Ohio Andy
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Promise if I hold one I treat it like a fidget spinner.... That said, I purchased many of those given away you a fewHere's my Titan. I also have the 1/4" square drive.
Battle of the Bit Ratchets
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Dave455
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The long and the short of it…
Hazet 1/4” and 5/16” bit ratchet’s.
Hazet 1/4” and 5/16” bit ratchet’s.
Dave455
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I’m wearing mine now…!Don't forget the jacket.
KnurledNut
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Vega makes some nice ones.
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four.cycle
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I had to go up to O'Reilly's the other day to pick up a part. The store manager saw me come in and ran out to his car to grab his new acquisition to show me.
These guys did their homework. This set-up looked pretty slick:
fanttik.com
The company offers a variety of different "bit kits".
The bits in this particular kit are much longer than those in the little "Tekton" kit I bought a few weeks ago for a buddy.
Awaiting response from company regarding COO.
edit 12:53 PDT:
found a copy of the owners manual for their "NEX S2 PRO" model - COO appears to be China (PRC)
(image below)
These guys did their homework. This set-up looked pretty slick:
Fanttik E1 MAX Precision Electric Screwdriver
Upgrade your DIY projects with the E1 MAX Precision Electric Screwdriver from Fanttik. Shop now for 50 magnetic bits and effortless jobs.
fanttik.com
The company offers a variety of different "bit kits".
The bits in this particular kit are much longer than those in the little "Tekton" kit I bought a few weeks ago for a buddy.
Awaiting response from company regarding COO.
edit 12:53 PDT:
found a copy of the owners manual for their "NEX S2 PRO" model - COO appears to be China (PRC)
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Ohio Andy
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I have seen this set and it looks interesting. My biggest concern is that it looks like the bits have a 5/32" hex shank (3.96875mm). I own the iFixit kit so I have drivers that will work with it. I think that the new Tekton bits are also 4mm.I had to go up to O'Reilly's the other day to pick up a part. The store manager saw me come in and ran out to his car to grab his new acquisition to show me.
These guys did their homework. This set-up looked pretty slick:
Fanttik E1 MAX Precision Electric Screwdriver
Upgrade your DIY projects with the E1 MAX Precision Electric Screwdriver from Fanttik. Shop now for 50 magnetic bits and effortless jobs.
The company offers a variety of different "bit kits".
The bits in this particular kit are much longer than those in the little "Tekton" kit I bought a few weeks ago for a buddy.
Awaiting response from company regarding COO.
edit 12:53 PDT:
found a copy of the owners manual for their "NEX S2 PRO" model - COO appears to be China (PRC)
(image below)
This might allow me to use those bits in a standard 1/4" driver:
Amazon.com: Sys 4 Micro Bit Adapter 4mm to 1/4" 25mm : Tools & Home Improvement
Amazon.com: Sys 4 Micro Bit Adapter 4mm to 1/4" 25mm : Tools & Home Improvement
www.amazon.com
If you get one, be sure to post how you like it!
Wiha makes two of these. The 75803 and the 75802. I would not recommend the 75803, it is not magnetic and only has a wire inside providing the bit holding and it is pretty weak. I think the 75802 is magnetic.
I do use the Wiha with the Texton 4mm bits and it works great.
four.cycle
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@Ohio Andy
^ I think they were 4mm. Tiny things. I'll shoot a note to the vendor and see if I can get an answer.
I'm hoping somebody from the company will just LOG IN to answer questions.
^ I think they were 4mm. Tiny things. I'll shoot a note to the vendor and see if I can get an answer.
I'm hoping somebody from the company will just LOG IN to answer questions.
four.cycle
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RE: "Fanttik" bit driver and bits (see post #286)
bits are 4mm hex
product is manufactured in China (PRC)
bits are 4mm hex
product is manufactured in China (PRC)
Dave455
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Most of the good quality 4mm bits seem to be of European or Japanese origin.
Unfortunately, although bits may be smaller, that doesn’t mean they are much cheaper to make. At least not to a reasonable standard. Consequently, good 4mm bits are pricey.
My favourite are undoubtedly the Facom Micro Tech series.
Unfortunately, although bits may be smaller, that doesn’t mean they are much cheaper to make. At least not to a reasonable standard. Consequently, good 4mm bits are pricey.
My favourite are undoubtedly the Facom Micro Tech series.
four.cycle
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^ I would not argue that point with you, but considering that these tools are designed to turn teeny-tiny screws, how much torque are we talking about here?
I would think one would reach that proverbial "point of diminishing returns" on something like this.
Nobody is going to be cranking down head bolts with 4mm bits.
The thing about that "Fanttik" set-up above that impressed me was the design of the case - it's a revolving, magnetic affair that holds the bits securely, but doesn't require the user to pry them out. The bits are longer as well - an issue we just ran into here when we discovered the "Tekton" bit wouldn't reach down into the hole to engage the screw.
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I find the Apex and Chapman USA made bits to be good too. Kind of hard to find bad bits these days, but it is possible I guess. S2 and pretty much all alloys are available world wide. No hand work making bits, just good equipment, which mainland China has in abundance. Just my take on it.
four.cycle
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^ It looks to me like every tool maker on the planet is jumping into the "bit" game, all trying to come up with the magic "one size fits all" solution, which I honestly do not believe exists.
We all know that next year some ******* is going to invent a fastener with a different head, for which we will all have to buy MORE tools to work on - it just seems to be the way of it.
We all know that next year some ******* is going to invent a fastener with a different head, for which we will all have to buy MORE tools to work on - it just seems to be the way of it.
I just got this made in Taiwan set, and the fit seems good. Typical Vessel. $28 on Amazon. Model 9836.
I love this form factor. If this used standard bits, I would be ordering it this second.
Dave455
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I think there’s a bit more to it than transmission of torque.
With these small bits, the accuracy of manufacture becomes quite critical. Think about a 3/8 slotted screwdriver. A few thou here i
or there doesn’t matter, but in a PH00 it could make the difference between a poor fit or no fit.
Ultimately, it depends what you are doing. If you’re removing a cheap self tapper from some plastic toy the quality of the driver isn’t that critical. But if you’re working on some piece of expensive electrical or optical equipment, you want something decent, and there will be a cost.
Much the same with small wrenches. You can get inexpensive stamped ones that will be fine for some applications, but for a lot of things folks here do, you need something better and have to pay the cost!
four.cycle
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^ Oh... understandably one would be wise to invest in a better quality tool if you're working on expensive electronics, but for most DIY stuff I'd think the low-end (if it is in fact "low end" from a metallurgical or engineering standpoint) would suffice.
And I'm pretty picky about screwdrivers - screwdrivers that do not fit properly permanently damage soft brass alloy carburetor jets.
I think @Etchase is correct here:
The only bit I ever have any recurrent problem with is the P2, because that's the one I'm using in a battery-powered driver.
Only other "bit" I had issues with was a T55 - removing the bed bolts on the Ranger. Broke 5 bits removing 6 screws.
But this teeny-tiny stuff - seems like if the FIT is proper, that should be good enough.
And I'm pretty picky about screwdrivers - screwdrivers that do not fit properly permanently damage soft brass alloy carburetor jets.
I think @Etchase is correct here:
The only bit I ever have any recurrent problem with is the P2, because that's the one I'm using in a battery-powered driver.
Only other "bit" I had issues with was a T55 - removing the bed bolts on the Ranger. Broke 5 bits removing 6 screws.
But this teeny-tiny stuff - seems like if the FIT is proper, that should be good enough.
Dave455
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I’m very much the same way. Probably because I’ve spent too much time removing, or trying to remove, screws that have been unnecessarily mullered!
A bit driver and bits are a relatively inexpensive way to get top quality, and once you’ve got the bits you might as well add a bit ratchet.
four.cycle
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^ That's a situation I very rarely encounter here working on rusty lawnmowers in the Pacific Northwest.
We're gettin' out in the weeds here again on this.... I'm watching what various manufacturers are offering, and the different approaches they're taking in respect to "usability" in the field, thinking "worst-case scenario" stuff: on your back, in the dark, in the rain, on a gravel driveway. And that is why that "Fanttik" unit impressed me - ease of finding/removing/replacing bits in the holder. Whether or not the bits or the driver are worth a damn I can't even speculate.
While the "Tekton" kit (post #293) allows the user to remove a strip of one type of bit, what happens when that widget slips out of his hands and falls four feet to the floor? Do the bits stay in? Or do they end up scattered all over the floor? (This was an issue raised by member @bwringer previously, if I'm not mistaken.)
I own one of those "Vessel" bit kits in a plastic holder (below), and I'm always a bit apprehensive when pulling it out because I don't know if that plastic holder will shatter if it hits the garage floor. And I find it kind of a pain in the *** to get the bits and the driver widget out of the holder.
Anybody dropped one of these things?
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Houdini5150
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Love my little harbor freight set. Maybe I will look into another ratchet tho cuz sometimes I feel like I am turning that sucker in a confined space way too much to turn it so very little haha.
Ohio Andy
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The Tekton bits are listed as 28mm long with 11.6mm in the holder and 16.4mm protruding.
The Fanttik bits show as 1.1", which means 28mm long for the standard bits and 1.78" (45mm) for the longer ones.
How many of the Fanttik bits are longer? it looks to me like most are the shorter bits. Please let me know if you know!
Also, it looks like the Vessel bits list as just a wee bit shorter than the Tekton (or was that the same length).
I have not had bits fall out when I have dropped Tekton bit holders. In fact, I just grabbed some 4mm bits in the discontinued (2841) Tekton ® Everybit Precision Tool Kit (27-Piece) and all the bits stayed in placed. I then grabbed some standard 1/4" bits in Tekton holders and they all stayed in place. I don't think that they are going anywhere.
four.cycle
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Oh... no idea! They make a number of different sets.
The one the guy had up at O'Reilly's was a model NEX S2 PRO
The company offers over a dozen different packages containing "bits" and various drive tools.
^ That's a situation I very rarely encounter here working on rusty lawnmowers in the Pacific Northwest.
We're gettin' out in the weeds here again on this.... I'm watching what various manufacturers are offering, and the different approaches they're taking in respect to "usability" in the field, thinking "worst-case scenario" stuff: on your back, in the dark, in the rain, on a gravel driveway. And that is why that "Fanttik" unit impressed me - ease of finding/removing/replacing bits in the holder. Whether or not the bits or the driver are worth a damn I can't even speculate.
While the "Tekton" kit (post #293) allows the user to remove a strip of one type of bit, what happens when that widget slips out of his hands and falls four feet to the floor? Do the bits stay in? Or do they end up scattered all over the floor? (This was an issue raised by member @bwringer previously, if I'm not mistaken.)
I own one of those "Vessel" bit kits in a plastic holder (below), and I'm always a bit apprehensive when pulling it out because I don't know if that plastic holder will shatter if it hits the garage floor. And I find it kind of a pain in the *** to get the bits and the driver widget out of the holder.
Anybody dropped one of these things?
I’ve dropped this set with no issues, but only in the closed configuration. I’m all for experimentation, but I think I’ll wait for the drop test while open test to happen organically.
These are the 4mm to 6.35mm adapters Wiha makes. The smaller one, 75802, is 25mm long and uses a magnet to hold the 4mm bit. The longer one is the 75803 and uses a (pretty weak) retaining ring for holding the bit. I recommend the 75802. The magnet is not PB Swiss strong but not bad.
Ohio Andy
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I grabbed one of my tiny ratcheting bit wrenches and I thought that it was broken because I could not pull the bit from the wrench. I needed to use a ChannelLock wrench to pull the bit. So I decided to take a closer look.
This is a list of what I probably tested (see below). I created the list before I tested so maybe I did not test all of them…
I tested bits to see how they fit and how easy they are to remove. All bits are insert bits unless I indicate that they are “Power Drive” (PD); the type that can lock in with an appropriate adapter.
Recently I was hearing that Vessel bits might hold poorly because they are undersized compared to US 1/4" bits (not that I had noticed anything).
Unless specifically stated, a bit holder cannot hold a Chapman bit and a Chapman holder cannot hold a bit not made by Chapman. Assume a Chapman bit will NOT work unless it says specifically that a Chapman bit will work. If I remember without checking my notes, I think that means like 1 worked with them (that was not Chapman). I talk about Chapman bits earlier in this thread, and I really like their stuff.
I used ChannelLock 426 pliers to remove stuck bits.
*** STANDOUT *** The Titan Tools 11323 and SK11 SRD-290 are very similar in how they function. I might slightly prefer the ratcheting mechanism on the SK, but my Titan Tools is a pretty orange. All the bits work fine in either of these. These are my preferred. Retention is based on a magnet. I would buy these all day long compared to the smaller ratchet wrenches such as the VIM HBR3 or the similar Craftsman CMHT68008; even if they are smaller.
Skip. VIM Tools HBR3 is the reason I decided to do this test. The 3/4"long bit that came with the ratcheting wrench sticks in the ratcheting end and I need to use pliers to remove the bit. Part of the problem is related to the small bit size (length) and bit shape. The 6-sided end is easier to remove bits, but all bits are a bit difficult to insert. I assume this is related to an integrated retention clip. I like the small size of this but many bits are difficult to insert and remove. The three different Vessel bits I tested are easier to use. This retains everything well; difficult to remove. PD bits are generally easier to insert and remove. This does seem to be loosening with use. I would not buy this again because it is so hard to remove bits. Buy the VHC77 instead.
Skip. The similar Craftsman CMHT68008 head is larger. I strongly prefer the ratcheting end over the VIM because bits are easier to insert and remove. The non-ratcheting side is a 12 point wrench and bits push right through. This allows Chapman bits to work on the fixed end, but not the ratcheting side. So, a mixed bag. The ratcheting portion is smoother. A nice set for the price, but, you can only use your bits on the ratcheting end. Zoro listed this as made in the USA but it is currently sourced in Taiwan. I would not buy this again just because I cannot use bits in the fixed end.
Recommended. The VIM Tools VHC77 comes with a wrench that has both a 1/4" and a 5/16" ratcheting end. If you need to get into tight spaces, just buy this set. That said…. Although it is easier to remove bits from the wrench, the bits included in the set are 5/8" long (very very short) and you might want to have something to push the bits out from the back end. Some bits are 1/4" and some are 5/16". There are two magnetic PD bit holders that work as expected (nicely). I would buy this again.
The GEARWRENCH 45 Pc. 1/4" Drive 6 Pt. Standard Slim Head Mechanics Tool Set, Metric – 81032 works well, but insert bits are stubborn to insert. All the Vessel ball bits are easy as are PD bits. I hope this loosens up over time. Although I really like the ratcheting mechanism on this, I am sufficiently unhappy with how it handles insert bits I do not recommend this unless you will only use PD bits or vessel ball bits. Also, the wrenches are a bit large and bulky. I would not buy this again. It works, but, I have too many things I prefer to keep this around I think.
Recommended: Grip Edge MBS132 with a Bit Adapter and drivers should probably not be used with shorter bits. The drivers have a strong magnet that retains bits well. This works well but it takes a effort to insert and remove the bits, but is very usable. All the bits included in this set are 1" long. I need to use pliers to remove short bits (less than 1"). I bought this set because many of the bits have RBC qualities (I don't remember what Grip Edge calls it) and I use them to remove I do not want to damage or get stuck; for example, in knives with Torx T6 screws. If you can afford it, just buy this. The primary drawback is the price.
Recommended: Tekton SHA05402 1/4" bit socket and SHA15402 3/8" bit socket. These allow you to use a 1/4" or 3/8" ratchet to drive bits. Everything works well with these. I love them. If you want (or need) better retention, perhaps you want the Grip Edge version, but for general use, all bits are held by a magnet and allows easy removal and holding of all bits. These are my favorite for use with a regular square drive.
The Craftsman CMMT12004LZ 1/4-in Drive Gimbal Palm Ratchet uses a socket adapter and everything works well. This uses a retention clip, but everything is easy to install and remove. This is nice and usable. I got this cheap and it works. If you want a Gimbal, it is nice.
Yeah, buy it. Pittsburgh 92630 right angle screwdriver. Although I do not like this type of rough driver (it has a rough action). I do like the large plastic wheel on the back side that make it easier to twist by hand. Bits are retained using a ball detente. I was able to easily insert and remove all bits by hand. It is also nice that the plastic wheel can be removed and it then has a 1/4" drive for sockets. All said and done, even though I do not love this, it is worth buying for the crazy low price and it is very usable. Just a huge back-drag and rough ratcheting.
MEH but OK. Tekton 2888 mini ratchet and bit set has all the positive and negative things as the Pittsburgh 92630 but the back-drag is even worse. I also think that this is discontinued, but you can still purchase this from Walmart. I would just buy the Pittsburgh because it is discontinued.
Maybe. DEWALT DWPVTHLD Pivoting Bit Tip Holder with Ring. Although I really like how this can pivot or lock straight on, it holds everything very tightly with the ring. With 1" insert bits it is very difficult to remove bits. Vessel ball bits, however, can be done by hand. I spent time trying to figure out how to remove a Dewalt 1" insertion bit before I simply applied a lot of force using my ChannelLocks. I do not like how difficult it is to remove bits so would only use this if I need a pivoting bit holder. And it will not drop your bit.
*** STANDOUT *** DWALT DWA3HLDFT Bit Holder, 3-in-1, Impact Ready. These are my choice in general for a few reasons. The holder is not overly thick, but still locks bits in place for complete retention. You pull down on the base and it releases the bits, even the shorter bits. I don’t think that this will work with bits shorter than 3/4" and is probably better suited for 1" bits. Also, these are impact rated. Ignoring the length issues, everything works well with these. I generally do not use them if I do not require strong bit retention because I must release them to get them out, but these are my absolute favorite. I have numerous lengths for these. Just buy them. They are also not too long. LOVE these!
The Vessel IBHBM150P1 Impact Ball Torsion Bit Holder works well and is one of the easier retention holder that does not have a quick release.
Meh. The RYOBI IMPACT BIT HOLDERS work fine with more retention than I expected because I did not realize that there is a retention clip. It is pretty loose for a retention holder unit, but it works just fine and is easier than most with a retention clip. Very nice for the price. These are not my first choice but seem to work just fine. I have not stress tested these in any way. I choose the Dewalt version if I want retention. OK for the price, but buy the Dewalt standout versions.
BUY. The ICON RXFT-35 Locking Flex-Head Ratchet and Bit Set, 35-Piece. Everything works with this ratchet including Chapman bits. One of the best. I really like this set, everything about this set. I don’t even know how many I have purchased and gifted. Very nice on every front. Maybe not the best for Chapman bits because they do not seat as far as I would like, but enough for good use. I really like these.
I do not have any qualms with the Ryobi products, but it is always the last thing that I reach for. They work and are cheap.
The Ryobi PSBID01 ONE+ HP 18V Brushless Cordless Compact 1/4 in. Hex Impact Driver works fine for anything that is PD and all Vessel ball drive bits. Don’t bother with insert bits, they are a no go. Easy to insert and remove all PD items.
I like my Milwaukee stuff, and this seems to work even though I think that this is probably the most likely break of all the Milwaukee impact drivers (I think this was discussed on the Torque Test Channel).
The Milwaukee 2953-20 M18 FUEL™ 1/4" Hex Impact Driver is the same as the Ryobi impact driver. Easy to insert and remove all PD items. Love this one.
BUY. The Festool CXS 10.8V (old version) has a quick release similar to a PD does not accept 1/4" bits. I have a 1/4" magnetic holder installed into the quick release mechanism. I used this heavily for years with no problems, but it is not the best for PD bits. For short insert bits they hold very tightly. I mostly use insert bits in this. I really only use this to drive screws and I keep the magnetic 1/4" adapter installed. The newer version is 12V. I have had this a long time and driven a bunch of bits with it. I have abused it beyond what is reasonable and it just keeps working.
All of the magnetic adapters seem to work about the same in that bits just go in and come out but there is no real retention like a clip or ball.
This is a list of what I probably tested (see below). I created the list before I tested so maybe I did not test all of them…
Cost | What | URL |
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$19.00 | Titan Tools 11323 1/4-Inch Drive x 4-Inch 90-Tooth Swivel Head Micro Ratcheting Bit Driver. Buy | |
$30.00 | SK11 SRD-290 Bit Replaceable Swivel Ratchet Screwdriver 90 Thread. Buy | SK11 SRD-290 Bit Replaceable Swivel Ratchet Screwdriver 90 Thread - Amazon.comSK11 SRD-290 Bit Replaceable Swivel Ratchet Screwdriver 90 Thread - Amazon.com
www.amazon.com
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$17.00 | VIM Tools HBR3 Double Ended 1/4" Hex Bit Ratchet. Skip | Amazon.com: VIM Tools HBR3 Double Ended 1/4" Hex Bit Ratchet : Tools & Home ImprovementBuy VIM Tools HBR3 Double Ended 1/4" Hex Bit Ratchet: Socket Wrenches - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
www.amazon.com
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$120.00 | VIM Tools VHC77 '77-Piece' Half Cut Stubby Bit Set, 3.17-ukgja-985. Buy | Amazon.com: VIM Tools VHC77 '77-Piece' Half Cut Stubby Bit Set, 3.17-ukgja-985 : Tools & Home ImprovementBuy VIM Tools VHC77 '77-Piece' Half Cut Stubby Bit Set, 3.17-ukgja-985: Screwdriver Bit Sets - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
www.amazon.com
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$15.00 | CRAFTSMAN Screwdriver Set, Ratcheting Offset, Multi-Bit, 10 Piece (CMHT68008). Skip | CRAFTSMAN Screwdriver Set, Ratcheting Offset, Multi-Bit, 10 Piece (CMHT68008) - Amazon.comCRAFTSMAN Screwdriver Set, Ratcheting Offset, Multi-Bit, 10 Piece (CMHT68008) - Amazon.com
www.amazon.com
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$52.00 | GEARWRENCH 45 Pc. 1/4" Drive 6 Pt. Standard Slim Head Mechanics Tool Set, Metric - 81032. Skip | |
$40.00 | ICON RXFT-35 Locking Flex-Head Ratchet and Bit Set, 35-Piece. BUY. | |
$25.00 | Craftsman CMMT12004LZ 1/4-in Drive Gimbal Palm Ratchet. I like it. | |
$3.30 | Pittsburgh 92630 right angle screwdriver | 
Ratcheting Right Angle Multi-Bit Screwdriver Set, 8 PieceAmazing deals on this 8Pc Right Angle Screwdriver Set at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.
www.harborfreight.com
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$10.00 | Tekton 2888 mini ratchet and bit set | |
$5.00 | Tekton SHA05402 ¼" bit socket. Buy | 
1/4 Inch Drive x 1/4 Inch Magnetic Hex Bit Holder Socket | TEKTON1/4 inch drive to 1/4 inch chrome magnetic hex bit holder socket. Adapts any 1/4 inch hex shank bit to 3/8 inch drive ratchets, drivers, and other drive tools. SHA05402.
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$6.00 | Tekton SHA15402 3/8" bit socket. Buy | 
3/8 Inch Drive x 1/4 Inch Magnetic Hex Bit Holder Socket | TEKTON3/8 inch drive to 1/4 inch chrome magnetic hex bit holder socket. Adapts any 1/4 inch hex shank bit to 3/8 inch drive ratchets, drivers, and other drive tools. SHA15402.
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$12.00 | Vessel IBHBM150P1 Impact Ball Torsion Bit Holder | VESSEL Impact-Ball Torsion Bit Holder 1PC H1/4"X150 (6") IBHBM150P1 - Amazon.comVESSEL Impact-Ball Torsion Bit Holder 1PC H1/4"X150 (6") IBHBM150P1 - Amazon.com
www.amazon.com
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$12.00 | DEWALT DWPVTHLD Pivoting Bit Tip Holder with Ring. Only if you need it. | DEWALT DWPVTHLD Pivoting Bit Tip Holder with Ring, 2 Pack - Tools Products - Amazon.comDEWALT DWPVTHLD Pivoting Bit Tip Holder with Ring, 2 Pack - Tools Products - Amazon.com
www.amazon.com
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$10.00 | DWALT DWA3HLDFT Bit Holder, 3-in-1, Impact Ready. BUY BUY BUY | |
$8.00 | RYOBI 3PC IMPACT BIT HOLDER SET (AR2032). Works. | RYOBI 3PC IMPACT BIT HOLDER SETRYOBI Impact Rated Bit Holders are built to withstand the high torque and demand that comes with the use of an impact driver. These bit holders come in ...
www.ryobitools.com
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$85.00 | Ryobi PSBID01 ONE+ HP 18V Brushless Cordless Compact 1/4 in. Hex Impact Driver. I like it. | |
$180.00 | Milwaukee 2953-20 M18 FUEL™ 1/4" Hex Impact Driver. I like it. | |
$345.00 | Festool CXS 10.8V (old version). My primary user. | Cordless Drill CXS 12 2,5-Plus
www.festoolusa.com
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I tested bits to see how they fit and how easy they are to remove. All bits are insert bits unless I indicate that they are “Power Drive” (PD); the type that can lock in with an appropriate adapter.
Recently I was hearing that Vessel bits might hold poorly because they are undersized compared to US 1/4" bits (not that I had noticed anything).
Unless specifically stated, a bit holder cannot hold a Chapman bit and a Chapman holder cannot hold a bit not made by Chapman. Assume a Chapman bit will NOT work unless it says specifically that a Chapman bit will work. If I remember without checking my notes, I think that means like 1 worked with them (that was not Chapman). I talk about Chapman bits earlier in this thread, and I really like their stuff.
I used ChannelLock 426 pliers to remove stuck bits.
*** STANDOUT *** The Titan Tools 11323 and SK11 SRD-290 are very similar in how they function. I might slightly prefer the ratcheting mechanism on the SK, but my Titan Tools is a pretty orange. All the bits work fine in either of these. These are my preferred. Retention is based on a magnet. I would buy these all day long compared to the smaller ratchet wrenches such as the VIM HBR3 or the similar Craftsman CMHT68008; even if they are smaller.
Skip. VIM Tools HBR3 is the reason I decided to do this test. The 3/4"long bit that came with the ratcheting wrench sticks in the ratcheting end and I need to use pliers to remove the bit. Part of the problem is related to the small bit size (length) and bit shape. The 6-sided end is easier to remove bits, but all bits are a bit difficult to insert. I assume this is related to an integrated retention clip. I like the small size of this but many bits are difficult to insert and remove. The three different Vessel bits I tested are easier to use. This retains everything well; difficult to remove. PD bits are generally easier to insert and remove. This does seem to be loosening with use. I would not buy this again because it is so hard to remove bits. Buy the VHC77 instead.
Skip. The similar Craftsman CMHT68008 head is larger. I strongly prefer the ratcheting end over the VIM because bits are easier to insert and remove. The non-ratcheting side is a 12 point wrench and bits push right through. This allows Chapman bits to work on the fixed end, but not the ratcheting side. So, a mixed bag. The ratcheting portion is smoother. A nice set for the price, but, you can only use your bits on the ratcheting end. Zoro listed this as made in the USA but it is currently sourced in Taiwan. I would not buy this again just because I cannot use bits in the fixed end.
Recommended. The VIM Tools VHC77 comes with a wrench that has both a 1/4" and a 5/16" ratcheting end. If you need to get into tight spaces, just buy this set. That said…. Although it is easier to remove bits from the wrench, the bits included in the set are 5/8" long (very very short) and you might want to have something to push the bits out from the back end. Some bits are 1/4" and some are 5/16". There are two magnetic PD bit holders that work as expected (nicely). I would buy this again.
The GEARWRENCH 45 Pc. 1/4" Drive 6 Pt. Standard Slim Head Mechanics Tool Set, Metric – 81032 works well, but insert bits are stubborn to insert. All the Vessel ball bits are easy as are PD bits. I hope this loosens up over time. Although I really like the ratcheting mechanism on this, I am sufficiently unhappy with how it handles insert bits I do not recommend this unless you will only use PD bits or vessel ball bits. Also, the wrenches are a bit large and bulky. I would not buy this again. It works, but, I have too many things I prefer to keep this around I think.
Recommended: Grip Edge MBS132 with a Bit Adapter and drivers should probably not be used with shorter bits. The drivers have a strong magnet that retains bits well. This works well but it takes a effort to insert and remove the bits, but is very usable. All the bits included in this set are 1" long. I need to use pliers to remove short bits (less than 1"). I bought this set because many of the bits have RBC qualities (I don't remember what Grip Edge calls it) and I use them to remove I do not want to damage or get stuck; for example, in knives with Torx T6 screws. If you can afford it, just buy this. The primary drawback is the price.
Recommended: Tekton SHA05402 1/4" bit socket and SHA15402 3/8" bit socket. These allow you to use a 1/4" or 3/8" ratchet to drive bits. Everything works well with these. I love them. If you want (or need) better retention, perhaps you want the Grip Edge version, but for general use, all bits are held by a magnet and allows easy removal and holding of all bits. These are my favorite for use with a regular square drive.
The Craftsman CMMT12004LZ 1/4-in Drive Gimbal Palm Ratchet uses a socket adapter and everything works well. This uses a retention clip, but everything is easy to install and remove. This is nice and usable. I got this cheap and it works. If you want a Gimbal, it is nice.
Yeah, buy it. Pittsburgh 92630 right angle screwdriver. Although I do not like this type of rough driver (it has a rough action). I do like the large plastic wheel on the back side that make it easier to twist by hand. Bits are retained using a ball detente. I was able to easily insert and remove all bits by hand. It is also nice that the plastic wheel can be removed and it then has a 1/4" drive for sockets. All said and done, even though I do not love this, it is worth buying for the crazy low price and it is very usable. Just a huge back-drag and rough ratcheting.
MEH but OK. Tekton 2888 mini ratchet and bit set has all the positive and negative things as the Pittsburgh 92630 but the back-drag is even worse. I also think that this is discontinued, but you can still purchase this from Walmart. I would just buy the Pittsburgh because it is discontinued.
Maybe. DEWALT DWPVTHLD Pivoting Bit Tip Holder with Ring. Although I really like how this can pivot or lock straight on, it holds everything very tightly with the ring. With 1" insert bits it is very difficult to remove bits. Vessel ball bits, however, can be done by hand. I spent time trying to figure out how to remove a Dewalt 1" insertion bit before I simply applied a lot of force using my ChannelLocks. I do not like how difficult it is to remove bits so would only use this if I need a pivoting bit holder. And it will not drop your bit.
*** STANDOUT *** DWALT DWA3HLDFT Bit Holder, 3-in-1, Impact Ready. These are my choice in general for a few reasons. The holder is not overly thick, but still locks bits in place for complete retention. You pull down on the base and it releases the bits, even the shorter bits. I don’t think that this will work with bits shorter than 3/4" and is probably better suited for 1" bits. Also, these are impact rated. Ignoring the length issues, everything works well with these. I generally do not use them if I do not require strong bit retention because I must release them to get them out, but these are my absolute favorite. I have numerous lengths for these. Just buy them. They are also not too long. LOVE these!
The Vessel IBHBM150P1 Impact Ball Torsion Bit Holder works well and is one of the easier retention holder that does not have a quick release.
Meh. The RYOBI IMPACT BIT HOLDERS work fine with more retention than I expected because I did not realize that there is a retention clip. It is pretty loose for a retention holder unit, but it works just fine and is easier than most with a retention clip. Very nice for the price. These are not my first choice but seem to work just fine. I have not stress tested these in any way. I choose the Dewalt version if I want retention. OK for the price, but buy the Dewalt standout versions.
BUY. The ICON RXFT-35 Locking Flex-Head Ratchet and Bit Set, 35-Piece. Everything works with this ratchet including Chapman bits. One of the best. I really like this set, everything about this set. I don’t even know how many I have purchased and gifted. Very nice on every front. Maybe not the best for Chapman bits because they do not seat as far as I would like, but enough for good use. I really like these.
I do not have any qualms with the Ryobi products, but it is always the last thing that I reach for. They work and are cheap.
The Ryobi PSBID01 ONE+ HP 18V Brushless Cordless Compact 1/4 in. Hex Impact Driver works fine for anything that is PD and all Vessel ball drive bits. Don’t bother with insert bits, they are a no go. Easy to insert and remove all PD items.
I like my Milwaukee stuff, and this seems to work even though I think that this is probably the most likely break of all the Milwaukee impact drivers (I think this was discussed on the Torque Test Channel).
The Milwaukee 2953-20 M18 FUEL™ 1/4" Hex Impact Driver is the same as the Ryobi impact driver. Easy to insert and remove all PD items. Love this one.
BUY. The Festool CXS 10.8V (old version) has a quick release similar to a PD does not accept 1/4" bits. I have a 1/4" magnetic holder installed into the quick release mechanism. I used this heavily for years with no problems, but it is not the best for PD bits. For short insert bits they hold very tightly. I mostly use insert bits in this. I really only use this to drive screws and I keep the magnetic 1/4" adapter installed. The newer version is 12V. I have had this a long time and driven a bunch of bits with it. I have abused it beyond what is reasonable and it just keeps working.
All of the magnetic adapters seem to work about the same in that bits just go in and come out but there is no real retention like a clip or ball.
KnurledNut
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I know this thread is about bit ratchets, but Chapman bits do work with the double-ended bit tools like Milwaukee and Wiha. They also store in the handle well.
Ohio Andy
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I hadn't given that a thought, but it makes a lot of sense knowing how the Chapman bits are designed. I actually really like their bits.I know this thread is about bit ratchets, but Chapman bits do work with the double-ended bit tools like Milwaukee and Wiha. They also store in the handle well.
Great work and information, @Ohio Andy
This thread has grown to be one of the best in General Tool Discussions for useful info on bit ratchets
This thread has grown to be one of the best in General Tool Discussions for useful info on bit ratchets
Ohio Andy
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Thanks, I've been thinking about doing a post about the bits since I have a rather interesting collection of them....
KnurledNut
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I posted this in the NTA thread recently but figured I'd show it here too since it hasn't been mentioned.
The stubby Titan roto now comes in a version with a magnetic hex in the handle.
It's also more of a shiny chrome than the satin chrome found on the regular stubby.
The stubby Titan roto now comes in a version with a magnetic hex in the handle.
It's also more of a shiny chrome than the satin chrome found on the regular stubby.
Ohio Andy
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I LOVE these stubby little Titan bit ratchets. I have purchased two of the one you list above and 8 of the type without the hex in the base. The problem is that I keep giving them away!I posted this in the NTA thread recently but figured I'd show it here too since it hasn't been mentioned.
The stubby Titan roto now comes in a version with a magnetic hex in the handle.
It's also more of a shiny chrome than the satin chrome found on the regular stubby.
Pricing is really odd on this and it bounces all over the place.
Today I can buy the 11220, a black one that is a 1/4" ratchet for sockets for $26.34. I have never seen it that high. The silver bit ratchet 11331 is $16 and both together is $21.33 (so you buy that one if you want the ratchet and the bit socket.
The 11340 is listing for $16.12.
The longer handled one is about $20 right now. here is the blue one
The orange is only $17.
I like both the short and the long. I have the short version in all of my cars. It is very small and fits into my Tekton 1/4" socket set.
If you want to see something really strange, they have a 12103, which has BOTH a 1/4 and 3/8 ratchet. It is only $15. Oddly, this has 60 tooth and those others are 90 tooth.
Duratech sells a stubby bit on one side and socket on the other for $10. Never tried it. I have seen this on the Pittsburgh 92630 right angle screwdriver.
Almost unrelated, if you are looking for a really nice little ratcheting stubby screwdriver, Miwaukee has an 8-1 that saved my **** last weekend for $20. Part # 48-22-2913 . I needed to apply a bunch of upward force into the screw to get it out and the space was very narrow with limited visibility. The screws were slotted and after you got on it you really did not want to pull the driver off. This little screw driver can use the extension or just drop the bit into the handle. I could not use the extension because there was no room. After I got the screws out, I purchased new screws that were NOT slotted and those went back in much easier. Just buy one of these.
Milwaukee Hex Shank 8-in-1 Ratcheting Compact Multi-Bit Screwdriver 5.43 in. 1 pc Mfr# 48-22-2913 - Ace Hardware
The Milwaukee 8-in-1 Compact Ratcheting Multi-Bit Screwdriver is the most versatile multi-bit screwdriver. This multi-bit driver features easy-access in-handle storage, which keeps bits organized and allows you to quickly change bit sizes and types. The durable, all-metal ratchet allows for...
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Comes with PH1, PH2, SL 1/4, SL 3/16, Square #1, Square #2, T15, and a nut driver
Confession time. I Very strongly dislike Wera screwdriver handles. Well, I LOVE their micro-screwdrivers and I own a few sets of them, but the full size handles. That said, I bought a Wera from DRPD. It is more than an inch shorter than the Milwaukee, it is ratcheting, it it works.
Comes with a PH1, PH2, Square #1, Square #2, SL 5.5, and SL 6.5.
This thing changes direction very nicely. Has very insanely low back-drag. I actually like this.
CONS: Well, the price. This is $55. It is small enough that if you do not need something this small, the Milwaukee might feel better in your hand just because the handle is larger. I find it difficult to pull up the back of the handle where the bits are stored. But, if you really need to get in there or need really low back-drag, this is a winner.
Wera Kraftform Kompakt Stubby Ratcheting Bit Screwdriver w/ Bit Magazine, Magnetic, Slotted, Phillips & Robertson (KK Stubby Magazin RA 4)
Wera Kraftform Kompakt Stubby Ratcheting Bit Screwdriver w/ Bit Magazine, Magnetic, Slotted, Phillips & Robertson (KK Stubby Magazin RA 4)
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The Wera might be ever so slightly larger (maybe) than the PB SwissGrip insider Bit Driver Stubby. For example:
PB Swiss SwissGrip Insider Bit Driver, Stubby, w/ 6 Bits (PB 8453.V01)
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I own three versions of this. I own the one without the V01, the one linked above, and the ratcheting version. Obviously the ratcheting version is much longer.
Frankly, I purchased the small stubby versions to store in bit sets when I wanted minimal space. All three of these will fit in a Japanese T-190 case when it is otherwise mostly full of bits; for example,
toyo steel tool box T-190 MG (MILITARY GREEN) H7.99×W4.29×D2.20inch Steel Trunk For Pegs, Metal fittings, Pen, Accessory, And Utility Knife Made In Japan - Amazon.com
toyo steel tool box T-190 MG (MILITARY GREEN) H7.99×W4.29×D2.20inch Steel Trunk For Pegs, Metal fittings, Pen, Accessory, And Utility Knife Made In Japan - Amazon.com
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or the more affordable
And I should probably stop rambling now.
KnurledNut
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I never got the first stubby version.
I have converted mine to 1/4 square drive.
four.cycle
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I went up to OReilly's yesterday to pick up some stuff for the Ranger, and found two new players have jumped onto the "bit ratchet" bandwagon with new items:
"PowerTorque" brand (manufactured in Taiwan for OReillys Auto Parts) GM4325 32-piece 1/4" hex drive bit ratchet and bit set $23.99
HERE is a pretty good 10-minute YouTube review of the kit and the ratchet
I have some reservations about the box, which didn't appear to me as all that durable. (see below) You will find on the OReillys page for that item under "Questions and Answers" my question regarding the hinge and the box, which is as of yet unanswered.
The other item they had with appears to be new was an Ultra Steel brand (manufactured in Taiwan for OReillys) TS0952TA 1/4" square drive and 1/4" hex drive bit ratchet $9.49
Website says 36-tooth mechanism.
I have two of these ordered and will probably pick them up later today and give one to my buddy, who is going to be working on a Ford Ranger here in the near future. I figure for the price it's worth giving it a shot.
(* I did not buy the 32-piece kit - I only took pictures yesterday. The box doesn't look all that durable, and I have to agree with "Catus" regarding the assortment of bits included in the kit - why all the P2 and PZ bits? Seems a bit out of kilter in that respect. I'll pick up the ratchets later today. BK )
"PowerTorque" brand (manufactured in Taiwan for OReillys Auto Parts) GM4325 32-piece 1/4" hex drive bit ratchet and bit set $23.99
HERE is a pretty good 10-minute YouTube review of the kit and the ratchet
I have some reservations about the box, which didn't appear to me as all that durable. (see below) You will find on the OReillys page for that item under "Questions and Answers" my question regarding the hinge and the box, which is as of yet unanswered.
The other item they had with appears to be new was an Ultra Steel brand (manufactured in Taiwan for OReillys) TS0952TA 1/4" square drive and 1/4" hex drive bit ratchet $9.49
Website says 36-tooth mechanism.
I have two of these ordered and will probably pick them up later today and give one to my buddy, who is going to be working on a Ford Ranger here in the near future. I figure for the price it's worth giving it a shot.
(* I did not buy the 32-piece kit - I only took pictures yesterday. The box doesn't look all that durable, and I have to agree with "Catus" regarding the assortment of bits included in the kit - why all the P2 and PZ bits? Seems a bit out of kilter in that respect. I'll pick up the ratchets later today. BK )
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Ultra Steel TS0952TA 1/4" drive Mini Ratchet & Bit Driver
Manufactured in Taiwan for "Test Rite Products Corp., Ontario, California"
$9.49 + tax at O'Reilly's Auto Parts.
36-tooth mechanism with reversible action. Fairly smooth action.
This is obviously not going to be the lowest profile model available, as they've made the error of putting both the bit driver and the 1/4" square drive anvil at the same end of the tool.
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Performance Tool W2962 3-piece drive adapter set
Manufactured in Taiwan for Wilmar LLC, Kent, Washington
$8.99 + tax at O'Reilly's Auto Parts
This looked interesting. Not sure when and where it will actually get used, but for the price point I figured it was worth the experiment.
The magnets in the socket ends are pretty aggressive.
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follow-up post on that GM4325 Power Torque 32-piece bit and ratchet set (post #314):
Has anyone who owns one of those little ICON kits dropped the thing when it's fully loaded and closed?
(I know the Kobalt kit will bounce, but I only dropped it from waist height.)
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Has anyone who owns one of those little ICON kits dropped the thing when it's fully loaded and closed?
(I know the Kobalt kit will bounce, but I only dropped it from waist height.)
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I will try the bounce test for you today.
The Icon bit ratchet kit is a must own tool and within the top 5 most used tools that I own.
I prefer it now to the Facom / USAG equivalent, and it is a fraction of the cost. I believe all are made in the same facility in Taiwan.
four.cycle
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In a real-world scenario, I can see a guy easily pushing that little thing off the edge of a fender and onto the concrete floor 40 inches below. Question is: will the box withstand the impact? Or shatter in a million pieces, scattering bits, ratchets, and tiny screws all over the driveway/lawn/shop/under the car?
If the case in which the kit is contained cannot withstand the impact from being dropped from waist height, one may as well just have all those little pieces in a cereal bowl. Is not the entire point of the thing to have a compact portable kit? One intended to be used away from a safe, cozy "shop" environment?
I think some of the manufacturers are simply not doing their homework.
You are one of the best members and most helpful on GJ, so I wanted to take a moment to gather my thoughts, as what you have thought about also crossed my mind.
1) Dropped off a work bench onto a concrete floor, the Icon bit ratchet box survived the drop. However, it did jostle the contents around inside the storage container.
2) Out of ALL of the major tool brands, Facom / USAG / (and most recently, Icon) make the best hard use containers in my opinion. The Tone bit ratchet is in a steel box. The Sunex bit ratchet is in an aluminum box with a plexiglass window. I think polymer is the right material choice for an expeditionary / portable storage box. Especially with risk of being subject to various liquids and solids (oil spills, snow, water from puddles, etc)
3) NONE of the tool brands spend enough time and money on designing quality packaging. One of the worst offenders in my opinion? Snap-On! Their blow molded packaging and vinyl or nylon carry cases are some of the lowest quality around, despite the tools being good quality (in most cases). Talk about cheap!
4) I think the manufacturers have to hit price targets, so packaging comes at the end of the list in terms of importance. Facom / USAG and the NANO series (which has been available for over a decade) was the first step I recall of a tool manufacturer thinking of real world working conditions and designing a tool solution to address this. Bravo. This is typical of French engineering, which prioritizes ‘human interface with product’ much more than the other Europeans and the Americans.
5) I agree with you, room for improvement is indeed possible and necessary. But at what cost to the consumer?