parents often [secretly] like it when the kids go in their room and close the door.
 
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Yeah, his mom really hates video games - a lot. I have fond memories of playing PacMan and Defender at the arcade for hours with my friends. They were new and exciting. And during Covid the kids started to play while communicating through headsets with their friends so it was a giant group call. Lucas has friends from different schools he's never met or only met once or twice.

And one more update that I held back because I didn't want to jinx it.

A few weeks back Nadia asked me to take her to a Search & Rescue meeting. I thought it was a school club thing but when we got there we were given a two hour presentation by a group of teenagers while Sheriff's stood by. It turns out that the Multnomah County Sheriff's Department Search and Rescue is run, manned and entirely done by teens 14-18 with about 7 adult supervisors. It's one of the only programs of its kind in the country. Not a "junior ranger" situation but the actual real search and rescue.

They do missing persons searches, body retrieval (the county has some of the highest waterfalls and tourists often do dumb things) and evidence searches. The training is intensive, far beyond advanced first aid. They do survival traing, outdoor skills, first aid, orienteering and meet for two hours every week and then one weekend a month for a camping trip where skills are tested. Rain or shine, freezing cold or snow they put you through the wringer - 10 mile hikes with 40lb packs.

I was so impressed that I mentioned I would want to do it. They said adults could apply and sometimes parents joined with kids. I asked Nadia and she wanted me to apply so I did. We did interviews with the teens that run the program and last night we got notified. Nadia was accepted but I was not. Honestly I was relieved and I was secretly hoping for that result. I want her to have something that is hers and I can't begin to imagine a program that could be better for her right now when she needs confidence and belief in herself.

And because this will be physically grueling she wants to join the mountain bike team not to race but to train. Ironically the MTB team only goes for another couple of months and then breaks until May which is when Search and Rescue trainees "graduate" the program. The cost is $200 for the year and they get something like 300-400 hours of training. After they are officially volunteers for the Search & Rescue and are on call 24/7 for missions until they are 19. They aren't required to go on every mission but most of the kids do every one they can.

So another huge win. She's over the moon excited and the change, just from learning she was accepted, is already apparent.

Sorry there's not photos for this post. There will be at some point.

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Gregor that is awesome for Nadia. I used to help out a lot with our local ski patrol and occasionally the mountian rescue guys looking for lost skiers, ( back before I was constantly traveling for work and then kids.) It’s a great group of people up here and I’m sure it’s similar in your area too. She’s going to make some real good connections that will help foster good quality time spent outdoors.

I’m a pretty firm believer that adventures outside is far more important for developing minds and teaching them to think and do for themselves than any classroom education. Have you got them into motos as well?

And you’re right about it opening doors for more family trips. I took my son on a 5 day father son bike road trip this summer and it was one of the best bonding experiences I could have asked for. He’s constantly asking to do it again

There are days Evelina could take or leave the bikes ( she’s more into art many days) but when I suggested bringing a camera for them to film each other she is super keen. We’ve been hesitant with integrating photo / video too much into our rides, mostly because my job was shooting skiing / biking and Evelina’s dad is a MTB YouTube guy with a big following so we’ve been very cautious about introducing them to that world. But they are now at an age to understand what we both do / did for work and if they want to film themselves doing their own thing I’m ok with them getting into the creative sides of it too.
 

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Glad to hear of the interest in SAR. I was a member of the SAR in Linn County with their over-snow group with our club. They have resources that handle just about everything but deep snow well and that is where we came in. Plenty of folks out in the snow which can turn deadly pretty quick when the sun goes down. Linn Co. also has a group of teenagers that are pretty impressive to see what they are willing to go through for the cause.
 

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Yeah, his mom really hates video games - a lot. I have fond memories of playing PacMan and Defender at the arcade for hours with my friends. They were new and exciting. And during Covid the kids started to play while communicating through headsets with their friends so it was a giant group call. Lucas has friends from different schools he's never met or only met once or twice.

And one more update that I held back because I didn't want to jinx it.

A few weeks back Nadia asked me to take her to a Search & Rescue meeting. I thought it was a school club thing but when we got there we were given a two hour presentation by a group of teenagers while Sheriff's stood by. It turns out that the Multnomah County Sheriff's Department Search and Rescue is run, manned and entirely done by teens 14-18 with about 7 adult supervisors. It's one of the only programs of its kind in the country. Not a "junior ranger" situation but the actual real search and rescue.

They do missing persons searches, body retrieval (the county has some of the highest waterfalls and tourists often do dumb things) and evidence searches. The training is intensive, far beyond advanced first aid. They do survival traing, outdoor skills, first aid, orienteering and meet for two hours every week and then one weekend a month for a camping trip where skills are tested. Rain or shine, freezing cold or snow they put you through the wringer - 10 mile hikes with 40lb packs.

I was so impressed that I mentioned I would want to do it. They said adults could apply and sometimes parents joined with kids. I asked Nadia and she wanted me to apply so I did. We did interviews with the teens that run the program and last night we got notified. Nadia was accepted but I was not. Honestly I was relieved and I was secretly hoping for that result. I want her to have something that is hers and I can't begin to imagine a program that could be better for her right now when she needs confidence and belief in herself.

And because this will be physically grueling she wants to join the mountain bike team not to race but to train. Ironically the MTB team only goes for another couple of months and then breaks until May which is when Search and Rescue trainees "graduate" the program. The cost is $200 for the year and they get something like 300-400 hours of training. After they are officially volunteers for the Search & Rescue and are on call 24/7 for missions until they are 19. They aren't required to go on every mission but most of the kids do every one they can.

So another huge win. She's over the moon excited and the change, just from learning she was accepted, is already apparent.

Sorry there's not photos for this post. There will be at some point.

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That is very cool Gregor. It sounds similar to Civil Air Patrol’s search and rescue program, but without the military drill and aeronautical education. I was in a squadron in PA back in Hugh school. The PA wing is interesting in that they have a dedicated training base near Hawk Mountain, and it is known around the world. The self- confidence that Nadia will gain will be life-changing. If you get into that world it shifts how you think about yourself and your role in life. Imagine 14 year olds reciting the Ranger’s Creed, whose end line is “this we do so other’s may live.”

Top work, as always. You are doing good.
 
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We’ve been hesitant with integrating photo / video too much into our rides, mostly because my job was shooting skiing / biking and Evelina’s dad is a MTB YouTube guy with a big following so we’ve been very cautious about introducing them to that world.

That is a small world - I've subscribed to to Jeffs YT for a few years. It was illuminating as he had been honest about the struggle it was to maintain a living from that. I like his content and he's part of the reason I ended up with that Chromag Rootdown for the hardtail.

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It’s been a couple of years since I’ve popped into this thread - glad to see your upswing on all levels! AND, love seeing your kids take on the biking! After years of racing myself, my favorite thing to see is the teens out on the course! One option for the off season is to pick up a Wahoo Kickr or similar trainer they can put their bikes on and do virtual rides and races. If they want to get after it, the race season is won in the off-season! This would allow screen time while being physical in the dreary PDX winters. For more racing, there’s also the Oregon XC series, which starts in March. There’s many club teams with kids around the state and I know there’s a couple in the Portland area.
 
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Thanks. We just wrapped up the season and I have to say that I've never been more impressed with Lucas. This season his goal after the first race was to make the second lap cut off time. He missed it by a few on the second race because he thought he had more time, he missed it again on the third race. The last race of the season was the NICA State Championship in Prineville and while all season long my advice was to not crash and have fun on this race it was different.

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This time I told him he needed to push, as hard as he could, for the first two laps. Just make the cutoff and then relax. I was shooting near the coach and he was watching the time and when Lucas passed us on lap two we cheered and told him to push - it was almost over. After he went by the coach looked at his stopwatch and said, "Oooh, I don't know. It doesn't look good, he's going to have to really push to make it."

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The race was almost over and we were getting ready to leave the course when Lucas came by on his third lap - dead last, but he'd made the cutoff. He was glowing with pride and we went crazy cheering him. I've never seen him so happy and proud as he was after that race.

It's been a great season. I can't say enough about the team and how supportive and encouraging they've been. Nadia just got a new (used) race bike and she just convinced one of her friends to join the team telling her, "We have so much fun in practice - you're going to love it" which, when you consider that at the beginning of the season she had said, "not a chance" is really another huge win.

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Okay, it's been a while. And there are updates, some projects, some photos...

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Two years ago we attempted to go to Moab for Thanksgiving. It was a disaster on almost all fronts but we had fun. This year I turned 60 (yes, I do not believe it either!) and so I wanted to mark that milestone by doing that trip again but hopefully without the breakdowns and disappointment. It worked.

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We met my brother (and family) and we brought bikes. Day one we all rode a nice easy trail. Nadia ended up having some sort of panic attack and stopped and just cried for... a long time. While I was hopeful that Search & Rescue would be the thing to draw her out and give her confidence she quit the program two months in after her friend quit. So what felt like a win wasn't.

I've decided I have no choice but to try to meet her where she's at but at the same time I really struggle.

The following day we went on another ride with Just Lucas, Sacha and I. Nadia didn't want to go after the first day and instead of forcing or fighting with her I let her stay in the hotel room. She said she wanted to walk around town and that the ride the day before was too scary. Fine, that let us do a more gnarly trail.

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The ride with Lucas and Sacha was fantastic. Lucas did great, had a great attitude and leveled up his skills with some coaching by his uncle (Sacha is a mtb coach in Salida, CO) and it was a good day. When we got back to the hotel Nadia was still in bed, on her phone. It was so hard to not be angry. I simply do not know what to do. I've tried to limit the phone - the thing that I see as one of the main issues - but obviously it's more than that. I think S&R would have been great and the fact that she quit it, after spending a fortune on equipment and because it was what she wanted to do, what she chose... i'm at a loss.

Lucas is leaning in to doing hard things. Nadia is withdrawing.

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Katie and I are doing great. She took me to Skamania Lodge for my birthday and all I have is this photo of her ***. Which is great, the weekend was great but I didn't bring a camera so there you go.

In November my friend Brian, who got me into shooting the practical pistol matches, let me borrow his AR15 for a two gun match.

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Brian convinced me to buy some lowers last year and I'd done nothing with them. I'd always considered AR's to be cosplay guns for the prepper crowd but getting to shoot in the context of a match finally convinced what a fun gun it is. I certainly get that those of you who live in other countries may find the whole gun thing in the US to be pretty bizarre and I get that. You're right. But it's also fun.

I managed to hit a target at 300yards the first time and that was the longest shot I'd ever taken. I was hooked.

The match finally got me to order some parts and put one of the guns together so I could shoot more of the two gun matches.

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The modularity of the platform is pretty interesting. Ben gave me a book about the history of the AR and I was intrigued by the fact that it was built by Eugene Stoner, a guy who had no engineering degree, and was mostly a gun enthusiast who liked to tinker. That resonated.

Again, I have a lot of thoughts on the political aspects of the gun but I won't go there. To me it's a tool and like all tools should be given respect and used safely.

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Katie loves shooting rifles and Sean (you will remember him here) took us out to Douglas Ridge to sight the rifle in. It was a really fun day and getting to shoot Sean's long range gun was a thrill.

A lot of self reflection has been going on this fall. While AI is threatening... everything? I simultaneously find myself re-inspired to get back to the shop and to double down on building things, my career and photography. I think, much like getting a cancer diagnosis, the risk of losing something makes you reflect and cherish what time you have left. I've done a lot of buying and selling of photo gear this fall and I'm pretty excited to shoot. Cameras and guns.

Oh, I also became an "official" pistol instructor. I figured since I really love shooting, am the pistol director for the local club and like teaching it made sense. My goal is to get people who have been put off by the whole gun culture thing, but are nonetheless curious, a way to learn in a safe and non-intimidating way.

Back to the shop.

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While it's not clean yet (and may never be) I am back working in it. I was hoping to clean the bench so I tried some different rust removers. Naval Jelly worked the best but I didn't think it would be effective for the whole table.

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I put down shop towels and then poured on the Evaporust and covered that with plastic wrap to prevent the eveporation and then left it for a day.

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It's not perfect, and nothing but a blanchard grind will ever make it that way, this was pretty good.

Part of reconnecting with the shop was deciding to fix things, like the table, that have bugged me. Another one was the mill's auto quill downfeed which had never worked.

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The screw that holds the (missing) knob for the forward/reverse engagement was broken. I was going to order one but remembered I have a lathe...

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It took a bit to get the broken screw out but I managed and then made the knurled knob, adjusted the return spring and voilà, it was fixed. This inspired me to fix other things. I think that when you have a lot of... stuff, it begins to own you. I will never count the shop (or camera gear) or tools in that but bicycles, motorcycles, guns - they could all use some thinning.

Next up was the cold saw.

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I've been using an old tupperware tub with an aquarium pump for years. Not ideal but it worked. This fall the pump failed several times, and an upgraded one failed. I finally decided to actually fix it for real with a dedicated coolant recycle pump and tank. I also took my saw blades in for sharpening along with some of my dull and broken end mills.

I'm working on a project for the club which will be my next post. It involves a lot of welding and my argon tank was almost empty so I got that refiled and while putting the tank back decided that the janky clamp I'd made 20+ years ago was annoying. The welding cart was my first welding project. It's actually pretty good but a lot the welds and some of the fab are not great.

Like this.

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These aren't earth shattering projects. But the joy of fixing something, with scraps that you turn into a solution is so satisfying and therapeutic. It's a reminder that the shop is more than place to make things - it's a place to reset and reconnect with myself and that's something I very much need right now. You see an argon tank clamp and I see a solution that was 20 years in the making. 20 years of learning a craft, developing a skill and then utilizing it like a jedi master to fix something, to make something that can't be bought. That is some very powerful stuff.

Finally, for this new years post, is Lucas' christmas present. He asked for a small plastic tug boat. I searched and searched for it and there wasn't a store that carried it and I didn't want to disappoint him...

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So I had to actually buy a 3d printer...

Yes, I know I'm very late to the party. I'd like to think I'm fashionably late.

On christmas day he unwrapped the box. He didn't take it out. I was worried that maybe he actually wasn't all that interested in it, that he didn't really want that tug boat, but the next day we took it out and set it up. We printed the tug boat and I was ready to pack it up and return it but the printer has not stopped printing for the last week.

Thank you Rob for the recommendation of the Bambu P2S. It is perfect.

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I think the poor quality of the early printers and the idea that I'd need to learn 3d software to use one put me off. Well, the quality has improved by leaps and bounds but I still need to learn 3D software.

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Truly, it's hard to put into words how remarkable the tech is. The library of possible prints is endless and I find myself searching Thingaverse instead of Amazon when I need something. Nadia got paints for christmas and the tubes were everywhere and the brushes were loose on the counter. Lucas made the toothpick revolver he's always dreamed of and I made some battery caddies for my Sony batteries. The cat print is a lamp for Katie.

I do want to learn to model so I can make some basic parts so I ask the wise and knowledgeable audience here: what should I use? I don't want something complicated but also probably not something too simple. Easy to learn, potential to grow. Is there software as elegant, easy and simple as the Bambu printer?

There you have it. You're caught up and I still have another project that I'm finishing up for another update in the next week or so.

Happy New Year!

Gregor
 

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I like your attitude toward guns.

My bet would be Autodesk Fusion 360 or Onshape or a Maker license for Solidworks.

All are capable parametric systems.
Onshape is my least favorite one but you can have a go for free to try.

Keep it up!

Did you consider a moon lamp yet?
 

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...I'd always considered AR's to be cosplay guns for the prepper crowd but getting to shoot in the context of a match finally convinced what a fun gun it is...

I was resistant to the platform for a long time for similar reasons. I've really come to appreciate how flexible the platform is over the last year or so and now understand the hype.

Probably a bad idea to even bring this rabbit hole up, but assembling an upper is actually pretty easy with just a few additional tools. While I think you'll be more than happy with your Geissele, if you ever decide to go down the path of a full scratch build, the options are seemingly endless.

Glad to see you are doing well!
 
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Did you consider a moon lamp yet?

I think that's required after you print the tug boat if I'm not mistaken...

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I wanted to print the largest moon lithophane that I could with the most detail. I'm just starting to grasp some of the settings but so far this one has been very detailed and taken forever. 100% infil and .15mm layers and it should take just about 52 hours. We're 24 into it right now. A lithophane is a surface that has varying thicknesses which inhibits light transmission to create an illuminated image. Think of it as a 3d negative.

Where do you all keep your printers?

My first thought was to put the printer into the garage. While I do heat the shop (often warmer than the house!) I don't have a lot of space. To say the least. So while it's sitting on my dad's service truck, and that's working, I'm thinking that it might be better in the house and the back (TV) room has a wall that I used to just put light stands against. If those go to storage I could build a desk or, better, find a rolling tool cart that has some drawers large enough to hold the extra printer spools. We ordered this with the AMS2 - the four spool holder - but it's backordered for the month. I can see that filaments will multiply like tools.

Curious what everyone has found is the best "work station" for their printers? I think a bit of extra space would be ideal for trimming, assembling and general workshopping and the drawers would hold supplies. I'd always wanted to make my computer station a desk and build a floating torsion box so the floor is open...

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Gregor, glad to see you are still doing well. +1 on the Fusion 360 recommendation. Lots of Great YouTube videos teaching all the basics completely free. I have also struggled with the placement of the printer. I had it in my office initially and loved that I could monitor progress constantly, but as i upgraded my printer to the Bambu X1C, monitoring the progress became irrelevant (it just works), so the printer moved to the garage. Alas, garage doesn't have enough space, so having a flexible solution became important. Here is my setup. 20260101_141917.jpg
 
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Fusion 360 is probably most common by a wide margin. Solidworks is the better choice for a few reasons, but ultimately it's a preference.

And...your daughter's not fragile or broken, just a hormonal teenager. Be normal*, be positive, be there and it'll turn out fine.

*Don't treat her like there's something wrong. It'll reinforce the weirdness she's trying to figure out.
 
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And...your daughter's not fragile or broken, just a hormonal teenager. Be normal*, be positive, be there and it'll turn out fine.

*Don't treat her like there's something wrong. It'll reinforce the weirdness she's trying to figure out.

Thanks. You're right.

I've found that the more accepting I am (even if I don't feel that way) the better it goes. Her gift for xmas was a new camera and it's been fun to see her creativity in a new medium. I have to edit myself because I want to teach her but I'm prone to over explaining and so I try to limit my advice to short cliff notes with follow ups if asked but mostly just let her explore with it.

Driving is the next thing.

On the way to Moab I let her do some driving on the highway. She hadn't yet gotten her permit (taken the practice test a few times but not the actual one) and while she did good for the most part we had a very close call in a parking lot...

Since we (barely) averted disaster I guess I can share.

We decided to stop for some donuts. She'd driven for a few hours all on the highway. As we got off and made our way to the shopping mall I kept cautioning her to prepare to brake at intersections. It all was going very well. As we pulled into the lot there was a diagonal spot against the building. She started to pull in, as a woman was going past with her cart. As she starts pulling in I say, "Okay, foot on the brake, slow down..." and she stepped on the gas.

Hard.

She misses the woman by inches, jumps the curb, over the sidewalk and finally hits the brake inches from hitting the building. It was nothing short of a miracle. We collect ourselves and I calmly explain that the brake and gas have to become intuitive. They are worked by the same foot to prevent being used at the same time. We back up and bump off the curb. As we get out the woman was calmly putting her groceries into her car and she looks up and says, "What was that all about?"

"New driver" I say.

"I thought I was going to die before Thanksgiving" she quips. Then she follows that up, "Well, have a wonderful Thanksgiving!"

The stupidity of my letting her drive before she'd gotten the permit was all me. While we'd done a bit of parking lot work before this, including in the Volvo, she wasn't ready for actual traffic. And if it had gone worse I would probably be homeless right now.

There's a history of poor parenting decisions in my family. I'm glad we can keep family traditions alive but would like to limit the dumb ones as much as possible.

At Thanksgiving dinner Sacha's family have a tradition of going around the table and saying what you're thankful for. Nadia surprised me by saying, "I'm thankful I didn't kill that lady with the car..."

We all are thankful for that.

Gregor
 

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My goal is to get people who have been put off by the whole gun culture thing
This, right here. I have guns. I like guns. I like to shoot. Part of the reason I moved to the country instead of living in my small town is so I can have a small range in my backyard. By most measures people would call me an enthusiast.
I never, ever admit I like guns, however, because US "gun culture" as you put it is a weird, sick, unhealthy fetish that destroys all reason and logical thought.
I need to get myself a 3D printer... that is pretty cool stuff.
 

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Gregor,
There is a concept called emotional bandwith that I learned the last few years after my divorce and parenting my son and my lady friends daughter. The idea is we can only handle so much stress at a time before the pressure tank needs to have a release valve. That tank or bandwidth is way lower for kids and teens.

Preteen and especially teenage girls tend to internalize their feelings instead of express / vocalizing them until they get to the point where they have no more bandwidth left emotionally then it all comes crashing down such as the nervous breakdown trail side or wanting to stay in bed all day on their devices. It’s tough as a parent because it’s seldom due to what’s actually transpiring at the moment, as that’s just the straw that broke the camels back. It’s even more difficult when it’s from an event at school, in their social group, etc when you have zero clue anything’s going on.

Trying to get a preteen or teenage girl to express what’s upsetting them before that happens is more difficult than trying to break into Fort Knox.

Once I learned this concept it really helped me in understanding the kids better and becoming a more patient parent and helped me become better at giving them the space they need to feel comfortable expressing their feelings and not just reacting in the moment to a breakdown, shutting down, etc.

I bet that driving mishap was really bothering her more than she let on and it finally cumulated in the nervous breakdown mid trail and the following day spent in bed on her device.

We have been struggling with this with Evelina as it’s manifested in no longer wanting to ski or bike, things she’s absolutely loved to do in the past. The one thing I’ve found that helps is spending some quality one on one time with them doing their comfort activities, with Evelina it’s arts and Crafts. With Stian it’s bike jumps and it’s just letting them direct the activity at their pace and asking them questions about why they are enjoying it etc and then once the start feeling more comfortable casual asking them if anything’s bothering them. It’s amazing how much more you can get out of them if there is an activity involved.

On the photography front it’s amazing how it seems to have vaporized across the board. The one exception I’ve found to that is the book publishing realm. Have you thought about doing a photo book with your archives focused on building bikes etc? Book advances are surprisingly good, especially for a project where you already own the imagery. I know many of us here love following your builds / projects so I’m confident that in book form would do very well.
 

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How does the Maker version compare to the full blow version of Solidworks?


I do want to learn to model so I can make some basic parts so I ask the wise and knowledgeable audience here: what should I use? I don't want something complicated but also probably not something too simple. Easy to learn, potential to grow. Is there software as elegant, easy and simple as the Bambu printer?

I'm only a few weeks into the 3d printer experience. My delay on getting a printer was the same reason as yours. 3d printers were for many years a hobby unto themselves. I did not want one as a hobby, but rather as something to make things for my already too many hobbies. The Bambu has just worked. And it's been going nonstop since I got it. My daughters (comp sci and UX majors) were just home for winter break. It took them minutes to figure out Bambu Printer Studio and even less time to start fighting for turns to print makeup organizers and soap trays and whatnot for their apartments. Their biggest disappointment was that most of my filament is grey and black.

I've been using solid modeling software since the early 2000's. Solidworks is hands down my favorite. There is definitely a learning curve, but it's not bad. That being said, I use the expensive full blown version. I don't know the capabilities of the maker version and the cost of the full blown version for a hobby user would not be practical. So that's why I asked the above question to dznnf7.

I will offer: if you give me a dimensioned hand sketch of something you want to print, I can knock out a model easy peasy.

Kids can be hard. I'm in the middle of a large home project. Initially my 14 year old son was gung ho to learn how to build things. Since then he's learned that much of it is just hard labor, and with that his enthusiasm waned. I try not to give him too hard of a time and mostly just involve him with the interesting parts. It is hard that he'd rather play video games than climb up and down scaffolding and measure and cut wood. I love to measure and cut wood and scaffolding is an adult jungle gym. But it's probably unrealistic to expect him to see it that way.
 

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Where do you all keep your printers?

Curious what everyone has found is the best "work station" for their printers? I think a bit of extra space would be ideal for trimming, assembling and general workshopping and the drawers would hold supplies. I'd always wanted to make my computer station a desk and build a floating torsion box so the floor is open...

Gregor

Tho I anticipated that she’d find our setup overkill, my wife actually found appreciation in it. The cabinets above have soft close slides allowing the spools to be easily replaced when empty. I have space for a 4th but have realized 3 is overkill enough.

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Cabinet to the right is where the filament is stored. Other drawers have all 3D printing tools, spare parts for the machines, and all computer and network stuff as well.

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Tho the desk doesn’t have the final top on it, there’s plenty of space for design and post print assembly. The room doubles as my home office for those days where working from home is in order.

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The only downside in this setup is its location - the basement. I find myself running up and down the stairs a lot when in print mode. 1st world problems I guess.
 

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Gregor, my kids are older than you so my advice on raising them probably results in Child Protective Services immediate involvement. I did do something illegal when our daughter was 13 (50 years ago). I drove her to an empty parking lot at the nearby university and taught her how to drive my '71 Vega GT. It had a 4-speed so she learned the whole three-pedal thing. She wasn't a party girl but she did go out with some older friends. We told her to get to a phone (payphones were common back then) and call us if the party involved alcohol or other drugs. Teaching her to drive meant she could get a drunken friend home safely.

The only screens our kids had were TVs and we let them watch a reasonable amount (Star Trek hit the airwaves when they were pre-schoolers). We did force them to pick one night a week when the TV would not be turned on. It was called "Rebirth of Culture Night" and they chose (together) Thursday night. Our daughter took up the guitar and our son found books.

As I sit here huddled in my office typing this, I realize the world has been flipped upside down. I remember sending a text (OK, it was my parents) at Western Union in 1955.

We were stuck in Banff National Park, 2,500 miles from home with no money, living in a little 15-foot travel trailer. We were down to corn flakes with water or powdered milk (I preferred the water). The first royalty check for the book Dad co-wrote was expected to arrive at the North Babylon post office and my father's brother was supposed to deposit it in the bank. A telegram was cheaper than a long distance international call so we 'texted' my uncle in the morning and planned to return to Western Union when we finished hiking the local trails. The telegram from my uncle included the amount of the royalty check and it was ten times bigger than my father expected. We had to eat out at a place that took a Diners Club card as payment so we ate at the fanciest lodge in the area, wearing the dusty outfits we had spent the day hiking in. Everyone else was decked out in a tuxedo or evening gown so the Maitre d' found a table in a corner near the kitchen. Thankfully Liane and I have been on both sides of those dining experiences and I think I prefer the 'homeless' look better.

Next day we went wild and I rode the chairlift. Dad bought the photos taken by the chairlift company.
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I sometimes wonder if it's possible to sign up for really bad cell service and then go to one of the dead zones to spend quality time.
 

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Circling back a bit to your firearms adventure, my son took an interest in deer hunting last year and the lucky **** got a nice 8pt buck right away....so he has enjoyed going out! The very next weekend a coworker talked us into attending a SASP practice (youth steel challenge rimfire), and we invested time and efforts into building a few toys for that.

Another coworker talked us into looking at a local PCSL match this spring, and at the time the run and gun was very intimidating as I'm not a gun guy, and we just didnt have the experience OR GEAR needed to feel comfortable with those advanced requirements. Well, the stars aligned and we have been full steam ahead with preparing ourselves for 2 gun PCSL and competed in 4 matches last year. My son is 14 and by far the youngest punk on the range, and the old guys really like having him there. It's a blast!

We are very lucky to have 3 clubs in our area that put on PCSL matches, so there certainly no shortage of opportunities to have fun....my problem is we will need a sponsorship soon to be able to afford our hobbies. We went through maybe 12k rounds in 2025! Haha

The toughest part about firearms related activities is navigating the politics (I don't do politics) and some of the very strong opinions of those who participate in the events, and of those who oppose firearms. Ohh, the second worst part is not buying all the cool guns!! Man the firearms ocean is deep!
 

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Also great choice on the 3D printing investment! Bambu makes an amazing product and I'm impressed at the entire package...someone at bambu is very smart for putting it all together for users to enjoy! It's one thing to manufacture a printer, it's a whole different ball of wax to develop the software and associated support.
 

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How does the Maker version compare to the full blow version of Solidworks?




I'm only a few weeks into the 3d printer experience. My delay on getting a printer was the same reason as yours. 3d printers were for many years a hobby unto themselves. I did not want one as a hobby, but rather as something to make things for my already too many hobbies. The Bambu has just worked. And it's been going nonstop since I got it. My daughters (comp sci and UX majors) were just home for winter break. It took them minutes to figure out Bambu Printer Studio and even less time to start fighting for turns to print makeup organizers and soap trays and whatnot for their apartments. Their biggest disappointment was that most of my filament is grey and black.

I've been using solid modeling software since the early 2000's. Solidworks is hands down my favorite. There is definitely a learning curve, but it's not bad. That being said, I use the expensive full blown version. I don't know the capabilities of the maker version and the cost of the full blown version for a hobby user would not be practical. So that's why I asked the above question to dznnf7.

I will offer: if you give me a dimensioned hand sketch of something you want to print, I can knock out a model easy peasy.

Kids can be hard. I'm in the middle of a large home project. Initially my 14 year old son was gung ho to learn how to build things. Since then he's learned that much of it is just hard labor, and with that his enthusiasm waned. I try not to give him too hard of a time and mostly just involve him with the interesting parts. It is hard that he'd rather play video games than climb up and down scaffolding and measure and cut wood. I love to measure and cut wood and scaffolding is an adult jungle gym. But it's probably unrealistic to expect him to see it that way.
It's virtually the same. Drawings are watermarked and don't read into Solidworks properly, on purpose - all to prevent commercial use.
 

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Gregor - as always the updates are great. I used to be a “semipro“ dh MTB racer and took about 10-12 years off the bikes to focus on other activities. My kids showed an interest early on so now we’re pretty deep in it for the second time in my life. all three (girl and two boys) used to be my little riding buddies and it was great. My daughter is the oldest and she was always down to ride with us. When she was around 13 it slowed down and she might take one or two runs a day with us then hang out with mom at the pool and read. The last summer ( she’s 14 now) she didn’t take her bike for a single run. she has a season pass and a nice Pivot bike that have hardly been ridden. It’s been super frustrating but mostly it’s been tough to loose a riding buddy but it’s just not her thing. she used to hang with me a lot more but it’s almost all mom or friends now. with daughters I’m constantly reminded how different they are than boys to say the least. Hopefully you guys catch your stride. It's got to be tough for you as a single dad not having mom there full time - I can’t imagine having to do this solo!

Your description of the importance of shop time is great. I’m saving it to share with my wife as you described it much better than I ever could have hoped to.

Grant-

I had to “lol“ when I clicked on the link. I’ve gotten onto pinkbike every morning to read the articles for about 21 years the Jeff has had a few articles. A pet peeve of mine is hyphenated names, and a huge pet peeve of mine is men with hyphenated names. the majority of my fellow PB didn’t appreciate mt comment on the dual last name and I was downvoted into oblivion!

There are days Evelina could take or leave the bikes ( she’s more into art many days) but when I suggested bringing a camera for them to film each other she is super keen. We’ve been hesitant with integrating photo / video too much into our rides, mostly because my job was shooting skiing / biking and Evelina’s dad is a MTB YouTube guy with a big following so we’ve been very cautious about introducing them to that world. But they are now at an age to understand what we both do / did for work and if they want to film themselves doing their own thing I’m ok with them getting into the creative sides of it too.
 

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Grant-

I had to “lol“ when I clicked on the link. I’ve gotten onto pinkbike every morning to read the articles for about 21 years the Jeff has had a few articles. A pet peeve of mine is hyphenated names, and a huge pet peeve of mine is men with hyphenated names. the majority of my fellow PB didn’t appreciate mt comment on the dual last name and I was downvoted into oblivion!
Funny, Jamie jokingly brought up with Evelina last night the idea of dropping the hyphenated last name. Evelina was like hell no, and I just told Jamie she should change her last name to mine.... only issue with that is it would make crossing the boarder with her own daughter a nightmare.

Kids are interesting and we got to remember they are their own people no matter how hard we try to get them into what we love. Evelina is 100% not into bikes at all right now, that drives all of us a bit nuts as we all love to ride daily. Jeff even got her a kids E-bike and she's still not into, it but Stian loves to borrow it at least. Evelina, with her genetics (mom was national champ for mtb and road, and single speed world champ) and her natural talent on a bike, she could easily go a long way with the sport, if she chose too. That being said, she's completely into skiing, to the point, I told both her mom and Jeff if they dont put a bunch of effort in themselves, they wont be able to keep up with her by end of the season! My son Stian is the opposite, there is times he loves to ski and cant wait to go and other times he's go no interest, mostly depends on if he's got a friend to ski with, but he's 110% into bikes, so go figure, at this point ill have a hard time keeping up with him, I already don't want to hit some of the jumps he's doing at 8! It's like the kids are taking after the opposite parent. That being said, I love sharing my passion for skiing with Evelina, and I'm stoked on Jeff teaching my son how to wheelie.

Raising kids in divorces is challenging to say the least. I'm just really grateful, that Jeff and Jamie are still friendly towards each other, and that Jeff and I get along, so all of us can share activities together with the kids, as to the kids, its just a tribe and they are most happy when all of the parents are participating with them...It really comes down to all of us getting past our own differences and putting what's best for the kids first. My ex on the other hand is the exact opposite, and I know it bothers my son.... but thats a different and sadly more typical situation.
 
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Have you been sucked into the Gridfinity system yet?
If you end up with Fusion 360, there's a plugin for it that allows you to quickly design Gridfinity boxes and then you can edit them further in Fusion if you so desire. https://github.com/Le0Michine/FusionGridfinityGenerator?tab=readme-ov-file

I kept finding references to it but no explanations. It’s one of those things that the “in” crowd takes for granted because of it’s ubiquity within the 3d printing world but if you don’t have a printer you’d never discover it. So, yes, I have been poking around and knowing that Fusion has plug-ins certainly makes me lean that direction. I’ve done a few Youtube tutorials for Fusion and it seems pretty simple and some of the tools feel familiar to photoshop.

It’s amusing that Lilscorpion posted is (of course!) amazing set up. I was explaning to Katie about how his thread is what taught me to build cabinets and what got me into much of the organization that I embraced. She’s very excited to go through that thread and see all the amazing space savings. She has a thing she calls “time folding” which is a way to describe when you’re getting two or more things done at the same time: say sweeping the floor while waiting for the water to boil. I think Matt’s solutions are a form of “space folding” or fitting more than should be possible into a space by making storage efficient. Living in tiny NYC apartments started that but it’s something I’ve always loved.

So thanks Matt (Lilscorpion) that is a really impressive 3d printer layout and I thing that would be an ideal way to use some of the back room that we’re not using. Sean, I’m going to look for some Gridfinity solutions to drawer organizations. I need to redo my endmill storage as I now have bought enough specialty endmills that don’t have a home - same with taps.

We also got some TPU filament that I’m curious to try for tiny tool or equipment storage. I hate my bike tools rattling and some simple shadow trays may be a solution. Same with cameras and lenses.

Gregor
 

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Gridfinity is a grid-based organization system. IIRC it's based on a 42mm grid. You put baseplates in your drawer, possibly with spacers to take up any slack. The organizers fit into the baseplates. Since it's well-documented and -supported, there are tons of models available, everything from basic bins to French-fit blocks for measuring equipment. The main advantage in my eyes, especially compared to other grid-based systems, is that the baseplates prevent bins from moving yet allow you to rearrange very easily.
 

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So thanks Matt (Lilscorpion) that is a really impressive 3d printer layout and I thing that would be an ideal way to use some of the back room that we’re not using. Sean, I’m going to look for some Gridfinity solutions to drawer organizations. I need to redo my endmill storage as I now have bought enough specialty endmills that don’t have a home - same with taps.

We also got some TPU filament that I’m curious to try for tiny tool or equipment storage. I hate my bike tools rattling and some simple shadow trays may be a solution. Same with cameras and lenses.

Gregor
Gregor between your and Matt’s threads I’ve spent a fortune on tools! I’ve been resisting the urge to pickup a 3D printer as I know soon as I get one I’ll justify needing a second or third to speed up production. The modularity of Gridfinity is my main justification to pick up a printer, but the idea of using it for outfitting 20+ Vidmar / Lista cabinets is overwhelming and I know once I do get one I’ll want to do the rest. Foam has worked well for me, especially with the bike tools, but with ever changing standards, I’m constantly adding more specialty tools and now needing to build out multiple workstations for when I hire some help the gridfinity will be a nicer long term solution

So I’m following along knowing I’ll be having the same questions in a few months when I do make the planned plunge into that realm.

Am I crazy to get an H2C (kids really want to play with a laser cutter and then a couple cheaper P2S or cheaper H2 series printers for production of gridfinty pieces? Thinking same bed size for all makes sense.

I’m curious with the relatively low price of 3D scanners these days does anyone have a good and effective workflow for scanning more complex tools into a generated gridfinity layout? It would save a ton of time to not have to manually model each tool.

also curious as to why the 42mm grid system of Gridfinity? That number seems arbitrary When Festool / euro cabinets are based on a 32mm system and 42mm doesn’t seem to go cleanly into most commercial tool drawers either.
 

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I have all the same questions as you Grant. I'm sure Matt and others who are somewhere near the bottom of the rabbit hole we're jumping into will have advice. I've done a few hours of Fusion tutorials and I like it so far. Lots to learn.

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25 years ago I was very proficient with Pro-E and Catia then went full time into photography and hadn’t touched a cad program until I started playing around with Fusion 5 years ago for a few projects. Was pretty impressed with its capabilities. Took a bit to get back into using cad and then dropped it again and haven’t touched it since. Seemed like then and again now Fusion is the way to go. Just need to dedicate enough time to it to get as fluent with it as I am with photo software. That being said what I hated most about shooting full time was all of the editing ( maybe that’s cause I started with film) so I’m not super keen to spend hours staring at a monitor for the gridfinity project, so hopefully there is a more efficient solution vs modeling everything. Ideally I’d like to figure out a workflow so the gridfinity production can run in the background and the design / layout can be fill in between actual paying shop work. Especially when time always seems to be the commodity I’m lacking.
 
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